Patriots at Raiders post-game thread

[condon84]

Yeah, but it was before the 2007 season.

So you cosign a post using stats that supports your argument but dismiss other stats and facts that don't support your argument. You have to be one of the worst posters here on these boards.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Our offense did our defense a favor yesterday by not going on a fast-tempo no-huddle offense and instead ran the ball and shortened the game. The Raiders got 3 less possessions (9 total) than the Bills (12 total) got last week. The Raiders average net gain per play was 7.6 compared to the Bills which gained 7.5 per play.The Bills offense scored 27 points in 12 drives which averages at 2.25 points per drive. The Raiders offense scored 19 points in 9 drives which averages 2.11 points per drive. A little less but still on the same track.

Even without the stats and facts I just listed, just watching our defense play was frustrating. We can't get off on third downs and offer little resistence. Yes, Campbell made mistakes, but they were mistakes not caused by any type of pressure but just dumb mistakes.

Point is, had our offense gone to an up-tempo game and given the opposing offense more possessions, our defense was on track to have just as bad a game as the previous games.

Just got back into town from the game.

Simple fact

If brains were dynamite, condom 84 couldn't blow his nose.

BTW shmessy and Rob

You guys are 100% correct on McFadden. About 500 Raiders fans in my section knew exactly what was happening and were @#$(*&^about it.

Can someone please explain to this imbecile that games are won by scoring points and holding your opponent to 13 points is going to win games.

The "Black Hole" has more Einsteins than patsfans.com.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Whether it was McFadden or not, an 8-13 third down conversion is not a good percentage. McFadden ran for 5.4 yards per carry so it's not like we shut him down.

The Raiders employed the "lets beat the Pats by passing" strategy, which isn't really a bad idea considering how awful our pass defense is. Campbell's INT to Chung int he end zone was a gift. I don't know how else you can look at that. And the other INT was a great play by Wilfork. But otherwise, our defense needs a lot of work. If you don't think so, then I we'll agree to disagree.

Dude

Stop watching the games, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[condon84]

Just got back into town from the game.

Simple fact

If brains were dynamite, condom 84 couldn't blow his nose.

BTW shmessy and Rob

You guys are 100% correct on McFadden. About 500 Raiders fans in my section knew exactly what was happening and were @#$(*&^about it.

Can someone please explain to this imbecile that games are won by scoring points and holding your opponent to 13 points is going to win games.

The "Black Hole" has more Einsteins than patsfans.com.

You too are one of the worst posters here. Not surprised you agree with schmessy.

Go cry to Ian.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Last week the Raiders were an up and coming team that many felt were going to lay us to rest Sunday. All of a sudden the Raiders don't know how to coach and aren't very good because we won the game? I don't get some fans.

 

[BradyFTW!]

So you cosign a post using stats that supports your argument but dismiss other stats and facts that don't support your argument. You have to be one of the worst posters here on these boards.

You're accusing others of doing exactly what you do. Every failure has many parents, every success is an orphan, etc. etc. You rationalize away every success as a fluke and treat every failure like a systematic and fatal flaw. It betrays a clear agenda in your posts and makes it impossible to take you seriously.

 

[condon84]

You're accusing others of doing exactly what you do. Every failure has many parents, every success is an orphan, etc. etc. You rationalize away every success as a fluke and treat every failure like a systematic and fatal flaw. It betrays a clear agenda in your posts and makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Agenda? The hell? Our defense hasn't played well and some idiot here comments that they performed beautifully. I say BS and argue what I thought based on what I saw and also posted facts and stats to support my argument. The moron comes back dismissing arguments that are supported by stats but then later on cosigns another argument that uses stats that support his argument.

Where's the agenda?

 

[Wides]

Tedy Bruschi looks like a bitter has-been.

 

[yukon cornelius]

We're fortunate that Campbell is Campbell. Our defense still needs work. Lots of easy 3rd down conversions and long drives by the Raiders.

We'll win a lot of these games against average/bad teams. But against elite teams in the playoffs, they're not going to shoot themselves. Can't play defense HOPING the other team makes mistakes in the playoffs.

long drives don't mean squat when they result in a TO or a FG - hold the opponents to low red zone efficiency and you usually win

there 's no such thing as unforced errors in football - every error is a result of something the other team is doing; even something as innocuous as a dropped snapped is usually because the center has been getting his ass handed to him all day and is trying to get a jump on the guy across from him

this team creates turnovers, this team plays tough in the red zone, and is improving every week.....if they get healthy, this defense is fine.......


this is like that scene from european vacation.....'look kids, big ben, parliament'

 

[shmessy]

Agenda? The hell? Our defense hasn't played well and some idiot here comments that they performed beautifully. I say BS and argue what I thought based on what I saw and also posted facts and stats to support my argument. The moron comes back dismissing arguments that are supported by stats but then later on cosigns another argument that uses stats that support his argument.

Where's the agenda?

Sorry about your Red Sox.

This is a football board. It's not stratomatic.

.....and yes, you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[condon84]

Sorry about your Red Sox.

This is a football board. It's not stratomatic.

.....and yes, you are embarrassing yourself.

I still see no valid counter to my argument besides your insistence about Red Sox, Ali/Frazier, Gameboys and whatever it is you threw on the wall. Nothing's sticking man.

"Our defense beautifully performing it's task"

 

[shmessy]

Just got back into town from the game.

Simple fact

If brains were dynamite, condom 84 couldn't blow his nose.

