Patriots are 27/32 on cash tracker for this year as of 4-18

[Sciz]

If the Patriots extend Dugger, Onwenu, and Uche each with a $20M signing bonus, they could jump to #6 in cash spending while putting the exact same players on the field this season. Would that make people feel better?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Spending in FA has never been the way to build a team, but used to find that player to put a team over the top.

I'd rather see Bill draft better, get impact players on cheap deals and then pay those players. This team does not have guys that they have to keep.

 

[All3Phases]

I noticed Super Bowl teams KC and Philly only spent $15-18m more. The Jets spent $65m more and what did they really have to show for it? The recurring theme seems to be that there isn’t a lot of correlation between cash spending and success.

I’m no expert, but cash spending and cap spending are very different.

Fwiw, I’d rather build through the draft. Less than stellar drafting was a bigger problem with the Pats the last 5 years.

The correlation is having great quarterbacks, there’s a reason the chiefs can get rid of their generational weapon and not skip a beat.

 

[Wozzy]

The correlation is having great quarterbacks, there’s a reason the chiefs can get rid of their generational weapon and not skip a beat.

The Chiefs had to get rid of their generational weapon or they would have had a great QB, a great WR and not much else.

The Eagles spent a load on AJ Brown and surrounding team because Jalen Hurts was on his rookie deal and would have to get paid soon. He was getting paid peanuts.

You put everything on the QB position, regardless of whether it’s pertinent or not.

Drew Brees 2016 NFL rankings:
Passing Yards: #1
Passing TD's: 3rd
QB Rating: 5th
Record: 7 wins

Deshaun Watson 2020 NFL rankings:
Passing Yards: #1
Passing TD's: 6th
QB Rating: 2nd
Record: 4 wins

All these ^ teams needed was a great QB… right?

Good grief…

 

[TomPatriot]

The correlation is having great quarterbacks, there’s a reason the chiefs can get rid of their generational weapon and not skip a beat.

How did the Rams and Broncos win with Matthew Stafford and the corpse of Peyton Manning? Having a great QB helps, but it's not the whole story. Neither is spending.

 

[All3Phases]

The Chiefs had to get rid of their generational weapon or they would have had a great QB, a great WR and not much else.

And they would’ve been competitive, just like they’ve been since mahomes stepped foot on the field. Coincidence?

The Eagles spent a load on AJ Brown and surrounding team because Jalen Hurts was on his rookie deal and would have to get paid soon. He was getting paid peanuts.

Now he doesn’t make peanuts and neither does AJ brown. They were awful when Hurts wasn’t on the field

You put everything on the QB position, regardless of whether it’s pertinent or not.

Drew Brees 2016 NFL rankings:
Passing Yards: #1
Passing TD's: 3rd
QB Rating: 5th
Record: 7 wins

Deshaun Watson 2020 NFL rankings:
Passing Yards: #1
Passing TD's: 6th
QB Rating: 2nd
Record: 4 wins

All these ^ teams needed was a great QB… right?

Good grief…

I don’t put everything on the qb position, but it’s by far the most important piece to leading a continuously successful team. The patriots were a middle of the pack cash spending team for the entire era, like another member posted…and they won to unprecedented levels…now they spend the same and aren’t good. Do you have an idea as to what changed?

 

[All3Phases]

How did the Rams and Broncos win with Matthew Stafford and the corpse of Peyton Manning? Having a great QB helps, but it's not the whole story. Neither is spending.

Matt stafford was an mvp caliber qb in 2021, but like you said it’s not the whole story…but when somebody pointed out the chiefs only spent $18 mil more than the patriots, and they’ve been successful…well look at the quarterback is the answer

 

[Wozzy]

And they would’ve been competitive, just like they’ve been since mahomes stepped foot on the field. Coincidence?

Mahomes massive contract just started being a negative last season, prior to that he was on a rookie contract and his cap hit was tiny. Coincidence?

Now he doesn’t make peanuts and neither does AJ brown. They were awful when Hurts wasn’t on the field

Mahomes cap hit didn’t spike until last season, and they traded Tyreek. Hurts just signed his deal yesterday, his cap hit may not spike for another season or two. Once you get a basic understanding of the cap, you can begin to understand team building.

I don’t put everything on the qb position, but it’s by far the most important piece to leading a continuously successful team. The patriots were a middle of the pack cash spending team for the entire era, like another member posted…and they won to unprecedented levels…now they spend the same and aren’t good. Do you have an idea as to what changed?

The Chiefs and Eagles are extremely well run and well coached. That’s more important than a single magic player, great organizations find great players, not the other way around.

A great rookie QB like Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford can go to a crap team and nothing happens. Football starts at the top, management and coaching, then it filters down.

The Patriots have been rebuilding, we should begin to see the fruits of that now. They’re a year behind because of the Patricia debacle, but if they had McDaniels or Obie last year they probably make the playoffs again. The QB position was the least of their problems last year.

