Patriots are 27/32 on cash tracker for this year as of 4-18

[All3Phases]

Yes, Mahomes elivates the team to a certtain point, and if Alex Smith is the QB they don't win the super bowl, but if not for the return on the trade from Miami, and if not for the GM selecting quality players, most likely another team wins the super bowl.

maybe, maybe not…one thing we do know is Mahomes has guaranteed them a spot in the final 4 every year that he’s played…with 5 different rosters

 

[All3Phases]

It's largely pointless, for two reasons. First, teams have a cap floor of ~90% over multi-year spans. Second, if teams are rolling over money, they'll all ultimately spend more or less the exact same amount of money in the long run (i.e., over the 10 years of the CBA, the difference between the highest spending and lowest spending team will likely be <$10M/year).

Do you have a source for this? Maybe depending on the sample size things could even out…but for example from 2015-2019, the difference between the highest spending team (eagles) and the lowest (Ravens) was ~$130 million

 

[WinstonSmith]

maybe, maybe not…one thing we do know is Mahomes has guaranteed them a spot in the final 4 every year.

Add the 18M saved from getting rid of Hill then definately maybe...and one thing that we do know is that Mahomes, his teammates, GM, coaching staff, and others have gotten the Chiefs to the final 4 every year since 2018.

 

[All3Phases]

Add the 18M saved from getting rid of Hill then definately maybe...and one thing that we do know is that Mahomes, his teammates, GM, coaching staff, and others have gotten the Chiefs to the final 4 every year since 2018.

You’re also taking away loads of contribution from hill, you can spin the return any way you want. He’s taken 5 different rosters to the AFCCG or better. Again, must just be a coincidence that the chiefs were 1-4 in the playoffs from 2013-17 under Reid and 11-3 since.

 

[WinstonSmith]

You’re also taking away loads of contribution from hill, you can spin the return any way you want. He’s taken 5 different rosters to the AFCCG or better. Again, must just be a coincidence that the chiefs were 1-4 in the playoffs from 2013-17 under Reid and 11-3 since.

I’m not taking anything away. The Chiefs need to make prudent cap/talent decisions to stay on top and appear to be doing so. They signed Mahomes to a very team friendly contract, but his cap hit is still over 17% of the cap and they need to allocate the remainder of their cap resources effeciently. Trading Hill helps extend their stay on top by building cheaply via the draft and gives them the cap needed to retain other core players. If they kept Hill they would’ve had to cut/restructure contracts to account for the 18 million and they would’ve also had to sign free agents at market value to replace the rookies gained from the Dolphins trade. The Chiefs scored 496 points in 2022 and had 7032 yards without Hill, and scored 480 points and 6746 yards in 2021 with Hill. I think that we can both agree that trading Hill was the right move.

It wasn’t a coincidence that the Chiefs have done better with a QB that is arguably the best ever, but it’s also not a coincidence that he thrives on a team whose coaches and GM put him in an excellent position to win by building a solid and complementary team around him. Mahomes wouldn't have the same success on at least 3/4 of the teams in the NFL. It takes a village, not just a Prince with an idiot brother.

 

[All3Phases]

I’m not taking anything away. The Chiefs need to make prudent cap/talent decisions to stay on top and appear to be doing so. They signed Mahomes to a very team friendly contract, but his cap hit is still over 17% of the cap and they need to allocate the remainder of their cap resources effeciently. Trading Hill helps extend their stay on top by building cheaply via the draft and gives them the cap needed to retain other core players. If they kept Hill they would’ve had to cut/restructure contracts to account for the 18 million and they would’ve also had to sign free agents at market value to replace the rookies gained from the Dolphins trade. The Chiefs scored 496 points in 2022 and had 7032 yards without Hill, and scored 480 points and 6746 yards in 2021 with Hill. I think that we can both agree that trading Hill was the right move.

It wasn’t a coincidence that the Chiefs have done better with a QB that is arguably the best ever, but it’s also not a coincidence that he thrives on a team whose coaches and GM put him in an excellent position to win by building a solid and complementary team around him. Mahomes wouldn't have the same success on at least 3/4 of the teams in the NFL. It takes a village, not just a Prince with an idiot brother.

this is mostly hypothetical, which is impossible to argue. I agree he’s got a great foundation around him, but they were “solid and complimentary” The years prior as well and had almost no playoff success.

 

[DaBruinz]

The cap hit started last year and they won a Super Bowl. Also saying their cash spending wasn’t near the top helps my argument, that means the quarterback separates them from other middling spending teams

No. It doesn't help your argument. That's you pulling BS out of your arse.

They won the Super Bowl, and they didn’t prioritize juju because he’s not that good. You’re implying they couldn’t afford to pay $16 mil to a player

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating fact. You'd know this if your head wasn't buried so far up your own arse that you couldn't tell fact from fiction. The fact is that they not only lost Smith-Shuster, but they weren't able to retain either starting OT. They were only able to replace ONE. And the player they signed, they are moving to LT when he's played RT for the first 4 years of his career.

