Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[Clonamery]

No one disagrees with the basic premise that Maye will not fully develop without playing time that is the final step in his development plan. Like most people on this board I want Maye to earn the job and start before the season is over. There is no need to rush the process.

If Maye were to catch the surfing bug by playing around on Hampton Beach and decided that he wanted to become the best surfer in the history of the sport, he would not immediately book a vacation to Nazaré, Portugal home of the the largest, most difficult waves in the world. He would work his way up to develop the necessary skills first. If not, he would get pummeled. The result would damage his confidence and set his progress back tremendously. Facing intense pressure when when he is preoccupied with getting the basics right would be the equivalent of trying to ride a 100 foot wave after mastering the three footers at Hampton. If Maye can't handle Wikiki by the end of the year, there is reason to be on alert that he is behind schedule.

Let us give thanks for a dose of pragmatism.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Your inability to admit wrong takes is ok... we all know... Lynch was ALREADY with organization in a different role.. he them was promoted. Shanny was then hired by Lynch... shanny controls the 53 Lynch controls the 90... Lynch was given an extension in 2020...

John Lynch Named General Manager of the San Francisco 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have formally announced that the team has named John Lynch the 11th General Manager in franchise history.

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The San Francisco 49ers have formally announced that the team has named John Lynch the 11th General Manager in franchise history.

Having spent the last eight seasons as an analyst with FOX, he has honed his skills as a talented communicator while also developing valuable relationships around the league and a vast knowledge of the NFL that will be beneficial to our team.

John Lynch (American football) - Wikipedia

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While Kyle Shanahan was still offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons and considering taking the head coaching position for the San Francisco 49ers, John Lynch contacted Shanahan and asked him to keep him in mind for the general manager position. A short time later, Kyle Shanahan introduced John Lynch to Jed York, and he was then hired as the general manager for the on January 29, 2017.

San Francisco 49ers name John Lynch general manager

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Lynch's deal with the 49ers will be for six years -- the same contract length the 49ers are planning to give Kyle Shanahan when they officially make him their head coach, sources informed of the situation told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.

Shanny got Lynch the FOX analyst the Niners GM job. Shanny (and the Niners) knew that he would officially be their new HC soon, so they let him pick his GM. Period. End of story.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't put words in my mouth. I am arguing it isn't worth spending money to upgrade just to upgrade. The Pats could have spent a lot of money on average at best talent on offense that would have upgrade the offense to make the Patriots a middle of the pack team. It would be a benefit for the short term and a negative for the long term.

We saw this with the Patriots in 2021. The Pats spent a lot of money to upgrade the team. And it gave them a boost that year. But did it help them in the long term?

We shouldn’t spend cap money to upgrade the worst offense in the league?
So you think that making the playoffs is a bad thing? Exactly how would the patriots be better today if instead of bringing in players that led them to the playoffs they just used your strategy and said songbird any money until we can win a Super Bowl?

 

[festy1986]

This season is gonna ****ing suck if I don't even have Drake Maye reps to look forward to.

 

[XLIX]

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes, BB drafted Brady… it’s amazing how you QB fanboys keep trying to omit this fact.

The Chiefs have been incredibly smart since they had to pay Mahomes after his rookie deal. The traded away the best WR in the entire NFL and it resulted in two more rings.

Mahomes also wouldn’t have any rings if Reid didn’t hire Steve Spags to run his defense and built that unit into a monster:

It’s a team game, stop reducing it down to a one person endeavor… that’s dumb.

Yes it is a team game - but it amazing how smart teams become when they have the best player in the League at the most important position in the sport.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes it is a team game - but it amazing how smart teams become when they have the best player in the League at the most important position in the sport.

Tell Marino and Tarkenton… they’re still waiting for their rings.

 

[Rob0729]

We shouldn’t spend cap money to upgrade the worst offense in the league?
So you think that making the playoffs is a bad thing? Exactly how would the patriots be better today if instead of bringing in players that led them to the playoffs they just used your strategy and said songbird any money until we can win a Super Bowl?