 

[All3Phases]

Mahomes massive contract just started being a negative last season, prior to that he was on a rookie contract and his cap hit was tiny. Coincidence?

And they won a Super Bowl, they’ve been to 5 straight afccgs, 3 SB and 2 wins since he took over. You telling me he makes a lot of money isn’t helping your argument here

Mahomes cap hit didn’t spike until last season, and they traded Tyreek. Hurts just signed his deal yesterday, his cap hit may not spike for another season or two. Once you get a basic understanding of the cap, you can begin to understand team building.

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them, that’s the point. The eagles well run team was 0-2 when hurts didn’t play.

The Chiefs and Eagles are extremely well run and well coached. That’s more important than a single magic player, great organizations find great players, not the other way around.

Apparently not, the chiefs have been well run and well coached since Reid got there, and won nothing until mahomes played…the eagles were 0-2 without Hurts last year. The patriots aren’t really functional without Brady, did the great coaching and developing start and stop randomly in these situations?

A great rookie QB like Andrew Luck or Matt Stafford can go to a crap team and nothing happens. Football starts at the top, management and coaching, then it filters down.

The Patriots have been rebuilding, we should begin to see the fruits of that now. They’re a year behind because of the Patricia debacle, but if they had McDaniels or Obie last year they probably make the playoffs again. The QB position was the least of their problems last year.

You can save your excuses here. The qb not being a problem doesn’t mean he’s able to elevate the team

 

[203Pat]

And they won a Super Bowl, they’ve been to 5 straight afccgs, 3 SB and 2 wins since he took over. You telling me he makes a lot of money isn’t helping your argument here

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them, that’s the point. The eagles well run team was 0-2 when hurts didn’t play.

Apparently not, the chiefs have been well run and well coached since Reid got there, and won nothing until mahomes played…the eagles were 0-2 without Hurts last year. The patriots aren’t really functional without Brady, did the great coaching and developing start and stop randomly in these situations?

You can save your excuses here. The qb not being a problem doesn’t mean he’s able to elevate the team

He thinks being a cap wizard is the way to win. Having a generational talent at QB has nothing to do with it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mahomes is actually a great example, the Chiefs roster is garbage. They had no business sniffing the Super Bowl.

 

[patman52]

The GOAT thinks it’s important

so

 

[DaBruinz]

At the end of NE's past season Bill was quoted as saying: "Over a three-year period, we are one of the lowest spending teams in the league.”Bill Belichick (01/09/23)

I am interpreting his answer to mean the 2020, 2021, and 2022 seasons.

Now we are into the 2023 season calendar year and the $$$ count indicates NE is a bottom 6 cash spender (as of now)

FOUR years running.
Confirmed by the teams HC/GM/Dictator

Hmmmmm.....
Anyone else starting to notice a pattern?

Yet, a certain entrenched contingent of fanboy fluffers continue to bury their heads in the sand (or up each others asses) and vehemently deny the team's lackluster spending which coincidently corresponds to the team's lackluster performance.

Refresh my memory on the below market salaries and unachievable incentive clauses GOAT Brady was subjected to in his final years before he finally said Phuck This Bull-Schitt and subsequently signed on for a few more million to play in Tampa?

You realy have no clue what you are talking about. If anyone has their head up their own arse, it's you.

You offer ZILCH in support of the idea that the CASH spending has anything to do with the results on the field. Nothing.

Maybe if you did some research and looked back at the Pats Cash spending during the 5 years of the most recent Dynasty and used that as a actual comparison, you might actually have an argument. Or, you might find out that the Cash spending does = Championships. Oh wait. It was already proven to you by others using the Rams as an example. But why bother with those facts, right?

Right now, you're claiming correlation = causation and that's not remotely true.

 

[DaBruinz]

And they won a Super Bowl, they’ve been to 5 straight afccgs, 3 SB and 2 wins since he took over. You telling me he makes a lot of money isn’t helping your argument here

It helps to actually READ. He said the Cap hits JUST started. Meaning that the Chiefs weren't paying out a lot for Mahomes. I think you'll also see that their cash spending wasn't near the top of the league with the other win.

Mahomes cap hit didn’t hurt them, that’s the point. The eagles well run team was 0-2 when hurts didn’t play.

Actually, it DID hurt the Chiefs. They were forced to trade one of their top WRs. They also weren't able to re-sign their top WR from 2022 in JJ Smith-Schuster.

You're throwing crap out there that has zero bearing on what is being discussed when it comes to Jalen Hurts.

Apparently not, the chiefs have been well run and well coached since Reid got there, and won nothing until mahomes played…the eagles were 0-2 without Hurts last year. The patriots aren’t really functional without Brady, did the great coaching and developing start and stop randomly in these situations?