You claiming that Smith-Schuster is "not that good" is a joke. He was the Chiefs best WR. He led the WRs in catches and was 2nd to Kelce in Yards. Your statement shows that you're judgement is based on Fantasy Football stats and not what the person actually does on the field.

Whatever you say bud, hurts elevated that team

Did Hurts elevate that team or did he benefit from the ton of talent around him? You know. Having 3 competent WRs, 2 competent TEs, 3 capable RBs and a capable O-Line. Not to mention the ton of talent they had on Defense ( They lost 5 starters on defense, BTW).

What are the flaws? You haven’t really pointed any out

Sure I have and so have others. You're completely ignorant on the actual game of football. You're completely ignorant about the Salary Cap. Your evaluation of players is complete garbage. It's so bad that you make Capt Stone look like a savant.

Not really sure if you have your years right bud, but you making the argument that only 2/3 years after Brady left have been dysfunctional isn’t really great

One correction. 2008 instead of 2011

FACTS:
2008 : Matt Cassel Started 15 of 16 games with Brady Injured.
2016: Brady suspended. Garappolo and Brissett start 4 games. Pats go 3-1
2021: Jones and the Pats went 10-7.

You're the one who isn't making a great argument or using actual facts. You're also the one who claimed them to be "dysfunctional" and I disagree with your assessment. Hence my putting it in quotes.

Excuse

Excuse

Excuse

Typical jackass who doesn't know shyte from shiola. You claim that FACTS are "excuses" because you aren't intelligent enough to put together a cogent argument. Everything I stated that you called an excuse is actual fact.

I didn’t say they did…I do know what separates the chiefs from the patriots is world class quarterback play

You said nothing about that being the difference between the Patriots and Chiefs until now. And, again, it has NOTHING to do with Cash spending by the Patriots. So it's completely off topic.

OH. And yes, you implied it.

All you’ve done is cry and tell me I’m wrong; while you haven’t disputed anything I’ve said or facts to back up your argument.

*ROFLMAO* The only person "crying" here is you. Because multiple people have taken you to task over you BS statements. Unlike you, I stated multiple facts. You either ignored them OR you claimed they were "excuses" as a way to dismiss valid points. YOU are the one who hasn't presented anything that looks remotely close to a real argument. All you've done is say "Because I said so". You're the typical faux fan who doesn't understand the facets of the game or have a basic understanding of the salary cap. So you run your mouth with bogus claims and think you're making arguments when in reality you're spewing garbage that has nothing to do with anything.

 

[DaBruinz]

maybe, maybe not…one thing we do know is Mahomes has guaranteed them a spot in the final 4 every year that he’s played…with 5 different rosters

Rosters are different every year for every team. You stating "with 5 different rosters" as if that makes it some how magical is just laughable.

 

[All3Phases]

Rosters are different every year for every team. You stating "with 5 different rosters" as if that makes it some how magical is just laughable.

No kidding, how many other teams have been to 5 straight Champ games at worst in consecutive years...Show me and ill show you a team with a great quarterback

 

[All3Phases]

No. It doesn't help your argument. That's you pulling BS out of your arse.

Yes it certainly does, another non argument by you, wasting everybodys time

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating fact. You'd know this if your head wasn't buried so far up your own arse that you couldn't tell fact from fiction. The fact is that they not only lost Smith-Shuster, but they weren't able to retain either starting OT. They were only able to replace ONE. And the player they signed, they are moving to LT when he's played RT for the first 4 years of his career.

You are saying its factual that the Chiefs couldnt afford JuJu? Again, keep rambling off all of their acquisitions and how theyre still dominating the league...Thanks Patrick!

You claiming that Smith-Schuster is "not that good" is a joke. He was the Chiefs best WR. He led the WRs in catches and was 2nd to Kelce in Yards. Your statement shows that you're judgement is based on Fantasy Football stats and not what the person actually does on the field.

He is a world class mediocre receiver...whos career was revived by Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

Did Hurts elevate that team or did he benefit from the ton of talent around him? You know. Having 3 competent WRs, 2 competent TEs, 3 capable RBs and a capable O-Line. Not to mention the ton of talent they had on Defense ( They lost 5 starters on defense, BTW).

Uh, ya he did elevate them LMAOO. They went 16-2 with him and 0-2 without him...Team was so competent they couldnt win a game when he wasnt playing...Again, good argument

Sure I have and so have others. You're completely ignorant on the actual game of football. You're completely ignorant about the Salary Cap. Your evaluation of players is complete garbage. It's so bad that you make Capt Stone look like a savant.