I don't think the Patriots should spend money foolishly in the first year of a rebuild.

If the Pats made a huge splash in free agency this year, the likelihood of making the playoffs wouldn't have been much higher than they are now. Why? Because there weren't many impact players in free agency and none in their biggest positions of need.

And the goal is not to make the playoffs. It is to win a championship. I don't want the Patriots to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mike Tomlin has gotten his team that they are a borderline playoff team that usually gets into the playoffs with an early exit every year. That apparently is what you want. I don't. I will take a few bad years to get the Patriots to be in the group of a half dozen teams that have realistic shots of winning the Super Bowl . The only way the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl is if they get really hot in the playoffs for a fluke run. Assuming they get in the playoffs.

Money can be rolled over. Next year's free agent class might be better than this year's. The Pats will be on more year closer to being a contender again. Once they are close, getting those short term older veterans and role players are worth the money.

 

[Real fan 02]

John Lynch Named General Manager of the San Francisco 49ers

The San Francisco 49ers have formally announced that the team has named John Lynch the 11th General Manager in franchise history.

web.archive.org

The San Francisco 49ers have formally announced that the team has named John Lynch the 11th General Manager in franchise history.

Having spent the last eight seasons as an analyst with FOX, he has honed his skills as a talented communicator while also developing valuable relationships around the league and a vast knowledge of the NFL that will be beneficial to our team.

John Lynch (American football) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

While Kyle Shanahan was still offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons and considering taking the head coaching position for the San Francisco 49ers, John Lynch contacted Shanahan and asked him to keep him in mind for the general manager position. A short time later, Kyle Shanahan introduced John Lynch to Jed York, and he was then hired as the general manager for the on January 29, 2017.

San Francisco 49ers name John Lynch general manager

www.nfl.com

Lynch's deal with the 49ers will be for six years -- the same contract length the 49ers are planning to give Kyle Shanahan when they officially make him their head coach, sources informed of the situation told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport.

Shanny got Lynch the FOX analyst the Niners GM job. Shanny (and the Niners) knew that he would officially be their new HC soon, so they let him pick his GM. Period. End of story.

Thank you! If you could provide one for Jeff Saturday as well it would be appreciated!!

 

[sb1]

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes, BB drafted Brady… it’s amazing how you QB fanboys keep trying to omit this fact.

BB was fired after going 29-39 with 1 playoff ass whooping after Brady left. Seems like the QB is quite important to a team's success.

The Chiefs have been incredibly smart since they had to pay Mahomes after his rookie deal. The traded away the best WR in the entire NFL and it resulted in two more rings.

Mahomes also wouldn’t have any rings if Reid didn’t hire Steve Spags to run his defense and built that unit into a monster:

It’s a team game, stop reducing it down to a one person endeavor… that’s dumb.

Pats start the season 0-2 in 2001 and look pathetic doing it... Brady steps in, and they go all the way
Broncos finish 8-8 in 2011 and got their doors blown off in Foxboro in the playoffs... Peyton steps in the next year and then they finish 13-3 and a championship the following year.
Bucs 7-9 in 2019... Brady steps in and they go all the way

I see a pattern here. Except with Mac Jones, when the team loses because the coaching sucks and the defense can't stop a nosebleed it's still all his fault.

 

[Real fan 02]

This season is gonna ****ing suck if I don't even have Drake Maye reps to look forward to.

I don't wish this ... but I think Brissett will go down and Drake will be thrust into action!

 

[Real fan 02]

Lynch was working in television broadcasting, it was in the article I provided to you yesterday. This isn’t a second hand account, it’s Lynch telling the story how he was hired… you’re wrong.

But like most back and forth conversations that go on here one person can’t admit when they’re completely and utterly wrong. Here is Lynch himself telling you you’re wrong.



Shanahan is responsible for hiring Lynch, not the other way around.

