Patriots 9/3 53-man roster cuts thread

[The Gr8est]

I'm glad our team will cut a draft pick in a second because we replaced them with better players that cost us little.

I guess we could be like one of those draft "winners" [Cleveland and Jacksonville got "a" from Kuyper this year]. Or one of those teams afraid to cut a high pick, or a name veteran, so they hang on, while also overpaying for big name free agents during the "splash" period.

I guess I'll have to live with sucking at personnel and going to the playoffs every year.

Rats! Cough! Woodhead cough! cough!

 

[manxman2601]

Just in case we trade for Kendall Wright (putting 2+2 together and probably coming up 5*), I just want to point out the following from the 2012 draft.

First Round

Pick 19 - Shea McClellin
Pick 20 - Kendall Wright
Pick 21 - Chandler Jones

I just think that would be an amusing coincidence.

* Based on a couple of reports that we're shopping for WRs, he's in his final year and we have the FO link to the Titans.

 

[Deus Irae]

My interpretation of "out thinking the room" was that the "room" was other GMs. If BB is being compared to other GMs (what I thought you meant), then of course the "starting place" counts. The Titans GM clearly outperformed BB last draft with the treasure trove of future picks he received, but of course he had the overall number 1 pick to play with (by virtue of having the worst record in football) while BB didn't have a draft pick until the late second round by virtue of Commissioner Al Capone.

Did I misinterpret what you meant by "out thinking the room"?

When I'm referring to out thinking the room, it's not about regular drafting

Players taken several rounds above projection, in general
Players dropping down because of major red flags for injury
Players off the board of most other teams
etc...

That's why I asked whether you thought it was an issue of desperation because of the low slotting you were mentioning. It's not really out thinking the room to take a guy rated 1-35 in the 25-30 range.

 

[RayClay]

When I'm referring to out thinking the room, it's not about regular drafting

Players taken several rounds above projection, in general
Players dropping down because of major red flags for injury
Players off the board of most other teams
etc...

That's why I asked whether you thought it was an issue of desperation because of the low slotting you were mentioning. It's not really out thinking the room to take a guy rated 1-35 in the 25-30 range.

Winning the drafting trophy is like winning the offseason championship. There's a lot more than the draft when it comes to successful personnel and roster management.

 

[Family]

Except for one bad year they've had at least one rookie who is all pro or has all pro value to the team as well as contributors:

2009 Vollmer, Edelman, Chung
2010: McCourty Gronk (we won't mention Hernandez)
2011: Solder, Vereen, Ridley
2012: C. Jones, Hightower, Ebner
2013: Collins, L. Ryan, Harmon
2014: Bad year
2015: M. Brown, Butler, maybe Trey Flowers or Mason
2016: 9 make team and look promising.

Drafting isn't the misses. It's the size of the hits.

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[AtomicDawg]

BTW no one is talking about Trey Flowers. Dude really balled out this summer after missing last year. Glad to see him make the team.

 

[AtomicDawg]

No worries for the rest of his days....

 

[AtomicDawg]

Jeff Howe intimates that Mitchell's initial four-week timetable means he should be ready. That was probably reinforced by cutting 5 WRs today.

 

[50-yard-line]

BTW no one is talking about Trey Flowers. Dude really balled out this summer after missing last year. Glad to see him make the team.

I think the reason no one is talking about him right now is because after watching him, no one thought he had a chance of being cut. He's going to be a very, very good player.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Except for one bad year they've had at least one rookie who is all pro or has all pro value to the team as well as contributors:

2009 Vollmer, Edelman, Chung
2010: McCourty Gronk (we won't mention Hernandez)
2011: Solder, Vereen, Ridley
2012: C. Jones, Hightower, Ebner
2013: Collins, L. Ryan, Harmon
2014: Bad year
2015: M. Brown, Butler, maybe Trey Flowers or Mason
2016: 9 make team and look promising.

Drafting isn't the misses. It's the size of the hits.

Winning the Super Bowl when an undrafted player makes a pick to seal the win is a bad year?. Thank you, I'll have another.....

 

[zydecochris]

When I'm referring to out thinking the room, it's not about regular drafting

Players taken several rounds above projection, in general
Players dropping down because of major red flags for injury
Players off the board of most other teams
etc...

That's why I asked whether you thought it was an issue of desperation because of the low slotting you were mentioning. It's not really out thinking the room to take a guy rated 1-35 in the 25-30 range.