Im still waiting for you to respond to anything with a relevant argument...I guess ill keep waiting. You can start by explaining how Mahomes taking up 17% of the cap has hurt the Chiefs so far...Theyre 1/1 winning super bowls

One correction. 2008 instead of 2011

FACTS:
2008 : Matt Cassel Started 15 of 16 games with Brady Injured.
2016: Brady suspended. Garappolo and Brissett start 4 games. Pats go 3-1
2021: Jones and the Pats went 10-7.

Yes, one correction...Your mistake. 2008 Missed Playoffs, 2021 10-8 Blown out in WC...Then you skipped over 2020 and 2022...Theyre 25-26 since Brady left. Theyre irrelevant right now. I know its tough for you to face that fact

You're the one who isn't making a great argument or using actual facts. You're also the one who claimed them to be "dysfunctional" and I disagree with your assessment. Hence my putting it in quotes.

You are free to disagree

Typical jackass who doesn't know shyte from shiola. You claim that FACTS are "excuses" because you aren't intelligent enough to put together a cogent argument. Everything I stated that you called an excuse is actual fact.

Sorry, you are an excuse maker...Randomly things went wrong each of these years to make them dysfunctional, yet the 18 other years Brady was here, everything was Rainbows and sunshine...You could go through every team every year and find an unlucky break or adversity with them, good teams overcome that...The patriots arent good

You said nothing about that being the difference between the Patriots and Chiefs until now. And, again, it has NOTHING to do with Cash spending by the Patriots. So it's completely off topic.

the first post i responded to was saying the Patriots, Chiefs and Eagles spending wasnt much different...I said the correlation to those teams being good and the Patriots not being good is the elite qb play for the most part...not the spending. Welcome to the conversation bozo

OH. And yes, you implied it.



*ROFLMAO* The only person "crying" here is you. Because multiple people have taken you to task over you BS statements. Unlike you, I stated multiple facts. You either ignored them OR you claimed they were "excuses" as a way to dismiss valid points. YOU are the one who hasn't presented anything that looks remotely close to a real argument. All you've done is say "Because I said so". You're the typical faux fan who doesn't understand the facets of the game or have a basic understanding of the salary cap. So you run your mouth with bogus claims and think you're making arguments when in reality you're spewing garbage that has nothing to do with anything.

You sound like an infant, continue to weep

 

[Wozzy]

And they won a Super Bowl, they’ve been to 5 straight afccgs, 3 SB and 2 wins since he took over. You telling me he makes a lot of money isn’t helping your argument here

I’m literally telling you the opposite.

Mahomes hadn’t made real money until his deal was signed, the team kicked his cap hit on his new deal down the road so they didn’t have to start making tough financial decisions until last season and his cap hit is still rising.

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them, that’s the point. The eagles well run team was 0-2 when hurts didn’t play.

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them in 2022 because Reid is brilliant and didn’t flinch when it came to trading Tyreek Hill. He’ll need those picks, those cheap rookie contracts and he’ll need to draft well. Reid isn’t Les Snead with the Rams, Reid is smart.

Apparently not, the chiefs have been well run and well coached since Reid got there, and won nothing until mahomes played…the eagles were 0-2 without Hurts last year. The patriots aren’t really functional without Brady, did the great coaching and developing start and stop randomly in these situations?

The Chiefs won nothing until they drafted DT Chris Jones either. Yeah… good players win games at every position.

You can save your excuses here. The qb not being a problem doesn’t mean he’s able to elevate the team

I showed you two seasons where Brees and Watson led the entire league in passing, were arguably the best QB’s in the NFL and won single digit games.

Calling something “an excuse” is a lazy way for you to disregard facts you can’t dance around. The Patriots need good to great QB play… I just described all 32 teams and it’s true of every position if a ring is the goal. Nobody ever said you can win with bad QB play.

Your “QB cures everything” take for every subject discussed on this site is utter nonsense. Stafford played for 12 seasons in Detroit and didn’t win a single playoff game. One season with the Rams and he wins 4 playoff games including a Super Bowl. He needed a team a lot more than they needed him, Goff had them there a season prior.

You have no clue how good Mac or Zappe can be.

 

[All3Phases]

I’m literally telling you the opposite.

Mahomes hadn’t made real money until his deal was signed, the team kicked his cap hit on his new deal down the road so they didn’t have to start making tough financial decisions until last season and his cap hit is still rising

And they won the super bowl...Not really sure what youre arguing here, theyre going to be competitive almost every year because of Mahomes, just like the Patriots were because of Brady, despite roster turnover year after year.

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them in 2022 because Reid is brilliant and didn’t flinch when it came to trading Tyreek Hill. He’ll need those picks, those cheap rookie contracts and he’ll need to draft well. Reid isn’t Les Snead with the Rams, Reid is smart.

And Mahomes is brilliant

The Chiefs won nothing until they drafted DT Chris Jones either. Yeah… good players win games at every position.

Sure, Chris Jones leading the mediocre defense is as important as Mahomes who touches the ball every offensive snap...Gotcha

I showed you two seasons where Brees and Watson led the entire league in passing, were arguably the best QB’s in the NFL and won single digit games.

