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PostGame Thread Patriots Fall to the Eagles 14-13 at Gillette Stadium

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Some guys have it some guys don't the Team responded to Drake Maye very different energy when he's in there. As for Jacoby Biscuit hated his FA singing you don't bring a known loser to a Team who's trying to win. Maye completely outplayed him nuff said!
This is why I hated the whole discussion of Maye sitting being predicated on "he'll start if he outplays Brissett". If he wasn't better than Brissett very clearly by the end of training camp, he was going to be a bust. Most QB's drafted in round 1 will be better than Brissett by a decent margin. That's not the standard. Brissett is a nice guy who listens to the coaches that teams generally like who knows enough about how much he can't do and doesn't have an ego to try to be more than what he is as a player.

Brissett is there to not make a bunch of mistakes and be abysmal so the fans don't call for his head while they get the guy on the bench ready.
 
Maye was really the only reason I tuned in last night. I would probably give him a low B. He didn't do anything awful, but he wasn't great either. He looks at times like he's having trouble getting past the second read. He threw a bubble screen way to early, creating negative yardage. He threw a couple of passes that could cause injuries down the line. Accuracy was an issue.

On the positive side, he made some decent runs without trying to do too much. His deep throw to Baker was nice to see. Baker should have caught it, but it was a tough play to make. That pass gets completed and Maye's numbers look better.

Right now, as expected, I think the game is moving a bit quickly for Maye. I know they need a better look at Milton but I hope they give Maye more time in the next game as he likely won't get many chances during the season no matter how bad Jacoby is.
The all-22 is not out yet on NFL+, so hard to be 100% certain analysis but play by play without it disagrees with your entire take.

The first dropback, he went quickly thru 3 read, 3 reads in like 2 seconds.
2nd pass, 2 reads, maybe 3 as the underneath of Baker might be 2, nailed the deep crosser
Next-dump off to tight end with free rusher
Next play first read open, threw it
Next play was shot play down sideline to Baker. had a step, pushed out of bounds, ball landed in his hands
NExt play, until all-22 hard to tell if 2nd or 3rd read, probably 3rd to the flat to Polk.
Next play was probably the ONE play you say will cause injury down the line, a little high to Baker, first read, he is open between 2 defenders, again hits him in the hands, looks Like Maye hesitated during the throw, not great but correct read, hit him in hands, should be a low throw though between defenders, his hesitation probably caused the throw to be high. Bad throw, but a good wr also catches it.
Next, great screen pass great timing, I'm assuming there is a screen later that is off you mention
Then fumble snap
2 reads and a run
2 reads and deep ball to Baker
Next play, 6 reads, yes 6 though technically not all "reads" on the play just kept head up on scramble and kept looking and then threw it away on the scramble
1st read Baker PI play
Throw away with at least 3 reads on a play designed for a 1 read quick throw that was covered

I saw one play that the receiver was stopped, so not a hospital ball throwing into people while moving, no other remotely close to "cause injury down the line"

Bubble screen negative yards? Where?

Absolutely not moving too quickly for him. Based on above he went thru more reads than the average NFL QB can do.

What have you seen on film on Milton, he has 4 years of film and 2 exhibition games saying he's got a 1% chance of being an NFL starter?

A few inaccurate passes that were either caught or hit the receiver in the hands.

Who gives a crap about the numbers looking better? If he played for 49ers, Dolphins or Bengals he'd have great #'s wouldn't mean he's a franchise QB.

He made 3 GREAT, all-pro level throws.
 
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The all-22 is not out yet on NFL+, so hard to be 100% certain analysis but play by play without it disagrees with your entire take.

