Patriots' Kaczur arrested for illegal possession of painkillers

[BadMoFo]

See the thing that you and others have failed to grasp is that Kaczur is not a kid. He's a grown man... capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong. The difference between just enough and too far.

Don't you know, the moment you pop a happiness pill, take a toke off a yummy joint or pipe, snort some powdered goodness, or inject yourself full of smiles and rainbows, your mind belongs to the drug. Not you.

 

[Kontradiction]

Don't you know, the moment you pop a happiness pill, take a toke off a yummy joint or pipe, snort some powdered goodness, or inject yourself full of smiles and rainbows, your mind belongs to the drug. Not you.

The world's smallest violin is playing for the poor, helpless addict.

 

[Wretch]

See the thing that you and others have failed to grasp is that Kaczur is not a kid. He's a grown man... capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong. The difference between just enough and too far.

No what you fail to grasp is that you do not have all of the pertinent information. Maybe Kaczur is scum, maybe not, but no one on this forum knows all the fact regarding the case and no one knows enough of the facts to make an accurate judgment.

Maybe Kaczur was a recreational user, maybe he has an addiction stemming from an injury where he was originally legally prescribed painkillers. We DO NOT know the facts and all of us are better off not making judgments on the facts that we do have.

Oh and you neglected to respond to my point of not everyone, regardless of genetic pre-disposition, takes drugs for the first time without duress. There are plenty of people suffering from addiction that no real choice was involved.

 

[BadMoFo]

The world's smallest violin is playing for the poor, helpless addict.

You sir, are heartless. He had boo-boos and ouchies. He needed them.

 

[Kontradiction]

No what you fail to grasp is that you do not have all of the pertinent information. Maybe Kaczur is scum, maybe not, but no one on this forum knows all the fact regarding the case and no one knows enough of the facts to make an accurate judgment.

Maybe Kaczur was a recreational user, maybe he has an addiction stemming from an injury where he was originally legally prescribed painkillers. We DO NOT know the facts and all of us are better off not making judgments on the facts that we do have.

Oh and you neglected to respond to my point of not everyone, regardless of genetic pre-disposition, takes drugs for the first time without duress. There are plenty of people suffering from addiction that no real choice was involved.

I didn't say Kaczur was scum because he was/is an addict. I said he was scum because he took part in something, the rolled over on the supplier when his back was against a wall.

Recreational users don't order 100 pills for use over a 5 day period. He is a junkie. On OxyContin, a junkie's central nervous system ceases to make a body's natural pain killing agents so when the user comes down from the high, he/she is in the worst pain they've ever felt. That's the reason for the 100 pills.

No choice was involved in being injured and getting them perscribed. But there was plenty of choice involved in his need to seek out the dealer after the doctor and pharmacist cut him off.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

It is possible that he increased his purchases once the feds got involved. It is not unusual for the feds to want to get to a high enough level to send the supplier to jail for a long time.

 

[Deus Irae]

I didn't say Kaczur was scum because he was/is an addict. I said he was scum because he took part in something, the rolled over on the supplier when his back was against a wall.

Recreational users don't order 100 pills for use over a 5 day period. He is a junkie. On OxyContin, a junkie's central nervous system ceases to make a body's natural pain killing agents so when the user comes down from the high, he/she is in the worst pain they've ever felt. That's the reason for the 100 pills.

No choice was involved in being injured and getting them perscribed. But there was plenty of choice involved in his need to seek out the dealer after the doctor and pharmacist cut him off.

What article or story tells us about the doctor and/or pharmacist cutting him off?

 

[Kontradiction]

What article or story tells us about the doctor and/or pharmacist cutting him off?

If they didn't cut him off then why was he visiting a drug dealer to get them illegally? See, this question is a double edged sword. If you answer it one way, you're admitting he's a junkie. If you answer it another way, you admit that he probably was never perscribed them in the fist place and is a junkie.

 

[unoriginal]

Let's talk more about the sacred bond that exists between the dealer and the user.

 

[Deus Irae]

If they didn't cut him off then why was he visiting a drug dealer to get them illegally? See, this question is a double edged sword. If you answer it one way, you're admitting he's a junkie. If you answer it another way, you admit that he probably was never perscribed them in the fist place and is a junkie.

Not really. What your answer shows is that you just spouting off without knowing what you're talking about. He may never have had a prescription. He may have once had a prescription and had it stopped. He may have an ongoing prescription, but not had it on him at the time. We don't know that part of the story yet, but anyone who's worked with people who get hooked on such pills know that things like doctor shopping and black market purchases can become part of the addiction cycle. It was, in fact, the idea of doctor shopping that that the idiot attorney in Florida tried to go after Limbaugh about.

Prescription medication is not the same as alcohol. You don't partake just for the kicks of it, at least in theory. Those who become addicted are often people who had no intention of taking such medications for any sort of recreational reason, unlike the 'junkie' addictions you seem hell bent to keep going on about. These drugs are known to cause addiction, but are still sanctioned by the government and prescribed by the doctors, so blaming the addict is really only looking at a portion of the problem and the reason for the addiction and subsequent behavior.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So by your line of thinking, McDpnald's is at fault for people getting fat and Phillip Morris is at fault for people getting addicted to cigarettes? Wrong. Fat people made the conscious decision to pick up a cheeseburger and smokers (including myself) made the conscious decision to get a pack of cigarettes. Advertisement can only do so much without human judgemental error.