Sweet, is this supposed to mean something in the argument? We are talking about the Chiefs (and Eagles which you ignored)

Calling something “an excuse” is a lazy way for you to disregard facts you can’t dance around. The Patriots need good to great QB play… I just described all 32 teams and it’s true of every position if a ring is the goal. Nobody ever said you can win with bad QB play.

Your “QB cures everything” take for every subject discussed on this site is utter nonsense. Stafford played for 12 seasons in Detroit and didn’t win a single playoff game. One season with the Rams and he wins 4 playoff games including a Super Bowl. He needed a team a lot more than they needed him, Goff had them there a season prior.

Not all quarterbacks are created equal...The battery of Mahomes and Reid is what will make them contenders year in and year out.. Reid and Mahomes are pushing into the echelon of BB and Brady. As long as theyre functioning, theyre going to contend.

But to your Rams point, ya Stafford joined a great team that McVay turned around instantly, and were contenders when he wasnt there. He was still great in their super bowl year though

Lets put it this way, who are the 5 best quarterbacks of the last 20 years, in your opinion?

You have no clue how good Mac or Zappe can be.

OK, I do know that Mac has been mediocre 2 seasons into his career.

 

[Wozzy]

And they won the super bowl...Not really sure what youre arguing here, theyre going to be competitive almost every year because of Mahomes, just like the Patriots were because of Brady, despite roster turnover year after year.

The Chiefs were competitive with Alex Smith. The Pats won six rings when Brady was paid like a 6th round rookie and at the end of his run when he took less money and the team was kicking cap down the road.

The decade in between from 2005-2013 while Brady was among the highest paid players in the league they were competitive but didn’t win rings.

The salary cap is real, it exists and has to be contended with. QB’s are important, they’re also the most expensive position in the league. The Chiefs will continue to be competitive as long as Andy Reid is there and drafting well. With Mahomes contract they’ll need to cut corners everywhere else. That’s why their WR group is a bunch of cheap castoffs from other teams.

And Mahomes is brilliant

Reid is brilliant, Mahomes is a conduit for Reid’s genius. They have the most expensive offensive line in the league. It’s a team game.

Sure, Chris Jones leading the mediocre defense is as important as Mahomes who touches the ball every offensive snap...Gotcha

4x All Pro/Pro Bowl DT Chris Jones is to the defense what Mahomes is to the offense.

Mahomes doesn’t play D, he doesn’t make tackles, didn’t have 15 sacks last season, he doesn’t cover or intercept.

Learn the game.

Sweet, is this supposed to mean something in the argument? We are talking about the Chiefs (and Eagles which you ignored)

They were the best QB’s in the league in 2016 and 2020… they couldn’t elevate **** because the teams around them weren’t good.

It means something, you just can’t explain the paradox of the best QB’s in the league winning single digit games when you just told us a superior QB fixes everything… of course you won’t talk about it… you actively avoid it.

I spoke about the Chiefs and Eagles in great detail. You’re attributing the success of great teams to one magical player…. it’s nonsesne. It takes a team.

Not all quarterbacks are created equal...The battery of Mahomes and Reid is what will make them contenders year in and year out.. Reid and Mahomes are pushing into the echelon of BB and Brady. As long as theyre functioning, theyre going to contend.

Mahomes would look like garbage with Patricia as his offensive coordinator.

But to your Rams point, ya Stafford joined a great team that McVay turned around instantly, and were contenders when he wasnt there. He was still great in their super bowl year though

Stafford threw two interceptions, the game was a defensive battle.

OK, I do know that Mac has been mediocre 2 seasons into his career.

Mac played well as a rookie, most rookie QB’s don’t play. They usually sit and watch like Mahomes, Rogers and Brady did.

Last season Patricia was a disaster, hardly a normal season. If Mac plays poorly Zappe will get some starts. You have no clue how good or bad either of these guys will become… you’re just pretending to know. Josh Allen was widely considered a bust after two seasons, now he is a magical unicorn. Prospects get developed.

 

[All3Phases]

The Chiefs were competitive with Alex Smith. The Pats won six rings when Brady was paid like a 6th round rookie and at the end of his run when he took less money and the team was kicking cap down the road.

They were playoff contenders, they were 1-4 in the playoffs under Reid/Smith...Far cry from 11-3, 5 straight AFCCG 3SBs/2x Winners in 5 years. And the Smith teams had much better defenses.

The decade in between from 2005-2013 while Brady was among the highest paid players in the league they were competitive but didn’t win rings.

They were very competitive, they played in multiple super bowls and many CGs...To narrow it down to Bradys play seems like a stretch.

The salary cap is real, it exists and has to be contended with. QB’s are important, they’re also the most expensive position in the league. The Chiefs will continue to be competitive as long as Andy Reid is there and drafting well. With Mahomes contract they’ll need to cut corners everywhere else. That’s why their WR group is a bunch of cheap castoffs from other teams.

