Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Bradyking12, Jul 11, 2019.
It’s not weak......it’s a flat out lie
Only the corrupt don’t see it that way
He’s a liar .... that is the only thing the cop proved .... nothing circular about it
"I wasn't there and I'm not inside anyone's head" - IllegalContact
LOL!! Boy you sure are awfully opinionated about the cop for someone who wasn't there and isn't inside anyone's head.
"He was refusing commands, now he's complying." is exactly what happened. No lies there.
Roberts did not refuse anything
The cop blatantly lied on camera
You must be watching a different video than the rest of us. Roberts opened the door and started to get out of the car. While he was still in the car but in the process of getting out, he was told twice "get back in the car, get back in the car." And then he immediately disobeyed the officer's lawful order and got entirely out of the car.
Try again, Mr. "I wasn't there and I'm not inside anyone's head". The only one lying here is you.
What did he lie about?
As any 16 year old in drivers' ed can tell you, getting out of the car when you've been pulled over is a big no-no. Roberts was told twice to get back in the car prior to getting out of the car.
Is what Roberts did the crime of the century? No. But it did show a failure to immediately comply with an officer's lawful demands - and it completely destroys your contention about how this office is the lying scum of the Earth as you've called him time and again.
The officer is not a liar, nor is his credibility lessened in any way. He was being accurate when he said "He was refusing commands, now he's complying."
"I wasn't there and I'm not inside anyone's head" - quote from the gutless coward too afraid to answer a simple question
She has every right to be out of the house. The officer commands are unjust. I have judged according to the police video and not the media.
There are extremists on both sides doing their thing. As usual, the truth is somewhat more in the middle of the two.
Illegal Contact calling the officer "a power drunk liar" is way off. He wasn't out of control at all and seemed to be strict yet polite (but in need of better training).
The opposite argument that the Officer is completely credible just because Texas state law says he is automatically credible is equally far off. The officer clearly misrepresented "failure to comply".
Your contention that the officer was right in his depiction that ER "was refusing commands" is patently wrong. That video clearly shows ER at NO TIME ever shook his head or refused to follow the officer's orders. He may have been confused/stunned between 0:16-0:32 of the video and briefly straightened his legs when he was half standing trying to explain to the officer that he was just at his house, when the officer repeated, he immediately got back into the car. Anyone depicting that as a "refusal to comply" is just bullspitting. It's all there between the 16-32 second mark of the video. It is what it is. It is where the officer (who I feel was ok for the rest of the stop, other than telling Mrs Roberts that she could be arrested for not going back into her house) goes awry. To depict that as a refusal to comply, the way he did, was wrong - - and the video proves it.
ER shouldn't have gotten out of the car during a traffic stop and the officer shouldn't have misrepresented the "failure to comply".
In sum: ER wasn't being difficult and the officer wasn't Hitler.
The officer was also out of line commanding Roberts’ wife to close the garage.....the guy actually sounds too incompetent to be hitler though I never called him that.....I just think he’s an @sshole with a gun
I mentioned that part as wrong. The guy needs better training and experience. There are plenty of instances of power hungry, malevolent police officers humiliating people based on anger issues, and there are plenty of instances of miscreant civilians with bad intentions disrespecting the police.
This was neither.
it was just an instance of an innocent stop (no racism in the stop - - the officer could not have known ER was black - - just look at the dark tinted windows on that Porsche) where both ER and the Officer Watkins made some small, human errors out of nervousness.
Seriously, anyone on either side of the extremes of this argument is doing it for personal viewpoint reasons other than what happened in that particular video.
(Now, if there was no credible measurement of "59 mph", as outlined by the police officer poster earlier in this thread as the 3 ways he was trained to do, then Watkins should be punished. He owed it to driver to clearly state how he came up with "59 mph")
In sum: That is all entirely too considered and reasonable.
Clearly you haven't grasped what is going on here. What are you thinking bringing objectivity and reason to a No U (ahem...cough) discussion?
He was told 3 times to get back in the car and told twice to close the door.
He was slow in complying both times.
Was he charged with Failure to Comply?
No but he came VERY close.
I don't understand why people think the officer is lying
I’m not sure you are qualified to judge the event, but I appreciate the attempt at middle ground
I watched the video. He got in the car. The cop told a flat out lie. He has no credibility.
The officer stated:
7:35 "He wouldn't comply"
7:46 "He was refusing commands, now he's complying".
It's right there on the video.
Compare those statements to what occurs from 0:16-0:32.
I understand the officer was nervous. He clearly misrepresented ER's actions. Things happen fast and I don't think he was lying per se, he was just nervous and remembers it differently. He remembered wrong. ... just as ER sees the stop as racial. It clearly was not. The windows on the Porsche were completely tinted.
But there was no refusal at any point by ER. He was confused, yes, but he never refused to comply.
It is what it is.
Given your posts in this thread, both parts of that conjoined sentence are rich with irony.
Correct- It is all right there. I've watched it as many times as you have. My view is different.
Not acting on an order from a police officer is failure to comply. There are multiple reasons why he wasn't. Confusion. Driveway. 'tude. Who knows.
Again. He was not charged but was getting close.
Here's what I think. Police are trained to expect the worst and they most of the time correctly behave accordingly. Sometimes they may overreact and then sometimes they abuse their power. I think that police and specialists in any field really, forget that the average citizen is not as up on what their appropriate response ought to be in a given situation. The police train for these situations all the time. Average citizens are often in new territory.
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