You really are an enlightened piece of work. I agree, anything that happens to someone as informed as you and your generation is nobody's fault but your own. Many of us however became addicted to nicotine decades before we were informed it was addictive, let alone carcenogenic. Ditto we started eating fast food decades before you were born and well before the recent findings about trans fats needlessly added to them were a prescription for obesity, well...at least for those genetically presidposed to it. My personal judgemental errors began in grade school...because the generation that raised me thought that alcohol was fine because it makes you feel good, cigarettes were sophistocated because society led them to believe that, and fast food was not only the greatest invention since canned goods loaded with preservatives we now know would kill them, the ability to provide it to your kids was indicative of your success as a provider beyond their parents wildest dreams...

I will admit that I uncreasingly take perverse comfort in the knowledge that my generation has set the know-it-all generation up for major judgemental errors too - you just won't know it for a couple of more decades. And then you can listen to the next generation of smart ass kids tell you what a bunch of irresponsible numbskulls you were.

But I never wished further injury on your shoulder. What I said was:

I hope you don't have to have surgery on the shoulder and go through excruciating rehab only to find out arthritis can set it irrespective of age... Cause you might seek out something in a rational albeit pain wracked moment and become the victim of your own circumstances, tough guy... And then it would be hard for me to have any empathy or sympathy for you since you have little to none for others...

 

[PatriotsReign]

Either that or I'm at work and am only typing on one arm. Believe me, your tear jerking arguments don't scare me.

1. I never said the drug dealer wasn't at fault. You guys are the one's pointing the finger saying it was 100% his fault when Kaczur came to him in the first place. So when I say Phillip Morris and McDonald's are not 100% to blame that's what I mean.

2. Phillip Morris did put addictive ingredients into cigs but they didn't put a gun to my head and force me to buy their product. I made the conscious decision to do it on my own which is why I blame my addiction on myself and not Phillip Morris.

3. So because McDonald's didn't disclose their ingredients, they are 100% at fault for people being fat? Wrong. Fat people are at fault for it because they'd rather pay $5 for crap than get off their fat asses and shop for groceries and work out. Oh, and saying McDonald's is addictive is just icing on the cake. I don't even have to bury you here... you're doing it for me.

First off Kontra, I said exactly NOTHING about McDonalds.

Secondly, I said exactly NOTHING about anything being the dealer's fault.

You're debating too many people brother. What I will say is that "fault" is irrelevant in addiction. It's not the dealers fault nor is the addicts fault.

You having an opinion on addiction and debating me on it is like me debating a marathoner about whether Boston or the New York marathon is more difficult. How would I know? I've never come close to running a marathon.

How would you know anything about addiction? And the answer is....

You know nothing...period.

As far as "tear-jerking arguments" go, I don't believe I have given any emotional arguments at all. Unless you cry easy!

 

[BadMoFo]

Let's talk more about the sacred bond that exists between the dealer and the user.

Besides staying true to the "Don't tell on me, I don't tell on you" rule:

User should make purchases from dealer at least twice a week regardless if the user has money. The dealer is fine with stolen money or goods, or if available, a fine-looking and helpful sister, girlfriend or just friend.

Bartering is always acceptable. However, no VHS players or tapes. Video games systems and other electronics should be of modern technology. Cars must have ignition systems, and no more than one broken window. Make sure weapons cannot be traced back to other "activities."

Do not leave your dealer for a new dealer who begins selling product at a reduced rate. Inform the dealer of the new guy, and the problem will be settled. You don't have to know what happens, but rest assured, your dealer will be very grateful.

Do not come to dealer with more than one new person. Seriously, this isn't a group activity.

Explain any unexpected bumps or wires on your person before beginning a transaction with your dealer. If the dealer hears transmission feedback or radio static coming from your person, it means an automatic end to the user-dealer relationship, and possibly user's life.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not really. What your answer shows is that you just spouting off without knowing what you're talking about.

-Well since we're 'waiting for the facts' to come out, you can say the same thing about yourself. Oh, and it was a question, not an answer.

He may never have had a prescription.

-If he didn't, but sought it out... he is a junkie.

He may have once had a prescription and had it stopped.

-If he had one, it stopped, and he sought it out from a third party supplier... he is a junkie.

He may have an ongoing prescription, but not had it on him at the time.

-You are aware that cops can find out whether or not you are perscribed without having the perscription on you right? He wasn't perscribed, they verified it and it arrested him.

Prescription medication is not the same as alcohol. You don't partake just for the kicks of it, at least in theory.

-I knew two addicts who would disagree with you on that one. Kids today take it because it gets you high. If you're taking it because it gets you high, you're doing it for kicks. Now if you want to make an argument on the difference of the effects, I'm with ya.