I'm guessing you don't know much about football beyond playing Fantasy Football. The flaws in your "argument" are so big you could drop Gillette Stadium through it.
- To claim the Pats weren't functional w/o Brady ignores the 2011 season, the 2016 season and the 2021 season.
- 2020 was "disfunctional" because of Covid and Injuries.
- 2022 was "disfunctional" because Patricia at OC, Judge at QBC and having to use 5 different RTs. No team has ever used that many RTs and had a winning record.

You can save your excuses here. The qb not being a problem doesn’t mean he’s able to elevate the team

You and stuff you BS. You have no idea what MAC is capable of. And his abilities have zero to do with the Pats current Cash Spending.
Please go learn the game and learn something about the Salary Cap. You're too deficient in both to be making the comments that you are.

 

[All3Phases]

It helps to actually READ. He said the Cap hits JUST started. Meaning that the Chiefs weren't paying out a lot for Mahomes. I think you'll also see that their cash spending wasn't near the top of the league with the other win.

The cap hit started last year and they won a Super Bowl. Also saying their cash spending wasn’t near the top helps my argument, that means the quarterback separates them from other middling spending teams

Actually, it DID hurt the Chiefs. They were forced to trade one of their top WRs. They also weren't able to re-sign their top WR from 2022 in JJ Smith-Schuster.

They won the Super Bowl, and they didn’t prioritize juju because he’s not that good. You’re implying they couldn’t afford to pay $16 mil to a player

You're throwing crap out there that has zero bearing on what is being discussed when it comes to Jalen Hurts.

Whatever you say bud, hurts elevated that team

I'm guessing you don't know much about football beyond playing Fantasy Football. The flaws in your "argument" are so big you could drop Gillette Stadium through it.

What are the flaws? You haven’t really pointed any out

- To claim the Pats weren't functional w/o Brady ignores the 2011 season, the 2016 season and the 2021 season.

Not really sure if you have your years right bud, but you making the argument that only 2/3 years after Brady left have been dysfunctional isn’t really great

- 2020 was "disfunctional" because of Covid and Injuries.

Excuse

- 2022 was "disfunctional" because Patricia at OC, Judge at QBC and having to use 5 different RTs.

Excuse

No team has ever used that many RTs and had a winning record.

Excuse

You and stuff you BS. You have no idea what MAC is capable of. And his abilities have zero to do with the Pats current Cash Spending.

I didn’t say they did…I do know what separates the chiefs from the patriots is world class quarterback play

Please go learn the game and learn something about the Salary Cap. You're too deficient in both to be making the comments that you are.

All you’ve done is cry and tell me I’m wrong; while you haven’t disputed anything I’ve said or facts to back up your argument.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Mahomes is actually a great example, the Chiefs roster is garbage. They had no business sniffing the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs' roster has a top 4 OL, has a solid rookie (2022) RB, a hall of fame TE in his prime, and a solid but not spectacular group of receives.
SI ranks the 2023 Chiefs' skills group as 8th best, and that obviously didn't include Juju.

Their defense, while not great, is adequate and played well at critical moments. Far from garbage.

 

[WinstonSmith]

The correlation is having great quarterbacks, there’s a reason the chiefs can get rid of their generational weapon and not skip a beat.

One of the reasons is that they didn't get rid of the generational talent, they traded him for 5 draft picks, and then in turn had a magnificent draft, which translated to having 4 rookie starters in the super bowl.

 

[All3Phases]

One of the reasons is that they didn't get rid of the generational talent, they traded him for 5 draft picks, and then in turn had a magnificent draft, which translated to having 4 rookie starters in the super bowl.

And if mahomes was Alex smith, nobody would know any of those rookies and they wouldn’t have been in the Super Bowl, 3/4 contributed to a mediocre defense…they could be promising players, but mahomes is the reason they’re contenders year in and year out. They’ll continue to have roster turnover and will remain competitive; much like the patriots were

 

[WinstonSmith]

and if mahomes was Alex smith, nobody would know any of those rookies, 3/4 contributed to a mediocre defense…they could be promising players, but mahomes is the reason they’re contenders year in and year out. They’ll continue to have roster turnover and will remain competitive; much like the patriots were

Yes, Mahomes elivates the team to a certtain point, and if Alex Smith is the QB they don't win the super bowl, but if not for the return on the trade from Miami, and if not for the GM selecting quality players, most likely another team wins the super bowl.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

What does cash spent even mean as a barometer ? how much space you have now and the next year, and how how much dead money you have are the ones that matter to me.

It's largely pointless, for two reasons. First, teams have a cap floor of ~90% over multi-year spans. Second, if teams are rolling over money, they'll all ultimately spend more or less the exact same amount of money in the long run (i.e., over the 10 years of the CBA, the difference between the highest spending and lowest spending team will likely be <$10M/year).