BTW shmessy and Rob

You guys are 100% correct on McFadden. About 500 Raiders fans in my section knew exactly what was happening and were @#$(*&^about it.

Can someone please explain to this imbecile that games are won by scoring points and holding your opponent to 13 points is going to win games.

The "Black Hole" has more Einsteins than patsfans.com.

Please don't judge this website based on Condon (or D-Money or Patsfan1982).

As you noted, most of us saw the exact same thing throughout the game regarding the McFadden strategy that the folks in the stadium saw.

And most of us also know the LONGTIME Belichick strategy of taking away an opponent's strength and letting the weak link put up the big numbers. Though it isn't 100%, it has worked the vast majority of the time and has resulted in the Patriots having the best won-loss percentage (the stat that MEANS SOMETHING, Condon) this century.

Obviously, the fans in the stadium realized it to their chagrin early on in the game and had to suffer watching it be implemented beautifully.

Some day, Condon may want to actually learn about this man, Belichick. But hey, we always graciously accept the Pink Hats coming over each year after the Sox season.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Shmessy: The issue with BB to me is not giving away both safeties for zilch. I could not care less if he got middling picks that some (not me) felt were there for the taking. The issue is that he did not have capable replacements. Why Sanders is gone is a mystery to me. Please, no replies about cap space, We have plenty. Bill must be delusional about Sergio et. al.

I dunno how anyone can seriously disagree with you there. So far, Barrett and Brown have been ******* terrible, and that wasn't exactly hard to see coming. We easily had the cap space to keep one of Sanders/Meriweather as an insurance policy, even if we intended to play Brown/Barrett ahead of them at the outset. I can't imagine anyone arguing that Tarpinian's roster spot wouldn't have been better spent keeping an experienced starter around while the Brown/Barrett experiment had a test run.

 

[condon84]

Please don't judge this website based on Condon (or D-Money or Patsfan1982).

As you noted, most of us saw the exact same thing throughout the game regarding the McFadden strategy that the folks in the stadium saw.

And most of us also know the LONGTIME Belichick strategy of taking away an opponent's strength and letting the weak link put up the big numbers. Though it isn't 100%, it has worked the vast majority of the time and has resulted in the Patriots having the best won-loss percentage (the stat that MEANS SOMETHING, Condon) this century.

Obviously, the fans in the stadium realized it to their chagrin early on in the game and had to suffer watching it be implemented beautifully.

Some day, Condon may want to actually learn about this man, Belichick. But hey, we always graciously accept the Pink Hats coming over each year after the Sox season.

First, I never disputed the Pats strategy of taking the other teams strength. We all know that's what BB's defenses do. Secondly, I also never questioned whether this strategy has worked for us before so please don't put things in my mouth, I haven't done that to you.

My argument was the fact that you think the way the game played out was exactly how BB envisioned it down to Campbell throwing that INT in the endzone. I'm sure some aspects of how the game played out how BB envisioned it, but I don't think his plan included the Raiders gaining over 500 yards of offense, having Campbell throw us a gift etc. I'm sure he preferred for us to get off on third downs more consistently.

Our defense has not played well. They have a lot of areas that they can improve on. That's my opinion. It has made enough plays to help the offense and the team reach it's 3-1 mark, and that's the bottom line. But there's a long way to go with our defense.

You dismissing stats, throwing other stuff on the wall that had nothing to do with the argument is where you come off as a nutjob.

 

[shmessy]

I dunno how anyone can seriously disagree with you there. So far, Barrett and Brown have been ******* terrible, and that wasn't exactly hard to see coming. We easily had the cap space to keep one of Sanders/Meriweather as an insurance policy, even if we intended to play Brown/Barrett ahead of them at the outset. I can't imagine anyone arguing that Tarpinian's roster spot wouldn't have been better spent keeping an experienced starter around while the Brown/Barrett experiment had a test run.

I fully agree.

 

[shmessy]

First, I never disputed the Pats strategy of taking the other teams strength. We all know that's what BB's defenses do. Secondly, I also never questioned whether this strategy has worked for us before so please don't put things in my mouth, I haven't done that to you.

My argument was the fact that you think the way the game played out was exactly how BB envisioned it down to Campbell throwing that INT in the endzone. I'm sure some aspects of how the game played out how BB envisioned it, but I don't think his plan included the Raiders gaining over 500 yards of offense, having Campbell throw us a gift etc. I'm sure he preferred for us to get off on third downs more consistently.

Our defense has not played well. They have a lot of areas that they can improve on. That's my opinion. It has made enough plays to help the offense and the team reach it's 3-1 mark, and that's the bottom line. But there's a long way to go with our defense.

You dismissing stats, throwing other stuff on the wall that had nothing to do with the argument is where you come off as a nutjob.

I've said all along that BB screwed up our defense royally by jettisoning Sanders and Merriwether for nothing in return, creating a huge whole in the secondary/middle of the the field.

The Defense on Sunday without Mayo much of the game, no Dowling/Haynesworth/Wright/Bodden, and Chung playing with a cast, played to the best of it's ability.

The remaining personnel executed the gameplan BEAUTIFULLY - - on the West Coast - - against an offense that had been averaging over 30 points per game (and had hung up 38 points the week before against the Jets). They stayed within themselves and didn't try to do anything outside of their ability.

Anyone who expected a defensive beatdown by that squad in that situation is delusional or ignorant of the game of football. That was an optimal performance by that particular Defense.

This ain't the '85 Bears, or even the Pats D of recent memory.