Those who become addicted are often people who had no intention of taking such medications for any sort of recreational reason

-This is the same recycled argument used against me 1,000 times in this thread. If he took it for pain, he would need to make the conscious choice to actively seek it out after the perscription ended. I'm not saying he did it for kicks, just that he made his choice and now has to live with it.

so blaming the addict is really only looking at a portion of the problem and the reason for the addiction and subsequent behavior.

-BINGO!!! This is why this argument started. People in this thread seem content to let Kaczur off the hook for any wrongdoing while putting 100% of the blame on the dealer. My argument is that Kaczur is just as much, if not more at fault for seeking out the drugs in the first place. As I said earlier: advertisement can only do so much without an error in human judgement. Kaczur made that error yet is still being looked upon as an angel by many in this thread. By the way, I never once said in this thread or any other that the dealer wasn't at fault either. I actually called the dealer a scumbag too. But I'm not so much of a blind homer to let Kaczur off the hook for this.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

He may have an ongoing prescription, but not had it on him at the time. We don't know that part of the story yet, but anyone who's worked with people who get hooked on such pills know that things like doctor shopping and black market purchases can become part of the addiction cycle. It was, in fact, the idea of doctor shopping that that the idiot attorney in Florida tried to go after Limbaugh about.

Prescription medication is not the same as alcohol. You don't partake just for the kicks of it, at least in theory. Those who become addicted are often people who had no intention of taking such medications for any sort of recreational reason, unlike the 'junkie' addictions you seem hell bent to keep going on about. These drugs are known to cause addiction, but are still sanctioned by the government and prescribed by the doctors, so blaming the addict is really only looking at a portion of the problem and the reason for the addiction and subsequent behavior.

Good insight. An addictive personality (brain chemistry as we understand it today) exposed legitimately to painkillers prescribed for work related problems results in personal disaster. Me, I'm thankful for the quirky genetics that have so far kept me from alcohol et. al. addiction despite Scots-Irish genetics, although I was decades in quiting casual cigarette smoking. Who knows what dragons lurk there?

A big thumbs down to those whining about the guy giving up his source.

 

[PatriotsReign]

You really are an enlightened piece of work. I agree, anything that happens to someone as informed as you and your generation is nobody's fault but your own. Many of us however became addicted to nicotine decades before we were informed it was addictive, let alone carcenogenic. Ditto we started eating fast food decades before you were born and well before the recent findings about trans fats needlessly added to them were a prescription for obesity, well...at least for those genetically presidposed to it. My personal judgemental errors began in grade school...because the generation that raised me thought that alcohol was fine because it makes you feel good, cigarettes were sophistocated because society led them to believe that, and fast food was not only the greatest invention since canned goods loaded with preservatives we now know would kill them, the ability to provide it to your kids was indicative of your success as a provider beyond their parents wildest dreams...

I will admit that I uncreasingly take perverse comfort in the knowledge that my generation has set the know-it-all generation up for major judgemental errors too - you just won't know it for a couple of more decades. And then you can listen to the next generation of smart ass kids tell you what a bunch of irresponsible numbskulls you were.

But I never wished further injury on your shoulder. What I said was:

ALL of us "thought" we somehow knew a little more than older folks. Heck, some of even believed we somehow knew more than most.

Those of us over 40 now know how ridiculously arrogant we were when we were young. After all, how could we know more than "older" folks who had lived and experienced far more of life than we did? And what was it but pure conceit that could lead us to believe we somehow were smarter than most everyone!

That's the part about growing older that I love!

Let's give Kontra a hint....you don't know more than us older folks. It's actually the other way around. It is physically and mentally impossible for you to know even close to the the knowledge we have gained.

And we can assure you that you are not smarter than most people, so just accept that right now.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Another thread where expert windbags talk about a guy without knowing the facts of the case.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Good insight. An addictive personality (brain chemistry as we understand it today) exposed legitimately to painkillers prescribed for work related problems results in personal disaster. Me, I'm thankful for the quirky genetics that have so far kept me from addiction, although I was decades in quiting casual cigarette smoking. Who knows what dragons lurk there?

A big thumbs down to those whining about the guy giving up his source.

Ah yes...finally, a wise "old" man!

Nice to read something from someone with his feet firmly planted upon this earth.

 

[Kontradiction]

ALL of us "thought" we somehow knew a little more than older folks. Heck, some of even believed we somehow knew more than most.

Those of us over 40 now know how ridiculously arrogant we were when we were young. After all, how could we know more than "older" folks who had lived and experienced far more of life than we did? And what was it but pure conceit that could lead us to believe we somehow were smarter than most everyone!

That's the part about growing older that I love!

Let's give Kontra a hint....you don't know more than us older folks. It's actually the other way around. It is physically and mentally impossible for you to know even close to the the knowledge we have gained.

And we can assure you that you are not smarter than most people, so just accept that right now.

Except the difference is that I know I'm arrogant.

 

[Kontradiction]

Alright guys, 7:00 is just around the corner and I'm about ready to go home. It's been fun. Shall we continue this tomorrow?