Patriots Among Tops In Drafting 1st team All-Pro Selections

[Steve102]

I don't think those players were All Pros w/ NE.

Thuney has not been an All-Pro...yet.

Thuney was AP 2nd team in '22, so that's correct (I think). Jones made it with the Cardinals, Berrios with the Jets. I hate this kind of vague tweet. Did they draft 17 all-pros, but some played someplace else? 17 first teamers in NE? I have more questions than answers now. I am sure crawhammer will analyze it all and tell us it's all bullchit, and everything will be right in the Patsfans Universe again. Patsfansiverse.

Patsfansiverse is a thing now. @Ian feel free to use it liberally throughout the site.

 

[upstater1]

I'm generally more positive on Belichick's team building than most, but to play devil's advocate here, this would be more impressive if they'd drafted an all-pro in the last 10 years who wasn't a special teamer. Basically since Gronk, it's been kicker, punter, and two return men. I don't think all-pro is the end all be all, but this isn't quite the flex that it first appears to be.

If I'm missing someone from the recent decade, let me know.

Chandler Jones? Joe Thuney?

Anyway, a lot of our All-Pros were higher up in the draft like Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Mayo.

Few came from lower end of the 1st round and after. Brady, Gronk and Mankins.

 

[upstater1]

Thuney was AP 2nd team in '22, so that's correct (I think). Jones made it with the Cardinals, Berrios with the Jets. I hate this kind of vague tweet. Did they draft 17 all-pros, but some played someplace else? 17 first teamers in NE? I have more questions than answers now. I am sure crawhammer will analyze it all and tell us it's all bullchit, and everything will be right in the Patsfans Universe again. Patsfansiverse.

Patsfansiverse is a thing now. @Ian feel free to use it liberally throughout the site.

Does it matter?

Thuney was here for several years and won 2 Super Bowls while playing at the same level that he achieved All-Pro status for another team. He developed here. His drafting and development should certainly count toward the Patriot total.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Ive always wondered how the numbers/data would look if you compared it to other teams over a long period. Draft performance is very hard to calculate since there are different degrees of hits even when you take the time to compare percentages. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we were among the best in terms of overall quality of drafting Despite the frustrations and misses. people understimate how hard it is to draft in this league and sometimes we remember the bad ones more than the good.

I saw a graphic the other day that showed the top ten picks from a draft around 10 years ago, its rather telling just how many misses there are even in the top 10. There was also a thread that showed the last 10 #14 picks. Lots of misses and/or underwhelming results.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Thuney was AP 2nd team in '22, so that's correct (I think). Jones made it with the Cardinals, Berrios with the Jets. I hate this kind of vague tweet. Did they draft 17 all-pros, but some played someplace else? 17 first teamers in NE? I have more questions than answers now. I am sure crawhammer will analyze it all and tell us it's all bullchit, and everything will be right in the Patsfans Universe again. Patsfansiverse.

Patsfansiverse is a thing now. @Ian feel free to use it liberally throughout the site.

Yea they said 1st team so whatever.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The Pats have picked up the 5th year option on just one first round draft pick in the last ten years, and that was Wynn which was a Mistake!!

since the Jones \ Hightower first round, it’s been a string of bad picks

 

[Grogan14]

This is a misleading stat. Different positions shoukd be weighted differently. A ST gunner, kicker or punter should only count 1/10 th of a qb or wr.
Also have to factor in one time only or multiple times.

 

[Sicilian]

Chandler Jones? Joe Thuney?

Anyway, a lot of our All-Pros were higher up in the draft like Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Mayo.

Few came from lower end of the 1st round and after. Brady, Gronk and Mankins.

Forgot about Chandler (though I don't remember him being all-pro? I'm probably remembering incorrectly). I agree with your point in the post below this though, and should have emphasized more in my own post: Not being an all-pro specifically doesn't mean a guy wasn't a REALLY good player, so I wasn't trying to argue the opposite point to the thread (that the Patriots suck at drafting, because I don't believe they do). I was more commenting on the sentiment early in the thread that this list was some kind data point that could be used to counter those that say the Patriots are not good at drafting.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is a misleading stat. Different positions shoukd be weighted differently. A ST gunner, kicker or punter should only count 1/10 th of a qb or wr.
Also have to factor in one time only or multiple times.

It's not a stat.

It's a matter of record.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Pats have picked up the 5th year option on just one first round draft pick in the last ten years, and that was Wynn which was a Mistake!!

since the Jones \ Hightower first round, it’s been a string of bad picks

Malcom Brown and Sony were fine.

Cooks was a trade and the 2016 pick was stolen.

 

[upstater1]

Forgot about Chandler (though I don't remember him being all-pro? I'm probably remembering incorrectly). I agree with your point in the post below this though, and should have emphasized more in my own post: Not being an all-pro specifically doesn't mean a guy wasn't a REALLY good player, so I wasn't trying to argue the opposite point to the thread (that the Patriots suck at drafting, because I don't believe they do). I was more commenting on the sentiment early in the thread that this list was some kind data point that could be used to counter those that say the Patriots are not good at drafting.

I think the Patriots would be better at drafting if they didn't win so much.

For one, they wouldn't have lost 6 or 7 draft picks due to jealousy vendettas.

 

[Grogan14]

It's not a stat.

It's a matter of record.

OK fair enough. This fact could lead to the wrong conclusion.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Chandler Jones?

Forgot about Chandler (though I don't remember him being all-pro?

He never made an All Pro team with the Pats, only the 2015 Pro Bowl.

 

[upstater1]

He never made an All Pro team with the Pats, only the 2015 Pro Bowl.

The thread is about drafting future All-Pros. Thuney never made it with the Patriots either, but they drafted him, developed him, he was a top player, and he won some Super Bowls

 

[TheRainMaker]

The thread is about drafting future All-Pros.

No it's not. It's about players that were All Pro's with the team that drafted them.

Thuney never made it with the Patriots either, but they drafted him, developed him, he was a top player, and he won some Super Bowls

Thuney was a 2nd team All Pro with the Pats in 2019.

 

[RobertWeathers]

OK fair enough. This fact could lead to the wrong conclusion.

What conclusion is that?

It's possible two things can be true.

 

[DarrylS]

Wait until Felger and Bertram find out about this, make sure there is plenty of TP on hand.
Supports my never ending position that at best the draft is a crap shoot and most of us look at how the Pats fared as a case of fan myopia..

 

[TBR]

Curious to see the rankings that don't include special teamers. Yea yea, I know it's part of the game.

 

[Kasmir]

This is a misleading stat. Different positions shoukd be weighted differently. A ST gunner, kicker or punter should only count 1/10 th of a qb or wr.
Also have to factor in one time only or multiple times.

And you have to subtract Brady because Bill cut him!

 

[DaBruinz]

Does it matter?

Thuney was here for several years and won 2 Super Bowls while playing at the same level that he achieved All-Pro status for another team. He developed here. His drafting and development should certainly count toward the Patriot total.

Thuney was named 2nd team All-Pro while here in 2019. He's never made 1st team. He made 2nd team again in KC in 2022. The tweet was referring to 1st Team All-Pro.