The first dropback, he went quickly thru 3 read, 3 reads in like 2 seconds.
2nd pass, 2 reads, maybe 3 as the underneath of Baker might be 2, nailed the deep crosser
Next-dump off to tight end with free rusher
Next play first read open, threw it
Next play was shot play down sideline to Baker. had a step, pushed out of bounds, ball landed in his hands
NExt play, until all-22 hard to tell if 2nd or 3rd read, probably 3rd to the flat to Polk.
Next play was probably the ONE play you say will cause injury down the line, a little high to Baker, first read, he is open between 2 defenders, again hot shim int he hands, loos Lie May hesitated during the throw, not great but correct read, hit him in hands, should be a low throw though between defenders, his hesitation probably caused the throw to be high. Bad throw, but a god wr also catches it.
Next, great screen pass great timing, I'm assuming there is a screen later that is off you mention
Then fumble snap
2 reads and a run
2 reads and deep ball to Baker
Next play, 6 reads, yes 6 though technically not all "reads" on the play just kept head up on scramble and kept looking and then threw it away on the scramble
1st read Baker PI play
Throw away with at least 3 read son a play designed for a 1 read quick throw that was covered

I saw one play that the receiver was stopped, so not a hospital ball throwing into people while moving, no other remotely close to "cause injury down the line"

Bubble screen negative yards? Where?

Absolutely not moving too quickly for him. Based on above he went thru more reads than the average NFL QB can do.

What have you seen on film on Milton, he has 4 years of film and 2 exhibition games saying he's got a 1% chance of being an NFL starter?

A few inaccurate passes that were either caught or hit the receiver in the hands.

Who gives a crap about the numbers looking better? If he played for 49ers, Dolphins or Bengals he'd have great #'s wouldn't mean he's a franchise QB.

He made 3 GREAT, all-pro level throws.
Zo called out Chucks on the bubble screen play which is why it was not effective.
 
Honestly I feel like people were high on Brissett because of 1 game he played for us 8 years ago and don't realize just how bad he is.

I wonder why the Patriots did not get a top-line QB in the Free Agency period....oh wait, that would have been expensive, now I get it. Actually the price would have been in the 100 million range which is pretty outrageous but that is the going rate. However the Patriots would have been set at QB so they could have traded down and got a bluechip LT and WR, and bingo, they would have a legit team....
 
A receiver needs to stay in bounds
I don't know what to think about Baker. I am still optimistic; he seems to be able to get open and just missed on a popcorn play. I am in a wheelchair and almost stood up on that play. I think there is potential there and the Patriots WR group seems to getting pretty good with Boutte coming on and Poke looking pretty good (not early second round good, but OK).
 
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Preseason games in this new (sorta new) CBA era are almost impossible to judge the way I used to judge preseason games. There is VERY little that can be extended to gameday situations. With the limited training camps and practices, preseason games are effectively live-action training camps. Who knows what anybody was being asked to do. Our evaluations almost certainly are not lining up with the coaching staff's evaluations, as a result.
 
Honestly I feel like people were high on Brissett because of 1 game he played for us 8 years ago and don't realize just how bad he is. He's there to be a warm body who doesn't get hurt and can only make the easiest and safest plays possible, which is the only reason he isn't making mistakes. He's been the QB on some pretty talented rosters and was the primary reason they didn't get close to the playoffs (the Colts roster he subbed in for when Luck went down was a very talented team). With the rest of the problems on the team, it would be shocking to see Brissett not look awful. He doesn't have the luxury anymore of not trying to make plays and take some risks.

I hope nobody was expecting him to be that great lol I figured with him we were sacrificing on field success with a better locker room guy and mentor , which I hope he can still be. But so far he’s even worse on the field than i expected.

Based on his last couple full seasons as a starter i thought we could expect marginal output with a rating in the high 80s. Despite having less weapons here, he would have had a better defense with a healthy Barmore and rhamondre so it might have even tailored more to his conservative style not needing to score alot. But if we are without barmore and the defense ends up more towards middle of the pack/worse than towards top 10 then it’s going to be a rough ride with him. In the event that maye is not ready.
 
Zo called out Chucks on the bubble screen play which is why it was not effective.