So we agree, theyll be competitive as long as Mahomes is breathing

Reid is brilliant, Mahomes is a conduit for Reid’s genius. They have the most expensive offensive line in the league. It’s a team game.

Agree Reid is Brilliant, just not brilliant enough to win super bowls without Mahomes. Its ok to admit that the guy who touches the ball every play is a majorly vital piece to the team

4x All Pro/Pro Bowl DT Chris Jones is to the defense what Mahomes is to the offense.

Their defense is not nearly as good as their offense...Not really a comparison

Mahomes doesn’t play D, he doesn’t make tackles, didn’t have 15 sacks last season, he doesn’t cover or intercept.

Learn the game.

They were the best QB’s in the league in 2016 and 2020… they couldn’t elevate **** because the teams around them weren’t good.

It means something, you just can’t explain the paradox of the best QB’s in the league winning single digit games when you just told us a superior QB fixes everything… of course you won’t talk about it… you actively avoid it.

I spoke about the Chiefs and Eagles in great detail. You’re attributing the success of great teams to one magical player…. it’s nonsesne. It takes a team.

You said the Eagles were well run and coached...thats not great detail. They were 0-2 with a really good backup. Hurts is what made them elite

Mahomes would look like garbage with Patricia as his offensive coordinator.

Something you cant prove

Stafford threw two interceptions, the game was a defensive battle.

He completed 70% of his passes, 9tds/3ints with a 108 rating in the playoffs...Thats pretty great if you asked me, didnt teleport to the super bowl

Mac played well as a rookie, most rookie QB’s don’t play. They usually sit and watch like Mahomes, Rogers and Brady did.

Last season Patricia was a disaster, hardly a normal season. If Mac plays poorly Zappe will get some starts. You have no clue how good or bad either of these guys will become… you’re just pretending to know. Josh Allen was widely considered a bust after two seasons, now he is a magical unicorn. Prospects get developed.

Ive said I didnt know what theyll become, not sure what youre arguing here...But if youre hoping for the Josh allen growth...I have a bridge to sell you

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes it certainly does, another non argument by you, wasting everybodys time

YOU are the one wasting everyone's time. Because it didn't help your argument because your argument has nothing to do with the actual thread. Get a f'in clue.

You are saying its factual that the Chiefs couldnt afford JuJu? Again, keep rambling off all of their acquisitions and how theyre still dominating the league...Thanks Patrick!

They haven't dominated anything this year. They just lost both starting tackles, their best WR, and their starting safety. They've not replaced one OT or the WR and down-graded at safety from Thornhill to Mike Edwards.

He is a world class mediocre receiver...whos career was revived by Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.

Maybe in Fantasy football he's a "mediocre receiver". But that's not real life. Claiming that Mahomes saved JJSS's career is f'in laughable and shows you don't have a f'in clue.

Uh, ya he did elevate them LMAOO. They went 16-2 with him and 0-2 without him...Team was so competent they couldnt win a game when he wasnt playing...Again, good argument

Says the guy NOT actually making an relevent argument. If Hurts elevated them, why did the team only go 8-7 with him in 2021? And they did win a game without him. Unlike YOU, I don't over-look the fact that they added an ELITE receiver in AJ Brown to the team. THAT is what elevated that offense. Not Hurts.

Im still waiting for you to respond to anything with a relevant argument...I guess ill keep waiting. You can start by explaining how Mahomes taking up 17% of the cap has hurt the Chiefs so far...Theyre 1/1 winning super bowls

I'm the one talking about the actual thread topic. You're the one running your mouth about nothing but BS that has ZERO to do with the topic of the PATS Cash Spending.

Yes, one correction...Your mistake. 2008 Missed Playoffs, 2021 10-8 Blown out in WC...Then you skipped over 2020 and 2022...Theyre 25-26 since Brady left. Theyre irrelevant right now. I know its tough for you to face that fact

Unlike YOU, I admit when I make mistakes. I didn't skip over anything, dumbass. I acknowledged them in my Original OP.

They aren't irrelevant. They show you're talking out your ass.

You are free to disagree

Sorry, you are an excuse maker...Randomly things went wrong each of these years to make them dysfunctional, yet the 18 other years Brady was here, everything was Rainbows and sunshine...You could go through every team every year and find an unlucky break or adversity with them, good teams overcome that...The patriots arent good

ROFLMAO. You don't know the difference between a FACT and an Excuse. An unlucky break is losing a Stating OT or starting QB at the start of the season. Being forced to use 5 different RTs because of injury is something no team has ever over-come to put up a winning record. The fact that the Patriots could have easily been 10-7 again instead of 8-9 should tell you that the team isn't as bad as you claim.

