Pats finish 7-9 for the first time in franchise history

[yukon cornelius]

swap brady & cam this season - 2 more wins for pats, maybe 2 less for TB......tops

 

[RIpats88]

Is that all? A QB and receivers. Those minor things.

Most teams have NFL quality receivers some find NFL quality receivers every year(see the steelers). It's not THAT out of the ordinary. Just because we aren't used to it and have stiffs like Harry and Gunner.

But if you have alex smith this year I think you would have 10 wins.

 

[stinkypete]

Most teams have NFL quality receivers some find NFL quality receivers every year(see the steelers). It's not THAT out of the ordinary. Just because we aren't used to it and have stiffs like Harry and Gunner.

But if you have alex smith this year I think you would have 10 wins.

Look back at some of the closer, early season games. If you have Hightower and a functional NT you might get to 10 wins.

It doesn't take much.

 

[RIpats88]

Look back at some of the closer, early season games. If you have Hightower and a functional NT you might get to 10 wins.

It doesn't take much.

bills, Seahawks and denver could've had different outcomes that would've gotten us 10 wins. Even KC was close if hoyer didn't cr@p himself.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

All thats left is 3-13 4-12 and 15-1. Hopefully the last one happens first.

Look at all the other teams who have gone 3-13 and 4-12.

The Patriots never have.

And the media keeps blabbing that pre-Brady Pats were 'laughingstock' etc.

Bull Sh*t.

 

[Ring 6]

Debunking the false narrative that the team was ever a "laughingstock".

Plenty of 7-9 seasons for the other franchises.

Plenty of worse than 7-9 though.

 

[crawhammer]

But if you have alex smith this year I think you would have 10 wins.

Have you seen Alex Smith lately? He sucks.

Look at all the other teams who have gone 3-13 and 4-12.

The Patriots never have.

And the media keeps blabbing that pre-Brady Pats were 'laughingstock' etc.

Bull Sh*t.

Are you familiar with the Patriots history? They have had plenty of 4 or less win seasons. In fact they were more bad than good until Brady dropped into their lap.

bills, Seahawks and denver could've had different outcomes that would've gotten us 10 wins. Even KC was close if hoyer didn't cr@p himself.

The Patriots didn't deserve to win any of those matchups. Their quarterback play was hideous in all of those games aside from at Seattle. And even by the end of that one, Cam overshot Edelman on an easy touchdown throw before getting blown up on a feeble attempt from the 1-yard line.

 

[Ring 6]

The Bucs haven't made the postseason since 2002; they only got there this season because of Brady. Plus Brady proved he could do something that Belichick failed miserably at... winning without the other year one. Brady also got to play for a head coach who treated him like an elite quarterback again. So yes, I think it's likely he considers this one of his better seasons.

Not even close

 

[Uptown]

 

[jmt57]

Why can't you just admit Brady is the main single reason why Tampa Bay ended a 13-year playoff draught?

I live in the Tampa area and see plenty of Bucs football each and every year.

They had a long series of really bad drafts, starting right after they won the Super Bowl (due partly to having to trade away draft picks to get Gruden). They would occasionally hit on one player here or there (like Gerald McCoy or Davin Joseph), but overall the drafts - especially considering how early the Bucs were picking - were well below average. The drafts over the last four years have been much better, and it shows.

On top of that they used two first round picks on QBs (Josh Freeman, Jameis Winston) that were not worthy of being NFL starters, but let them continue to start for four or five years each.

Last year the Buc defense began poorly, but really started to gel in the second half of the season. You could see they turned the corner, and the offense was already in place (they were in the top three or four in both points and yards). The pieces were already there, thanks to finally having some good drafts (with the exception of that stupid 2nd round pick on a kicker a few years ago).

Does Tom Brady help the Bucs? Of course! But any one of about twenty NFL QBs would have got Tampa Bay to the playoffs.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Plenty of worse than 7-9 though.

'Plenty'...No, unless you mean plenty less than most other teams.

 

[Simpelton]

Why can't you just admit Brady is the main single reason why Tampa Bay ended a 13-year playoff draught?

