Patriots Among Tops In Drafting 1st team All-Pro Selections

[archstanton543]

Well, yeah, but how many all pros has he picked in the last, say 5 years compared to other teams in the last 5 years.

Stretching the list out to 20 years is a bit silly. Sh!t, why stop at 20 years? Why not 30? Or 40?

 

[Ian]

Well, yeah, but how many all pros has he picked in the last, say 5 years compared to other teams in the last 5 years.

Stretching the list out to 20 years is a bit silly. Sh!t, why stop at 20 years? Why not 30? Or 40?

Tough to say. It wasn’t a Patriots-centric account that posted this, and I’m assuming it was done to paint a broader picture of all the teams listed.

 

[1960Pats]

Factual!! , BB said himself players win the games coaches loose them..

And we saw that played out right before our eyes with Brady in TB. He won a SB with a coaching staff that was somewhere between Kukla, Fran and Ollie and Moe, Larry and Curley. People here scoffed at those coaches endlessly before Brady helped carried them to a SB title. Then when Brady was on the doorstep of another possible SB his team lost because of the coach. It was all right there for everyone to see.

Now my question. Does Bill actually believe that or is he just blowing smoke?

 

[Real fan 02]

And we saw that played out right before our eyes with Brady in TB. He won a SB with a coaching staff that was somewhere between Kukla, Fran and Ollie and Moe, Larry and Curley. People here scoffed at those coaches endlessly before Brady helped carried them to a SB title. Then when Brady was on the doorstep of another possible SB his team lost because of the coach. It was all right there for everyone to see.

Now my question. Does Bill actually believe that or is he just blowing smoke?

Well I've noticed he hasn't said that as of late. He made those comments during the GOAT era. He clearly was blowing smoke or he wouldn't have asked the defensive coordinator and the special teams coach to run the offense. Girardi was saying that nationally even other GMs and NFL people said collectively he ruined Mac's progress.

 

[1960Pats]

Well, yeah, but how many all pros has he picked in the last, say 5 years compared to other teams in the last 5 years.

Stretching the list out to 20 years is a bit silly. Sh!t, why stop at 20 years? Why not 30? Or 40?

20 years worked out great for me because I already had a list of each AFCE team's picks since 2000 and where they ended up. Compared to those teams the Pats had more picks, 18 more than the Bills, 26 more than the Fins and 37 more than the Jets. I think having more picks is good.

 

[1960Pats]

Well I've noticed he hasn't said that as of late. He made those comments during the GOAT era. He clearly was blowing smoke or he wouldn't have asked the defensive coordinator and the special teams coach to run the offense. Girardi was saying that nationally even other GMs and NFL people said collectively he ruined Mac's progress.

I think Mac is gone no matter what. Either Bill gets rid of him or he leaves if he gets the chance.

What I learned from last season's debacle is that Bill, Judge and Patricia are not offensive minded.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think Mac is gone no matter what. Either Bill gets rid of him or he leaves if he gets the chance.

What I learned from last season's debacle is that Bill, Judge and Patricia are not offensive minded.

Agree!!! Great post! He I don't believe he was ever really offensive minded.. don't get me wrong he is the GOAT HC and all. Buy his background is ST, and defense.. like his buddies he had f up the offense.

I can't blame Mac one bit wanting to leave.. Shanahan would make this kid a star!

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Well, yeah, but how many all pros has he picked in the last, say 5 years compared to other teams in the last 5 years.

Stretching the list out to 20 years is a bit silly. Sh!t, why stop at 20 years? Why not 30? Or 40?

Because Bill's been here 20 years, going back 30 involves other people's drafts.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think Mac is gone no matter what. Either Bill gets rid of him or he leaves if he gets the chance.

What I learned from last season's debacle is that Bill, Judge and Patricia are not offensive minded.

Another thing I wanted to make mention is.. ownership is I can sense the RK is growing frustrated with each passing season without a playoff appearance.

As any owner would, BB based on his comments of the last 20 plus years is reason to believe that we would have a successful season. What ever happened to what's best for the team.? Whatever the case I believe Mac won't be here after the draft.. what do you think?

 

[archstanton543]

Because Bill's been here 20 years, going back 30 involves other people's drafts.

The list is not Patriots-centric.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The list is not Patriots-centric.

No, but we're using the list to compare most of BBs tenure here, in that respect 20 years is a good timeline.

 

[Bill Lee]

I think this more or less tells us that the rest of the teams around the league don't exactly have it down to a perfect science, either.

A lot of 'fans' cherry pick our 'busts' without even trying to compare us to other teams in general and ones with our relatively low draft position in particular.

If drafting All-Pro special teamers is easy, why aren't other teams doing it?

 

[Bill Lee]

Yeah this matters. What would you rather have - a pro-bowl receiver that makes 2nd team all-pro like AJ Brown, or a 1st all-pro gunner?

This distinction is important. Belichick is not a bad GM of course but let's not swing and act like he's incredible

All the focus here is on those special teamers, while ignoring that he drafted and developed the GOAT.

That distinction is important too.