Ok. I admit I got that wrong. I swore Lynch was with the organization first. Guess not.

 

[Real fan 02]

I am now down in NC. So I get limited info on the Pats these days, but I have heard good things about Baker. I hear his route running is pretty good too (that was the knock of him coming out of college). I did see several reports post draft that put Baker in the category of steals of the draft. Some of them claimed he could end up having first round talent.

I have an uncle in Raleigh. Good living down in NC. He loves it. He retired in 2004 and relocate to NC. But yes bakers route running abilities, his first step, his head fakes he knows how to use his frame and leverage.. gonzo was raving about him and polk.. he will be able to get deep becuase pop will command teams #1 CB.

 

[Real fan 02]

So did Vinatieri, who had a lower field goal percentage than Ryland as a rookie. The kid has a better leg than Ghost and Adam, he just needs to learn the mental part of the game.

Boy was Gotsowski good for so long.. I think he was such an underrated kicker
We know how important Adam was. If Chad can just get some consistency he will be fine. I know I hear kickers like to get in rhythm by kicking the extra points.

Hopefully we have much more scoring opportunities this season for that to happen.

 

[Ring 6]

No one disagrees with the basic premise that Maye will not fully develop without playing time that is the final step in his development plan. Like most people on this board I want Maye to earn the job and start before the season is over. There is no need to rush the process.

If Maye were to catch the surfing bug by playing around on Hampton Beach and decided that he wanted to become the best surfer in the history of the sport, he would not immediately book a vacation to Nazaré, Portugal home of the the largest, most difficult waves in the world. He would work his way up to develop the necessary skills first. If not, he would get pummeled. The result would damage his confidence and set his progress back tremendously. Facing intense pressure when when he is preoccupied with getting the basics right would be the equivalent of trying to ride a 100 foot wave after mastering the three footers at Hampton. If Maye can't handle Wikiki by the end of the year, there is reason to be on alert that he is behind schedule.

Maye didn’t just decide to be a QB. He shows such skills that the patriots drafted him with a top 5 pick. There is no minor league. You can’t play him
against bad players to warm up.

If you really believe that by playing football and learning on the job he would suffer mental incapacity and be ruined for life, then we kicked the wrong guy.

I am fully aware that if you wait a year to play him he will be a little better than he would be if you played him today. But if you play him today he will be a lot better next year than if you don’t.

If you are invested in winning this year, it may not be best to play him. But this team is clearly not invested in winning this year.
So the number 1 goal of this year should be to get Maye as much progress as humanly possible. Every snap in every game and every rep with the 1s in practice gets him experience and progresses his development.

If you are right and he plays and has difficulty and that causes him to go into a shell and ruins him, then he isn’t the guy and we found out a year sooner.

What you are suggesting is that we drafted a guy whose success will predominately depend on his ability to work under intensely difficult circumstances, face enormous pressure, and make a living overcoming adversity and we should be afraid to expose him to any of that because it could ruin him. If it ruins him today it will ruin him at whatever point you expose him to it.

 

[Real fan 02]

We over-emphasize the importance of taxes when you consider only half the paychecks are taxed by the state.

There's a 3% difference between the Patriots and Pittsburgh x 50% = $480k difference over the whole contract (and of course, you can still subtract local taxes from income, so effectively this is even less of a loss)
There's a 4% difference between the Patriots and Cleveland x 50%
San Francisco is 4% more expensive than the Patriots.

I don't think players are all that concerned about $100k difference per year over 4 years.

And if they are, teams can easily make that up with a $100k bump per year.

It's a non-issue.

Oh I get it. For some it can be a detriment to some players that consider coming here to play that's all.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't think the Patriots should spend money foolishly in the first year of a rebuild.

If the Pats made a huge splash in free agency this year, the likelihood of making the playoffs wouldn't have been much higher than they are now. Why? Because there weren't many impact players in free agency and none in their biggest positions of need.