I should hope so, with the best quarterback in history leading a loaded offense.

He woud not have been as successful for the Patriots. Offensively and defensively this team was in transition before this year started. We've shed a lot of taent on both sides of the ball and we were bandying around the term "bridge year" before the CovID nonsense started.

With Brady we're probably a 9win team and probably facing some rebuilding years, hard to blame a guy who's used to being the best for opting out of that to lead a team hungry for championships

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Have you seen Alex Smith lately? He sucks.


Are you familiar with the Patriots history? They have had plenty of 4 or less win seasons. In fact they were more bad than good until Brady dropped into their lap.


The Patriots didn't deserve to win any of those matchups. Their quarterback play was hideous in all of those games aside from at Seattle. And even by the end of that one, Cam overshot Edelman on an easy touchdown throw before getting blown up on a feeble attempt from the 1-yard line.

4 or less win seasons:

Patriots: 10

49ers: 13
Colts: 14
Raiders: 11
Cowboys: 6
Steelers: 17
Packers: 18
Dolphins: 5
Chargers: 10
Giants: 18
Jets: 15
Broncos: 10
Bills: 14
Eagles: 26
Falcons: 16
Saints: 14
Chiefs: 9
Lions: 24
Browns: 14
Rams: 20
Seahawks: 5
Jaguars: 6
Titans: 14
Football Team: 17
Ravens: 1
Vikings: 6
Bengals: 17
Bears: 13
Cardinals: 35 (!)

 

[Ochmed Jones]

4 or less win seasons:

Patriots: 10

49ers: 13
Colts: 14
Raiders: 11
Cowboys: 6
Steelers: 17
Packers: 18

anybody remember the legendary seasons under the leadership of guys like ron airhead or ****-head McPherson?

a 7 and 9 season with this roster is still amazing!!!!

 

[jmt57]

Debunking the false narrative that the team was ever a "laughingstock".

Plenty of 7-9 seasons for the other franchises.

Billy Sullivan's lack of deep pockets and the Michael Jackson tour fiasco did make him a laughingstock. (Unfortunately some in turn pointed their finger at the team, rather than the owner). The big thing with the Pats was their stadium situation (thank you Boston politicians), and the bad timing of the Pats being down at the same time of the merger. The team itself though was somehow competitive, in spite of bad ownership.

Plenty of worse than 7-9 though.

'Plenty'...No, unless you mean plenty less than most other teams.

Are you familiar with the Patriots history? They have had plenty of 4 or less win seasons. In fact they were more bad than good until Brady dropped into their lap.

The whole "Pats always sucked pre-Brady" narrative is far more opinion than factual, most commonly used by fans of other teams in an attempt to downgrade the 20th century success of the franchise.

APF did a nice job debunking that theory about 4-win teams above, but I am going to add some more facts and stats, (not opinions).

1960-1980: 10 winning seasons, 10 losing seasons
1981-2000: 10 winning seasons, 8 losing seasons

Is that anything to be proud about?
No, of course not.

In reality it's just slightly more good than bad.
It's about as average as a franchise can be.
There are 15 franchises that have lost more games than they have won.
Want to see a team that was always bad? Check out the first 40 years of the Steelers.
Or check out the history of the Jets, Cardinals, Bengals, Falcons, Jaguars, Lions, Texans, Saints or Bills.

 

[crawhammer]

Does Tom Brady help the Bucs? Of course! But any one of about twenty NFL QBs would have got Tampa Bay to the playoffs.

Brady is the GOAT. If you can't acknowledge that by now, it's a non-starter for a genuine conversation.

That's one. Two, you have to admit he's still playing elite football. He's not in decline. He's playing nearly at his optimum level. Which is astounding enough at age 43. Plus new team and all that in the COVID era.

Three, he's a top 5 quarterback in the league right now, at worst top 10.

My point, you put all that together, there is no way you can realistically claim 20 other quarterbacks in the league would have gotten Tampa Bay in into the playoffs.

