Patriots getting the band back together, sign Jamie Collins

[Uptown]

Love the signing...if it’s a “prove it deal” & if he plays sound & disciplined this go round.

BB always gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Sully]

I like it. Good depth.

 

[Froob]

Sure, we all see the "dog" plays, since he's a former player here...that said:



Things went south with Collins here when he wanted to get paid. They couldn't extend, so they trade, a la Chandler Jones. And yeah, Collins was showing on the field issues, reportedly, with too much freelancing.

Makes it easy to forget that the year before that, he was all over the place with coverage and sacks - I remember a Monday Night game where Collingsworth was insisting that other teams' OC's had to design around the guy.

If BB wants him back, that's good enough for me, since he's calling the Defensive Signals this year.

I think the free lancing was the primary issue. If he was balling out they would have let him leave in free agency. Lombardi was complaining about him on his pod for weeks before Bill finally pulled the plug.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

If bb thinks he can help im all for it.

 

[SBLIII]

I don't see him making the roster.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Still remember the moment I heard we dumped Collins for little (3rd round comp pick) and the other time that we released Dominique Easley. Both total "WTF" moments for me. Neither hurt too bad I guess

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well that tells us what Mayo thinks of Collins.

I don’t think Mayo has any say...

 

[ivanvamp]

Works for me. Free-lancing isn't good but the guy is a dynamic talent. Maybe a second go-round, and some years of personal maturing, will have made him a better fit.

 

[jah]

I don’t think Mayo has any say...

You don't think the coaching staff provides input on potential acquisitions they've worked with in the past?

 

[HobokenPatsFan]

“A” GAP BLITZ MONSTA.

 

[SBLIII]

Cleveland Browns: Jamie Collins is a liability on defense

 

[Boston Boxer]

Umm, Italics = sarcasm.

i did not know that. interesting

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

There were a couple concerns in the previous go-round.

Rumors of him free-lancing. As a starter the team relied on him. The 2016 LB depth chart was Hightower, Collins, Shea McClellin, Barkevious Mingo, and rookie Elandon Roberts. There was less depth the team was comfortable with. In this situation he would come back as depth - if he's not with the gameplan, he doesn't play.

Rumors of his bad attitude in the locker room. When he was shipped out of town, players said "we just lost the best player on our defense." As a perceived team leader, his attitude was impactful. He's not going to be in a leadership role. The other defensive starters on that 2016 team included Malcom Brown, Alan Branch, Jabaal Sheard, Rob Ninkovich, Collins, Hightower, Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Devin McCourty and Patrick Chung. Ninkovich, McCourty, and then not a lot of locker room leaders. In this situation he's not coming in as a locker room leader.

At this point in free agency, he's looking to compete for a roster spot. Very little guaranteed money.

At the on-the-line linebacker role, there's Hightower, Van Noy, and Calhoun. Period. One of them gets hurt and you are real thin. At off-the-line you have a recovering Ja'Wham Bentley, Roberts, recovering Christian Sam, and undrafted Terez Hall. So Collins is basically competing with Calhoun for a roster spot. Calhoun has one half sack in his NFL career. Collins is much more athletic.

You'd look at him like Inman. Decent shot to make the team; competing with some undrafted rookies and aging/recovering vets for a roster spot; better play some special teams.

I have this gif of his wheel route mis-coverage vs SeaHags in the SB burned into my psyche.
Your post goes a long way to allaying my concerns about Collins given what he's competing for.

 

[IllegalContact]

he can't be any worse than half of the clowns they've dragged through here

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You don't think the coaching staff provides input on potential acquisitions they've worked with in the past?

Mayo is a new coach. Doubt Bill called him up. Besides, Bill has worked with Collins in the past and knows what he’s all about.

 

[PatsFan_Belarus]

Patrick Chung 2.0?
Was not so good first time around, but after couple of years away from the team integrated fully.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is one of those moves whereas if it was any other coach I'd be saying, "What and idiot. Waste of time bringing in that lolly-gagger."

But since its BB and there is a history, I won't call BB an idiot but until proven otherwise, Collins is still a lolly-gagger.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Mayo is a new coach. Doubt Bill called him up. Besides, Bill has worked with Collins in the past and knows what he’s all about.

Dunno. I would think BB & Mayo at the least had a coachability discussion about a putative return.
And yes, I know Mayo is the ILB coach but as a respected Patriots vet he's in an advantaged position of player relations influence.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This is one of those moves whereas if it was any other coach I'd be saying, "What and idiot. Waste of time bringing in that lolly-gagger."

But since its BB and there is a history, I won't call BB an idiot but until proven otherwise, Collins is still a lolly-gagger.

So you're saying that Dog Faker is only for wideouts?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I was baffled that they traded him away. Glad to see him back. Hopefully he learned his lessons after 3 years in the pen