And the goal is not to make the playoffs. It is to win a championship. I don't want the Patriots to be the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mike Tomlin has gotten his team that they are a borderline playoff team that usually gets into the playoffs with an early exit every year. That apparently is what you want. I don't. I will take a few bad years to get the Patriots to be in the group of a half dozen teams that have realistic shots of winning the Super Bowl . The only way the Steelers are winning the Super Bowl is if they get really hot in the playoffs for a fluke run. Assuming they get in the playoffs.

Money can be rolled over. Next year's free agent class might be better than this year's. The Pats will be on more year closer to being a contender again. Once they are close, getting those short term older veterans and role players are worth the money.

No one said spend money foolishly. Don’t think every other team in the NFL that spends most of their cap is foolish?
I said pay to bring in players That are better than the ines you have.
Look at who the Titans signed and tell me we wouldn’t be a better team if we had all of those players. There were plenty of good players I listed 70 of them earlier

Are you seriously telling me you think the patriots are closer to a sb today than the Steelers? Based upon what?

Why would they spend it next year if they won’t spend it this year? His do you get “close” if you don’t do anything to improve your team? And the draft isn’t ding something to improve your team vs the competition because everyone has draft picks. You ant make it a plan to get lucky on picks.

Ultimately your answer is they suck they aren’t doing anything to get better but since they sick they shouldn’t do anything to get better until they are good. In other words ignore everything they are doing, lose your eyes and hope for a miracle

 

[Wozzy]

BB

 

[Rob0729]

I have an uncle in Raleigh. Good living down in NC. He loves it. He retired in 2004 and relocate to NC. But yes bakers route running abilities, his first step, his head fakes he knows how to use his frame and leverage.. gonzo was raving about him and polk.. he will be able to get deep becuase pop will command teams #1 CB.

Yeah, just moved down to just outside Raleigh at the beginning of the year. Love it thus far.

I hope you are right about Baker. The receiving corp has the potential to be far better than many expect it to be.

 

[KCSVEN]

Are you seriously telling me you think the patriots are closer to a sb today than the Steelers? Based upon what?

I would bet the Patriots get to a Super Bowl before the Steelers do, they don't have a QB, we do. This year, yeah Steelers should be better, unless we start Maye every game from day 1 then maybe not.

 

[Rob0729]

No one said spend money foolishly. Don’t think every other team in the NFL that spends most of their cap is foolish?
I said pay to bring in players That are better than the ines you have.
Look at who the Titans signed and tell me we wouldn’t be a better team if we had all of those players. There were plenty of good players I listed 70 of them earlier

Are you seriously telling me you think the patriots are closer to a sb today than the Steelers? Based upon what?

Why would they spend it next year if they won’t spend it this year? His do you get “close” if you don’t do anything to improve your team? And the draft isn’t ding something to improve your team vs the competition because everyone has draft picks. You ant make it a plan to get lucky on picks.

Ultimately your answer is they suck they aren’t doing anything to get better but since they sick they shouldn’t do anything to get better until they are good. In other words ignore everything they are doing, lose your eyes and hope for a miracle

You are though. You want them to spend because they have money. That is foolish.

Yes, look at the Titans. They have been spending the last few years and they are at best the third best team in their division. They are spending money to be mediocre. I don't see a lot their spending doing anything to make them a serious contender. And they don't even know if they have a QB.

Why do I think they will spend money next year? Because they were were willing to pay Aiyuk top of the market value this year. They were also willing to pay Ridley. So if they think there is a good player is available at a position of need, they will spend on him.

And they are building through the draft. They drafted what hopes to be their franchise QB for the next 20 years. That is trying to get better. They tried to trade up to get a receiver, but they drafted two of them. Both could be solid picks. If all three hit and Baker lives up to his training camp hype, this team could have a potent offense for the next decade once Maye comes into his own.

But if you think the Pats are not trying get better, you are kidding yourself. They just aren't trying the way you want them to try to get better.