I'd like to see that list. If got to 20 then there would be about 15 too many.

 

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Looked it up because I didn’t remember any 7-9 seasons and I was right, this was their first. Weird stat.

Treadmill virgins???

 

[jmt57]

Brady is the GOAT. If you can't acknowledge that by now, it's a non-starter for a genuine conversation.

That's one. Two, you have to admit he's still playing elite football. He's not in decline. He's playing nearly at his optimum level. Which is astounding enough at age 43. Plus new team and all that in the COVID era.

Three, he's a top 5 quarterback in the league right now, at worst top 10.

My point, you put all that together, there is no way you can realistically claim 20 other quarterbacks in the league would have gotten Tampa Bay in into the playoffs.

I'd like to see that list. If got to 20 then there would be about 15 too many.

The first three points are completely irrelevant to your fourth point (the only one my comment was in response to).
Those are others are red herrings to your hyperbole about Tom and the Bucs.

And by the way, congratulations on hijacking yet another thread.
To be honest you are really skating on thin ice on that regard. Don't be surprised if you find yourself limited to being able to post only in the Tom Brady Forum if you keep it up. Wouldn't you be happier spending your time on PewterReport.com? I have to question the motivation of someone with so much pent up animosity towards the Patriots would bother to join this forum - just two weeks ago.


As for quarterbacks that would have made the playoffs with the Bucs this year? Here you go:
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Russell Wilson
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Deshaun Watson
Philip Rivers
Ryan Tannehill
Baker Mayfield
Matthew Stafford
Justin Herbert
Derek Carr
Matt Ryan
Kirk Cousins
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Mitch Trubisky

 

[TinhWoodhead]

0-16 also...though there's a number of people here that are hoping that one comes first. You know, first pick and all...

the jets has that 0-16 copyrighted

 

[crawhammer]

The first three points are completely irrelevant to your fourth point (the only one my comment was in response to).
Those are others are red herrings to your hyperbole about Tom and the Bucs.

And by the way, congratulations on hijacking yet another thread.
To be honest you are really skating on thin ice on that regard. Don't be surprised if you find yourself limited to being able to post only in the Tom Brady Forum if you keep it up. Wouldn't you be happier spending your time on PewterReport.com? I have to question the motivation of someone with so much pent up animosity towards the Patriots would bother to join this forum - just two weeks ago.


As for quarterbacks that would have made the playoffs with the Bucs this year? Here you go:
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Russell Wilson
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Deshaun Watson
Philip Rivers
Ryan Tannehill
Baker Mayfield
Matthew Stafford
Justin Herbert
Derek Carr
Matt Ryan
Kirk Cousins
Lamar Jackson
Joe Burrow
Kyler Murray
Jared Goff
Mitch Trubisky

I don't have "pent up animosity towards the Patriots." Just Belichick. I mean, who wouldn't... by my count he cost the team possibly as many as 3 Super Bowls (40, 50 & 52). Not a new member either... just an occasional visitor who has something to say at the moment.

Skipping right to that list...

Mitch Trubisky - no way
Jared Goff - he's ruining a perfectly good team in LA already
Kyler Murray - it's a travesty he's a pro bowler over Brady
Joe Burrow - rookie... don't think so
Lamar Jackson - sneaky overrated and not really clutch
Kirk Cousins - not a winner
Matt Ryan - see above
Derek Carr - defines mediocre
Justin Herbert - rookie, looks good so far, but has a lot to prove before I'm willing to say he can replicate Brady
Matthew Stafford - see above four spaces x2
Baker Mayfield - most likely quarterback to implode wild card weekend
Ryan Tannehill - only if Henry comes with
Philip Rivers - career underachiever
Ben Roethlisberger - Brady wannabe
Drew Brees - hanging onto his career by a thread... 2-3 years ago maybe
Russell Wilson - underrated choker... never received due criticism for drilling that pass into Butler's chest
Josh Allen - Cam Newton had a great season once... ONCE. Let's see what JA brings long term.

I'll concede Rodgers, Mahomes and Watson.