If you feel they are so bad, then leave. We'd all be happy with one less troll on the board.

the first post i responded to was saying the Patriots, Chiefs and Eagles spending wasnt much different...I said the correlation to those teams being good and the Patriots not being good is the elite qb play for the most part...not the spending. Welcome to the conversation bozo

Your first post doesn't f'in matter. It's not what I responded to. Everything you've blathered since I posted has been about the Chiefs being great because of Mahomes. It has zero to do with the Patriots cap spending. Calling me a "bozo" because you're too stupid to stay on topic just shows you're a troll.

You sound like an infant, continue to weep

You're projecting your feelings onto others. YOU are the one sounding like the infant. Because you can't handle facts that destroy your idiotic takes. Try learning something about the game and the salary cap instead of blowing Mahomes the way you have.

 

[All3Phases]

YOU are the one wasting everyone's time. Because it didn't help your argument because your argument has nothing to do with the actual thread. Get a f'in clue.

What are you responding for?

They haven't dominated anything this year. They just lost both starting tackles, their best WR, and their starting safety. They've not replaced one OT or the WR and down-graded at safety from Thornhill to Mike Edwards.

Gotcha ignore year 1 while mahomes Cap hit was huge because it doesn’t suit your argument. You can’t erase history, glad to know you’ll think they suck in 2023 though, it’ll be because of their cap situation for sure

Maybe in Fantasy football he's a "mediocre receiver". But that's not real life. Claiming that Mahomes saved JJSS's career is f'in laughable and shows you don't have a f'in clue.

Explain to me how he’s great

Says the guy NOT actually making an relevent argument. If Hurts elevated them, why did the team only go 8-7 with him in 2021? And they did win a game without him. Unlike YOU, I don't over-look the fact that they added an ELITE receiver in AJ Brown to the team. THAT is what elevated that offense. Not Hurts.

“If hurts elevated the team” LMAOOOO. And no, Minshew didn’t win a game while hurts was out. You are having some trouble with the facts today

I'm the one talking about the actual thread topic. You're the one running your mouth about nothing but BS that has ZERO to do with the topic of the PATS Cash Spending.

I made one post in which you threw a tantrum over, and it did have an overarching point with the cash spending. You refuse to care because you’re a sensitive little baby

Unlike YOU, I admit when I make mistakes. I didn't skip over anything, dumbass. I acknowledged them in my Original OP.

I don’t make mistakes

They aren't irrelevant. They show you're talking out your ass.





ROFLMAO. You don't know the difference between a FACT and an Excuse. An unlucky break is losing a Stating OT or starting QB at the start of the season. Being forced to use 5 different RTs because of injury is something no team has ever over-come to put up a winning record. The fact that the Patriots could have easily been 10-7 again instead of 8-9 should tell you that the team isn't as bad as you claim.

“could have” is your argument. You could have fact checked your posts; but you chose not to. See how easy that is?

If you feel they are so bad, then leave. We'd all be happy with one less troll on the board.

You’re now a troll if you think 25-26 is bad. Wow

Your first post doesn't f'in matter. It's not what I responded to. Everything you've blathered since I posted has been about the Chiefs being great because of Mahomes. It has zero to do with the Patriots cap spending. Calling me a "bozo" because you're too stupid to stay on topic just shows you're a troll.

You’re responding a lot to a poster that doesn’t matter

You're projecting your feelings onto others. YOU are the one sounding like the infant. Because you can't handle facts that destroy your idiotic takes. Try learning something about the game and the salary cap instead of blowing Mahomes the way you have.

What feelings? You mean my opinion? I’m still waiting for you to post a fact that helps your argument. It’s been a while

 

[DaBruinz]

What are you responding for?

Gotcha ignore year 1 while mahomes Cap hit was huge because it doesn’t suit your argument. You can’t erase history, glad to know you’ll think they suck in 2023 though, it’ll be because of their cap situation for sure

I haven't ignored ANYTHING. I'm not you. I'm not the one erasing anything.
The fact that you think that their cap situation has NOTHING to do with their ability to resign their best players speaks volumes about your ineptitude.

Explain to me how he’s great

Never said he was "great". You're the one claiming he was garbage and "mediocre".

“If hurts elevated the team” LMAOOOO. And no, Minshew didn’t win a game while hurts was out. You are having some trouble with the facts today

Yes, Minshew did WIN a game in 2021 when Hurts was out. Try READING what is said and then doing some actual research.

Philadelphia Eagles at New York Jets - December 5th, 2021 | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Nope. I'm not having problems with facts. That's you. As it has been since you started posting on this board.

I made one post in which you threw a tantrum over, and it did have an overarching point with the cash spending. You refuse to care because you’re a sensitive little baby

I didn't throw any sort of tantrum. That was you because you couldn't handle someone showing that you were talking about your ass.
No. The post I responded did not have an "overarching point with cap spending."

I don’t make mistakes

Now you're a liar as well. Not only have you made plenty of mistakes and numerous people have called you out on them, now you're lying about not making them. Right above I just PROVED you made a mistake.