I think that it was Devin and Jason McCourty who first noted it. They were outstanding. I hate to say this, but they were much better than Zo. I like Zo's enthusiasm and quirkiness, but the McCourty's were better. They had some really interesting insights on the secondary play, stuff I had not heard before. Traditionally the Patriots preseason broadcast crew had that rustic high school football coverage feel, but the McCourty's elevated it.
 
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I wonder why the Patriots did not get a top-line QB in the Free Agency period....oh wait, that would have been expensive, now I get it. Actually the price would have been in the 100 million range which is pretty outrageous but that is the going rate. However the Patriots would have been set at QB so they could have traded down and got a bluechip LT and WR, and bingo, they would have a legit team....
Like who?


I don't see anyone here who is "top line" or would make the Patriots "set at QB".
 
BTW, did anyone else see Keion White get his clock cleaned on one of the last plays of the half? He was pancaked by the center. He looked OK on the sidelines afterwards; I suspect he is one tough SOB.
 
Like who?


I don't see anyone here who is "top line" or would make the Patriots "set at QB".

Right, i sure as **** didn’t want us breaking the bank on mayfield or cousins.

One could argue Russell Wilson who most likely would have been better on the field, but im not sure hes the guy id want in a room with 2 rookies. And hes not leading this team to more than 6 or 7 wins anyway
 
Maye was really the only reason I tuned in last night. I would probably give him a low B. He didn't do anything awful, but he wasn't great either. He looks at times like he's having trouble getting past the second read. He threw a bubble screen way to early, creating negative yardage. He threw a couple of passes that could cause injuries down the line. Accuracy was an issue.

On the positive side, he made some decent runs without trying to do too much. His deep throw to Baker was nice to see. Baker should have caught it, but it was a tough play to make. That pass gets completed and Maye's numbers look better.

Right now, as expected, I think the game is moving a bit quickly for Maye. I know they need a better look at Milton but I hope they give Maye more time in the next game as he likely won't get many chances during the season no matter how bad Jacoby is.
He's only 21 years old. Otherwise I'd be terrified right now. Potential? Yes. Ready to start and win NFL games? No.
 
Like who?


I don't see anyone here who is "top line" or would make the Patriots "set at QB".

Yeah, OK, a 100 million plus for Kirk Cousins or Tannehill or Mayfield seems ridiculous...
 
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A few quick thoughts......all offense related:
1) My initial reaction after watching (at Buffalo Wild Wings-BOGO boneless wings) Mac Jones "trot" onto the field for his first series in his first preseason game his rookie season was: "That was the least athletic jog I have ever seen in my life. He looks less athletic than the nerdy freshman team manager of any high school JV team who holds the clipboard and practically falls over from the weight of his helmet."
I knew then and there Mac Jones possessed zero athletic skills necessary to elevate an NFL team and he proved me right.

Fast forward to preseason game #2 of 2024 and our new, next great QB flashed plus athleticism I never thought I'd see under center in Foxborough wearing a home uniform.

Plus arm
Incredibly fluid running motion
Jimmy G with a bigger arm, and hopefully in time, a NFL mind (and more grit than JG)

Regarding Maye, I am 275% more hopeful about his future than I was at 6:59PM last night

2) As much as I love Pop Douglas, there is no way he will ever come close to replicating the production of any of NE's great slot receivers the past 25 years....Brown, Welker, Edelperson.
Far too diminutive, too easily brought down (with arm tackles, much the same as Boney T).
I cringed in horror watching Douglas field a punt in a preseason game fully expecting the worst.
Pop cannot survive a starter workload, IMO.
It is what it is

3) Are there still wishful thinkers out there who still insist JAGcoby offers an upgrade over Mac Jones?
JAGs are insulted being associated with our stable pony starter.

