Patriots Daily News Thread Patriots Tuesday 12/19/23

[Scotty]

Has Wilson got a new lease of life , I thought he had gone off the boil until recently. Might be worth keeping for next year.

 

[Ian]

Patriots at #28...

 

[mgteich]

The Chiefs were pressuring from the very start of the game. It was obvious. They were sending 6 at him. This is what contributed to the great passing. And the offensive line did a great job. Second half, KC backed off the line. No more open WRs

The injuries hurt more than anything.

What does it say when 2 weeks in a row teams are run blitzing you and totally disrespecting your ability to throw downfield? That's a QB issue, not an OL issue

Need a QB and a WR and a LT.

As long as we sign Onwenu, we should be confident in the other 4 positions. Between Strange, Andrews, Andrews, Sow, Mafi & Onwenu, we've invested enough. Could use a later round RT backup as well.

When people say we need OL, they should really just say we need a RT.

Sign our TEs too, I like our TE group. One blocks well and catches occasionally, the other 2 are passing threats.

We need a backup LT, unless you are fine with McDermott, Anderson or Love.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

That game came down to the last possession against a back up.

There’s a reason why we were knocked out in the first round that year against the Jets of all teams, and it wasn’t just the Welker benching. The defense hadn’t been rebuilt yet; the secondary in particular wasn’t up to snuff yet even in DMac’s good year as a CB. It’s amazing that the secondary has been consistently good and sometimes exceptional over the last 10 years, but 08-11 the Pats were much weaker back there.

 

[upstater1]

There’s a reason why we were knocked out in the first round that year against the Jets of all teams, and it wasn’t just the Welker benching. The defense hadn’t been rebuilt yet; the secondary in particular wasn’t up to snuff yet even in DMac’s good year as a CB. It’s amazing that the secondary has been consistently good and sometimes exceptional over the last 10 years, but 08-11 the Pats were much weaker back there.

That was a stealth rebuilding process. People forget the Patriots went 10-6 in 2009 even with Brady. That was the Adalius Thomas blow-up year where we caught Belichick on the sideline telling Brady he just can't get through to some of the players. If you replaced Brady with Mac Jones in 2009, that 10-6 record becomes like last year's 7-10 record, if not much much much worse.

 

[Real fan 02]

There’s a reason why we were knocked out in the first round that year against the Jets of all teams, and it wasn’t just the Welker benching. The defense hadn’t been rebuilt yet; the secondary in particular wasn’t up to snuff yet even in DMac’s good year as a CB. It’s amazing that the secondary has been consistently good and sometimes exceptional over the last 10 years, but 08-11 the Pats were much weaker back there.

Absolutely correct. Jets had it in for us after that 38-3 beatdown so them beating us in the playoffs was the equivalent or the bills beating us in 2021. McCourty was awesome that season even though it was short-lived as in 2011 we were giving up 400 yards passing. 2018 was one of the best seasons for the secondary. I still can't unsee how Braylon edwards pushed 2 guys into the end zone.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Schooler moved ahead to tie J.C. Jackson for the top spot in player penalties with 5 after picking up another on Sunday:

2023 Patriots Penalties: Full Breakdown By Player/Week

2023 New England Patriots Player Penalties.

www.patsfans.com

Five penalties for a ST-only player is ridiculous. Shows complete lack of discipline. One of them was when he socked a player after the play was over.

 

[DaBruinz]

We need a backup LT, unless you are fine with McDermott, Anderson or Love.

We need a STARTING LT because Brown won't be it. Someone is going to sign him for 17-20M for 3 years and it's not gonna be the Pats.

 

[DaBruinz]

Five penalties for a ST-only player is ridiculous. Shows complete lack of discipline. One of them was when he socked a player after the play was over.

A couple of them have been complete fabrications on the Refs part. But the other 3 were lack of discipline.

 

[DaBruinz]

Pats with a bunch of Roster moves today:
JC Jackson to the NFI
Kevin Harris promoted to the 53.
Ke'Shawn Vaughn signed to the PS
William Hooper - CB was re-signed to the PS, leaving them with 3 open spots.

 

[Ross12]

A couple of them have been complete fabrications on the Refs part. But the other 3 were lack of discipline.

It’s almost like he has a “rep” with the refs? He seems to be getting flagged for doing nothing a lot for a guy who is only on the field a few snaps a game.

 

[mgteich]

We need a STARTING LT because Brown won't be it. Someone is going to sign him for 17-20M for 3 years and it's not gonna be the Pats.

STARTING LT- a first round draft choice
RT - Onwenu or top-paid replacement

Yes, I think that we also need a backup LT.

 

[palialka]

When people say we need OL, they should really just say we need a LT.

We need more than just a LT on the OL. The whole left side needs to be upgraded IMHO.

Brown is inconsistent and gets beat off the edge too much.

Strange and Andrews have been getting bulldozed in pass protection all year.

Whoever we have at QB next season is gonna get killed behind these stiffs.

I’m ok with the right side…Onwenu is a good RT and Sow has shown promise at RG. Those 2 can continue to develop together next season.

 

[upstater1]

We need more than just a LT on the OL. The whole left side needs to be upgraded IMHO.