“could have” is your argument. You could have fact checked your posts; but you chose not to. See how easy that is?

You’re now a troll if you think 25-26 is bad. Wow

Now you're putting words in people's mouths. No one said anything of the sort. You're a troll because you insist on derailing the thread to talk about the F'in Chiefs instead of staying on topic. Go to the Chiefs forums if you want to talk about them,.

You’re responding a lot to a poster that doesn’t matter

More reading comprehension issues on your part. I said your OP didn't matter because that wasn't what I responded to.

What feelings? You mean my opinion? I’m still waiting for you to post a fact that helps your argument. It’s been a while

I've posted so many facts that helped my argument it's ridiculous. You're the one unwilling/unable to admit to being wrong. But I'm not surprised since we've now established that you're a liar as well as a fact ignorer.

 

[All3Phases]

I haven't ignored ANYTHING. I'm not you. I'm not the one erasing anything.
The fact that you think that their cap situation has NOTHING to do with their ability to resign their best players speaks volumes about your ineptitude.

That’s literally never been my argument, the fact that you think it is, is your emotion taking over your brain. Their success hasn’t wavered in 5 years. Why? They lost players last year before and during the year, how did they keep winning?

Never said he was "great". You're the one claiming he was garbage and "mediocre".

When did I say garbage?

Yes, Minshew did WIN a game in 2021 when Hurts was out. Try READING what is said and then doing some actual research.

Nobody was talking about 2021, you had to go back their because of how pathetic your argument is

Philadelphia Eagles at New York Jets - December 5th, 2021 | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Nope. I'm not having problems with facts. That's you. As it has been since you started posting on this board.




I didn't throw any sort of tantrum. That was you because you couldn't handle someone showing that you were talking about your ass.
No. The post I responded did not have an "overarching point with cap spending."


Now you're a liar as well. Not only have you made plenty of mistakes and numerous people have called you out on them, now you're lying about not making them. Right above I just PROVED you made a mistake.

Explain to me where I was talking about 2021, and I’ll admit I made a mistake…otherwise; you’re having to take stats from a year that nobody mentioned…because the eagles were 16-2 with Hurts and 0-2 without him. Continue to weep

Now you're putting words in people's mouths. No one said anything of the sort. You're a troll because you insist on derailing the thread to talk about the F'in Chiefs instead of staying on topic. Go to the Chiefs forums if you want to talk about them,.

You’ve done a ton of derailing yourself here troll

More reading comprehension issues on your part. I said your OP didn't matter because that wasn't what I responded to.


I've posted so many facts that helped my argument it's ridiculous. You're the one unwilling/unable to admit to being wrong. But I'm not surprised since we've now established that you're a liar as well as a fact ignorer.

derailing continues

 

[Wozzy]

They were playoff contenders, they were 1-4 in the playoffs under Reid/Smith...Far cry from 11-3, 5 straight AFCCG 3SBs/2x Winners in 5 years. And the Smith teams had much better defenses.

They were very competitive, they played in multiple super bowls and many CGs...To narrow it down to Bradys play seems like a stretch.

They also didn't have Chris Jones, a far superior offensive line or defense nearly as good as later teams... but QB is the only difference. Sounds legit.

So what you're saying is KC's playoff record prior to Mahomes arrival falls entirely on Alex Smith, but the Patriots record from 2005-2013 doesn't fall on Brady? Makes sense... QB's make all the difference unless a superior QB in your mind fails... at that point it's somebody else's fault.

So we agree, theyll be competitive as long as Mahomes is breathing

When Mahomes got hurt in 2019 Reid went 2-1 with Matt Moore, who threw 4 TD's/zero INT's and had 102.1 QB Rating. He won with Alex Smith, Mike Vick post jail and Donovan McNabb. Reid can make offense out of anything, even if Mahomes is superior to all these guys.

If Mahomes offensive line or defense collapses due to injury... the Chiefs won't win. This isn't a Disney movie.

Agree Reid is Brilliant, just not brilliant enough to win super bowls without Mahomes. Its ok to admit that the guy who touches the ball every play is a majorly vital piece to the team

Win Super Bowls... the Pats with Brady didn't win a Super Bowl with Brady for a decade straight. Make up your mind... it's either magical unicorn QB's or it's not. I think your take is garbage and it comes down to complete team, history supports this completely.

Their defense is not nearly as good as their offense...Not really a comparison

Yet still good. The Chiefs wouldn't win crap without Chris Jones either.

You said the Eagles were well run and coached...thats not great detail. They were 0-2 with a really good backup. Hurts is what made them elite

Their entire offense was built around an RPO QB and a drop back passer was forced into the lineup. The Eagles recognized this and fixed it by bringing Marcus Mariota in as a backup this offseason. System fit matters.