But when you talk about players taken "several rounds above projections", who is making the projections? Media draftniks. Do you really think they know more than BB?

When BB takes players dropping down because of red flags for injury, isn't that because players with comparable talent and no injury history have already been picked earlier in the round?

However, this topic has been debated many times on the board, and agreeing to disagree is fine. I believe you have indicated in the past that a major reason for the Patriots success is Tom Brady. I agree. However, when I see that the Patriots have the best record over the years despite the worst draft position (and it isn't close) I think that, in addition to that being a tribute to Tom Brady, BB must be doing something right also.

But, enough of that. Just yesterday, I was thinking: "Ken is posting his excellent football analyses again! Deus and others are making informative insightful football posts! Football is about to start again! Hope springs eternal! Spring is in the air (metaphorically)!"

Let's enjoy this ride while we can. Life is good.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Gonna be a beast.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Gonna be a beast.

They are giving him a shot at being a rotational player at DT. Lets see what he can do.

 

[Deus Irae]

But when you talk about players taken "several rounds above projections", who is making the projections? Media draftniks. Do you really think they know more than BB?

The track record of where, basically, players are drafted in comparison to where they were thought to be going is easy to see, and the "media" generally does a pretty good job with it. People who argue against this are people who are trying to defend bad picks, because they have no problem cheering the "steals".

When BB takes players dropping down because of red flags for injury, isn't that because players with comparable talent and no injury history have already been picked earlier in the round?

That will generally be the case, but that doesn't change the equation. Gronk's a great pick, because his impact when he's around so greatly outweighs all his lost time. Easley's was a terrible pick, because the that was nowhere near the case with him. Vollmer falls somewhere in between (that's not knocking him, because that difference (Gronk/Easley) is an extremely one, to date).

 

[jmt57]

To recap, here is the initial 2016 New England Patriots 53-man roster:


QB: Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett

RB: LeGarrette Blount, James White, Brandon Bolden, D.J. Foster, James Develin

WR: Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell

TE: Rob Gronkowski, Martellus Bennett, Clay Harbor, AJ Derby

OL: Nate Solder, LaAdrian Waddle, Shaq Mason, Joe Thuney, David Andrews, Josh Kline, Ted Karas, Jonathan Cooper, Marcus Cannon, Cameron Fleming

DL: Chris Long, Trey Flowers, Alan Branch, Anthony Johnson, Vincent Valentine, Malcom Brown, Jabaal Sheard

LB: Dont’a Hightower, Jamie Collins, Jonathan Freeny, Barkevious Mingo, Shea McClellin, Elandon Roberts

CB: Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Justin Coleman, Cyrus Jones, Jonathan Jones

S: Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung, Duron Harmon, Jordan Richards

ST: Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Joe Cardona, Matthew Slater, Nate Ebner, Brandon King

 

[aluminum seats]

To recap, here is the initial 2016 New England Patriots 53-man roster:


QB: Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett

RB: LeGarrette Blount, James White, Brandon Bolden, D.J. Foster, James Develin

WR: Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell

TE: Rob Gronkowski, Martellus Bennett, Clay Harbor, AJ Derby

OL: Nate Solder, LaAdrian Waddle, Shaq Mason, Joe Thuney, David Andrews, Josh Kline, Ted Karas, Jonathan Cooper, Marcus Cannon, Cameron Fleming

DL: Chris Long, Trey Flowers, Alan Branch, Anthony Johnson, Vincent Valentine, Malcom Brown, Jabaal Sheard

LB: Dont’a Hightower, Jamie Collins, Jonathan Freeny, Barkevious Mingo, Shea McClellin, Elandon Roberts

CB: Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Justin Coleman, Cyrus Jones, Jonathan Jones

S: Devin McCourty, Patrick Chung, Duron Harmon, Jordan Richards

ST: Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Joe Cardona, Matthew Slater, Nate Ebner, Brandon King

Damn there's a lot of talent on this roster.

 

[jmt57]

Damn there's a lot of talent on this roster.

With more on its way as the season progresses.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Damn there's a lot of talent on this roster.

And if history is our guide....

6-8 players on this as-is roster will be gone by January
10+ more transactions will take place
2-3 trades will occur
3-5 players will go on IR

 

[Deus Irae]

Damn there's a lot of talent on this roster.

And, yet, still some "fat" that can be cut in order to bring in other players.