 
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Honestly I feel like people were high on Brissett because of 1 game he played for us 8 years ago and don't realize just how bad he is. He's there to be a warm body who doesn't get hurt and can only make the easiest and safest plays possible, which is the only reason he isn't making mistakes. He's been the QB on some pretty talented rosters and was the primary reason they didn't get close to the playoffs (the Colts roster he subbed in for when Luck went down was a very talented team). With the rest of the problems on the team, it would be shocking to see Brissett not look awful. He doesn't have the luxury anymore of not trying to make plays and take some risks.
That would be me.
Sad to say.
 
As it looks now, Brissett will be benched at some point because of accuracy issues and Maye will see a lot of playing time, but how long can he hold up? Not too long I suspect. I think that Milton will have to come in a lot.

I repeat my previous statement: they have to be unavailable (injured or ejected). You cannot insert a QB3 by benching QB1 or QB2.
 
I would like to see Maye play the first half next week and Milton the second half. JB has gotten most of the starting reps in training camp and he still looks awful.
 
A few quick thoughts......all offense related:
1) My initial reaction after watching (at Buffalo Wild Wings-BOGO boneless wings) Mac Jones "trot" onto the field for his first series in his first preseason game his rookie season was: "That was the least athletic jog I have ever seen in my life. He looks less athletic than the nerdy freshman team manager of any high school JV team who holds the clipboard and practically falls over from the weight of his helmet."
I knew then and there Mac Jones possessed zero athletic skills necessary to elevate an NFL team and he proved me right.

Fast forward to preseason game #2 of 2024 and our new, next great QB flashed plus athleticism I never thought I'd see under center in Foxborough wearing a home uniform.

Plus arm
Incredibly fluid running motion
Jimmy G with a bigger arm, and hopefully in time, a NFL mind (and more grit than JG)

Regarding Maye, I am 275% more hopeful about his future than I was at 6:59PM last night

2) As much as I love Pop Douglas, there is no way he will ever come close to replicating the production of any of NE's great slot receivers the past 25 years....Brown, Welker, Edelperson.
Far too diminutive, too easily brought down (with arm tackles, much the same as Boney T).
I cringed in horror watching Douglas field a punt in a preseason game fully expecting the worse.
Pop cannot survive a starter workload, IMO.
It is what it is

3) Are there still wishful thinkers out there who still insist JAGcoby offers an upgrade over Mac Jones?
JAGs are insulted being associated with our stable pony starter.

Agreed on Douglas not being an every down guy. I think that the ideal role for him on a WR depth chart would be:

1) They get a true every down, X receiver
2) They have a #2 that can play the Z but also move into the slot
3) Douglas plays in the slot (#2 above plays the Z) but also a guy to share time with (#4 below)
4) Z/X hybrid receiver who shares time with Douglas for when they want a different look (#2 above plays slot when this guy is in)

That's part of why I really, really liked the Aiyuk idea. Skill set wise, I think he would have slotted in as #1 above. Polk's skill set seems like a fit for #2. Douglas is #3. Baker could be #4. But oh well, they'll try again next year. I'm hopeful that Maye can show enough this year that Higgins is willing to come here (for a mega offer, of course) if CIN lets him get to free agency.
 
Agreed on Douglas not being an every down guy. I think that the ideal role for him on a WR depth chart would be:

1) They get a true every down, X receiver
2) They have a #2 that can play the Z but also move into the slot
3) Douglas plays in the slot (#2 above plays the Z) but also a guy to share time with (#4 below)
4) Z/X hybrid receiver who shares time with Douglas for when they want a different look (#2 above plays slot when this guy is in)

That's part of why I really, really liked the Aiyuk idea. Skill set wise, I think he would have slotted in as #1 above. Polk's skill set seems like a fit for #2. Douglas is #3. Baker could be #4. But oh well, they'll try again next year. I'm hopeful that Maye can show enough this year that Higgins is willing to come here (for a mega offer, of course) if CIN lets him get to free agency.

Higgins, Polk, Baker, and Douglas would be a very 'non-fast' group that would scare no-one deep. The running game would much tougher when the safeties are playing in the box.
 
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