Something you cant prove

Sure... the Pats with the same exact QB went from 6th in scoring in 2021 to 25th in 2022, near dead last in offensive penalties in 2021 to top of the league in 2022... but coaching played no part in that. You're delusional.

He completed 70% of his passes, 9tds/3ints with a 108 rating in the playoffs...Thats pretty great if you asked me, didnt teleport to the super bowl

You said Stafford played well in the Super Bowl. Stop moving the goalposts.

The Ram's defense allowed 18 PPG and forced the third most turnovers in the playoffs, they didn't teleport there either. The Super Bowl was a modern version of a defensive battle. The Rams defense sacked Joe Burrow 7 times. It wasn't a magic QB, it was the defense... the better QB lost... again.

Ive said I didnt know what theyll become, not sure what youre arguing here...But if youre hoping for the Josh allen growth...I have a bridge to sell you

Josh Allen has how many Super Bowl victories? The goal posts only seem to matter when you're trying to make a point.

QB's aren't magic, you want great, you can win with good.

The Chiefs and Eagles were great teams in 2022, attributing it entirely to one player is reductionist fanboy garbage.

 

[All3Phases]

They also didn't have Chris Jones, a far superior offensive line or defense nearly as good as later teams... but QB is the only difference. Sounds legit.

The defenses were much better? What world? Here’s the point per drive from years 13-17 by rank. 5,7,7,8,21. This resulted in 1-4 in playoffs games. Here’s from 18-22 with mahomes. 28,12,13,19, 21st. Might want to brush up on the facts before making that bold of a claim

So what you're saying is KC's playoff record prior to Mahomes arrival falls entirely on Alex Smith, but the Patriots record from 2005-2013 doesn't fall on Brady? Makes sense... QB's make all the difference unless a superior QB in your mind fails... at that point it's somebody else's fault.

I didn’t say it was all of anybody’s anything. Smith wasn’t good enough to elevate the chiefs teams consistently. I’m sure there’s an alternate universe out there where he and Reid ran into a ring. Not in earth though

I also meant Brady’s “pay” not “play”- He was certainly not perfect every week.

When Mahomes got hurt in 2019 Reid went 2-1 with Matt Moore, who threw 4 TD's/zero INT's and had 102.1 QB Rating. He won with Alex Smith, Mike Vick post jail and Donovan McNabb. Reid can make offense out of anything, even if Mahomes is superior to all these guys.

Reid is a great coach, I’ll say it again. Your definition of winning seems to be stretching awfully far now though. He won Super Bowls with Mahomes, he’s dominated with him, built a dynasty with him. He was good with the others.

If Mahomes offensive line or defense collapses due to injury... the Chiefs won't win. This isn't a Disney movie.

But they’ll always be competitive, just like the patriots were with Brady. Through roster turnover, bad drafts, injuries and cap casualties…they’ll always be competitive as long as Mahomes is there

Win Super Bowls... the Pats with Brady didn't win a Super Bowl with Brady for a decade straight. Make up your mind... it's either magical unicorn QB's or it's not. I think your take is garbage and it comes down to complete team, history supports this completely.

You are free to disagree. I have never said the rest of his team didnt matter, just that he is the piece the success revolves around

Yet still good. The Chiefs wouldn't win crap without Chris Jones either.

How could they ever win without a mediocre defense? Its basically all hes anchored since hes joined the league. Meanwhile, we can compare it to the offenses?

Their entire offense was built around an RPO QB and a drop back passer was forced into the lineup. The Eagles recognized this and fixed it by bringing Marcus Mariota in as a backup this offseason. System fit matters.

So they couldn’t win a game with their backup, who is a very good backup

Sure... the Pats with the same exact QB went from 6th in scoring in 2021 to 25th in 2022, near dead last in offensive penalties in 2021 to top of the league in 2022... but coaching played no part in that. You're delusional.

It definitely did, not sure what you’re talking about

You said Stafford played well in the Super Bowl. Stop moving the goalposts.

I said in their Super Bowl year. You must’ve missed that.

The Ram's defense allowed 18 PPG and forced the third most turnovers in the playoffs, they didn't teleport there either. The Super Bowl was a modern version of a defensive battle. The Rams defense sacked Joe Burrow 7 times. It wasn't a magic QB, it was the defense... the better QB lost... again.

Stafford threw 50 touchdowns in 2021. Glad you’re pinpointing 1 game though

Josh Allen has how many Super Bowl victories? The goal posts only seem to matter when you're trying to make a point.

What goalposts? The patriots can’t beat the bills anymore, why do you think that is? Sean McDermott?

QB's aren't magic, you want great, you can win with good.

If that makes you feel better; more power to you

The Chiefs and Eagles were great teams in 2022, attributing it entirely to one player is reductionist fanboy garbage.

I didn’t attribute anything to 1 player. But the most credit and influence should go to the 2 MVP candidates. The chiefs were a great offense and a mediocre defense though, allowed 25 Ppg in the playoffs. Not very good