 

[archstanton543]

A lot of 'fans' cherry pick our 'busts' without even trying to compare us to other teams in general and ones with our relatively low draft position in particular.

If drafting All-Pro special teamers is easy, why aren't other teams doing it?

Because most teams don't put a premium on special teams players like the Pats do.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Author needs to be more specific as the Pats, 49ers and Cowboys had 13 total players making 1st team All Pro. Chiefs and Ravens had 12. Chargers had 8.

The list should be players in general, making it on the team that drafted them and not how many times they made it.

 

[borg]

Well, yeah, but how many all pros has he picked in the last, say 5 years compared to other teams in the last 5 years.

Stretching the list out to 20 years is a bit silly. Sh!t, why stop at 20 years? Why not 30? Or 40?

It's a list that encompasses THIS CENTURY for the entire NFL.

Exit the bubble occasionally.
Don't take everything so Patriots-Personal

 

[VJCPatriot]

Interesting Tweet, it appears they're a little better than people give them credit for relative to other teams:

That's over 20 years ago. But how many All Pros have they drafted in the past decade?

The Patriots only All-Pro selections in the 2020s are:

ST Matthew Slater 2020, 2021 and he was drafted in 2008, not the current decade.

The Patriots All-Pro selections if we go back further in time to the 2010s:

QB Tom Brady 2010, 2017 and he was drafted in 2000, not the past decade.

ST Matthew Slater 2016, 2019 and he was drafted in 2008, not the past decade.

TE Rob Gronkowski 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017 and he was drafted in the 2010 draft, 13 years go, not the past decade.

WR Wes Welker 2011 he was not drafted by the Patriots.

G Logan Mankins 2010 he was drafted in 2005, not the past decade.

DL Vince Wilforck 2012, he was drafted in 2004, not the past decade.

CB Stephon Gilmore 2018, 2019 he was not drafted by the Patriots.

And that's all folks. Not a SINGLE All-Pro selection of the Patriots was drafted in the past 10 years. BB's most recent all pro selection in 2010 was taken 13 years ago in Rob 'My coach is no fun' Gronkowski.

Stats courtesy of Pro Football Reference: Boston/New England Patriots All-Pros and Pro Bowlers | Pro-Football-Reference.com

So it's easy to put up numbers without context, but when you take a deep dive, you realize, BB's best drafting happened early in his career with the Patriots. That drafting has taken a severe nosedive in the past decade when it comes to finding all-pro level players. Tom Brady was somehow winning Championships with a GM who was shopping for lower quality groceries in the years 2011 to present.

 

[TheRainMaker]

That's over 20 years ago. But how many All Pros have they drafted in the past decade?

Aside from special teams, they haven't drafted a single All Pro or Pro Bowler on offense or defense. Maybe Rham ends the trend on offense.

And that's all folks. Not a SINGLE All-Pro selection of the Patriots was drafted in the past 10 years. BB's most recent all pro selection in 2010 was taken 13 years ago in Rob 'My coach is no fun' Gronkowski.

Had Bill played Uche the entire season, he may have broken that trend earning at least a Pro Bowl selection and maybe an 2nd team All Pro. I see Uche having another big year in 2023.

 

[1960Pats]

I remembered that I've been tracking the AFCE drats since 2000. I think my numbers are fairly accurate though I haven't gone over them lately.

Team - Players Drafted - Still on Team - On other teams - Out of NYFL
Pats - 194 - 42 - 30 - 122
Bills - 176 - 32 - 21 - 123
Fins - 168 - 34 - 26 - 108
Jets - 157 - 33 - 17 - 107

This goes to the point I was making earlier. Since the draft is a crap shoot I like more picks. Apparently so does Bill.

Sorry to say that those numbers are way off. When I went to add in the 2023 picks I noticed that I hadn't added in 2022 to the totals and hadn't upgraded the player moves. There were a handful of players who weren't listed in PFR and a few recent moves that I wasn't sure of. This is the best that I can do for draft picks in the AFCE since 2000;

Team - Drafted - Still on Team - On other teams - Out of NYFL
Pats - 216 - 38 - 27 - 155 (72%)
Bills - 190 - 32 - 24 - 134 (71%)
Fins - 176 - 31 - 14 - 131 (69%)
Jets - 161 - 29 - 15 - 127 (79%)

Technically the Fins have been the best overall in the AFCE with 31% of their players still playing.

I know the Jets have traded some picks away for trades or to move up in the draft, but since 2000 the Pats have drafted 65 more players than them. That's almost 3 picks a year difference for over 20 years. Yeow!

In just the last two years the Pats have drafted 20 players. Jets 14, Bills 12 and Miami 8. Yeow II!

I'm going to break things down by years, rounds, pick numbers and positions and see if there's anything there.

 

[Pats2000]

No no no no no no no no no. No. I have read it here for I don't know how many years. The Pats, specifically Bill, suck at the draft. This tweet has to be revisionist history designed to make Bill look good. I mean, all these people that tell us how bad they are at drafting... they have to be right, right?

*sarcasm*

BB has absolutely sucked at drafting WR. I think that clouds the rest of his draft capability