Brown is inconsistent and gets beat off the edge too much.

Strange and Andrews have been getting bulldozed in pass protection all year.

Whoever we have at QB next season is gonna get killed behind these stiffs.

I’m ok with the right side…Onwenu is a good RT and Sow has shown promise at RG. Those 2 can continue to develop together next season.

All year?

The line has been giving our QBs plenty of time since Strange came back. The line actually solidified and they've been providing protection and road grading for the RBs.

Not only that, but a decent QB instantly improves the line.

Look, go watch the 1st half of the Chiefs game. You'll notice 8 in the box, 6 run blitzing. This is why Zappe had so much success throwing. Teams are disrespecting our QBs so badly that they're assaulting our line. A halfway decent QB is going to take huge pressure off the line.

Strange is more than fine; Andrews is getting older, but we've already invested a ton in the interior line. We spent a lot of draft capital and we have Mafi, Andrews and Russey behind them.

We have 6 people in the interior and don't need to invest even more there

 

[archstanton543]

All year?

The line has been giving our QBs plenty of time since Strange came back. The line actually solidified and they've been providing protection and road grading for the RBs.

Not only that, but a decent QB instantly improves the line.

Look, go watch the 1st half of the Chiefs game. You'll notice 8 in the box, 6 run blitzing. This is why Zappe had so much success throwing. Teams are disrespecting our QBs so badly that they're assaulting our line. A halfway decent QB is going to take huge pressure off the line.

Strange is more than fine; Andrews is getting older, but we've already invested a ton in the interior line. We spent a lot of draft capital and we have Mafi, Andrews and Russey behind them.

We have 6 people in the interior and don't need to invest even more there

That's not true. They've stabilized somewhat in pass protection. They're not complete dogshit like they were. They're slightly above that. Still bad, though.

They have improved in run blocking.

 

[palialka]

All year?

The line has been giving our QBs plenty of time since Strange came back. The line actually solidified and they've been providing protection and road grading for the RBs.

Not only that, but a decent QB instantly improves the line.

Look, go watch the 1st half of the Chiefs game. You'll notice 8 in the box, 6 run blitzing. This is why Zappe had so much success throwing. Teams are disrespecting our QBs so badly that they're assaulting our line. A halfway decent QB is going to take huge pressure off the line.

Strange is more than fine; Andrews is getting older, but we've already invested a ton in the interior line. We spent a lot of draft capital and we have Mafi, Andrews and Russey behind them.

We have 6 people in the interior and don't need to invest even more there

All year?

The line has been giving our QBs plenty of time since Strange came back. The line actually solidified and they've been providing protection and road grading for the RBs.

Not only that, but a decent QB instantly improves the line.

Look, go watch the 1st half of the Chiefs game. You'll notice 8 in the box, 6 run blitzing. This is why Zappe had so much success throwing. Teams are disrespecting our QBs so badly that they're assaulting our line. A halfway decent QB is going to take huge pressure off the line.

Strange is more than fine; Andrews is getting older, but we've already invested a ton in the interior line. We spent a lot of draft capital and we have Mafi, Andrews and Russey behind them.

We have 6 people in the interior and don't need to invest even more there

You can look through the homer lens and sugar coat it if you want. That’s fine, we do that a lot as fans.

But the truth is…this offensive line is not good, particularly the left side. Their run blocking is passable, nothing special. They’re not getting a lot of push but it’s not horrible.

The pass protection is the main issue. Brown/ McDermott get beat off the edge regularly and Strange/Andrews get driven back into the QB on just about every pass play. Now I know our QBs suck so they definitely don’t help the OL, but that doesn’t excuse the OL’s performance.

If we begin next season with a new QB and still have Brown/McDermott, Strange and Andrews on the left side, then that QB is in trouble and the Pats have failed as an organization.

 

[upstater1]

You can look through the homer lens and sugar coat it if you want. That’s fine, we do that a lot as fans.

But the truth is…this offensive line is not good, particularly the left side. Their run blocking is passable, nothing special. They’re not getting a lot of push but it’s not horrible.

The pass protection is the main issue. Brown/ McDermott get beat off the edge regularly and Strange/Andrews get driven back into the QB on just about every pass play. Now I know our QBs suck so they definitely don’t help the OL, but that doesn’t excuse the OL’s performance.

If we begin next season with a new QB and still have Brown/McDermott, Strange and Andrews on the left side, then that QB is in trouble and the Pats have failed as an organization.

I said we need an LT. That's the position Trent Brown plays.

You underestimate the impact of a competent QB on the OL.

 

[captain stone]

It's a ****ing disgrace that this ****ing incompetent ****ing clown is still employed by the NEP.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

There's a report the kicking balls were under-inflated in the first half when both kickers missed.

 

[Vindicate]

There’s a reason why we were knocked out in the first round that year against the Jets of all teams, and it wasn’t just the Welker benching. The defense hadn’t been rebuilt yet; the secondary in particular wasn’t up to snuff yet even in DMac’s good year as a CB. It’s amazing that the secondary has been consistently good and sometimes exceptional over the last 10 years, but 08-11 the Pats were much weaker back there.

That secondary gave me PTSD. They were horrible.