PATRIOTS NEWS OTA 6/10/24

[rkarp1]

Wozzy has probably forgotten more about football than 90% of the people on this board. I don't agree with him on some things, but you are the one who isn't paying attention.

Going into 2022, it was well Documented that KRAFT is the one who insisted that Patricia and Judge be re-assigned. It was Kraft who brought back Bill O'Brien over Belichick's objections (Belichick wanted to stick with Patricia). It was Kraft, with O'Brien, who made the decision on Klemm.

Wozzy isn't shifting anything. The problem is that you don't seem to understand that Bill created the problems in 2020 and 2021 and Kraft felt the need to step in after 3 straight subpar seasons.

Patricia over-promised and under-delivered. He alienated the players that he should have relied on (T. Brown and Bourne). Guys who had EXPRIENCE in the Offense they were trying to implement. Bourne landed in the doghouse for most of the season, to the detriment of the team. It's further come out via Damien Harris and some other players that Patricia and Judge were the issues.

Saying that the Buck stopped with Bill would have been true up through the 2021 season, but it changed in 2022 after the Patricia/Judge debacle.

you lost me stating Wozzy knows football.
Wozzy knows arguing football.
otherwise, not so much
sorry

 

[signbabybrady]

I would counter that it has been documented that Bill's contract stated that he had total and final say on all football decisions. if a decision was made the he did not approve of, his contracted voided and he was a free agent.
now, if you wish to argue that RK strongly suggested Bill consider OB, ok, I am game. but forced him to hire OB? no way. even more so no way with Klemm.

So you're saying there's a chance Kraft meddled in some way but BB chose not to void the contract.

 

[DaBruinz]

I would counter that it has been documented that Bill's contract stated that he had total and final say on all football decisions. if a decision was made the he did not approve of, his contracted voided and he was a free agent.
now, if you wish to argue that RK strongly suggested Bill consider OB, ok, I am game. but forced him to hire OB? no way. even more so no way with Klemm.

Yes. his ORIGINAL Contract stated that.. But you have no idea what changed in 2020 when Bill got his extension.

Robert Kraft provides details on how decision to hire Bill O'Brien took place with Bill Belichick

"If things aren't going the way I'd like, we meet in private and have our discussions and make changes."

www.cbsnews.com

How did the Belichick-Kraft Patriots partnership end?

Kraft and Belichick teamed up to win six Super Bowls over 24 seasons. Here's how their professional relationship ran its course.

www.espn.com

Kraft is the one who had it announced after the 2022 season that they were looking for a new OC. Many people on here commented on this being out of character for the team.

 

[DaBruinz]

you lost me stating Wozzy knows football.
Wozzy knows arguing football.
otherwise, not so much
sorry

I'll take the likes of Wozzy, PatfanKen, and BaconGrundleCandy over you any day..

You're clearly only going to believe what you want regardless of reality.

 

[rkarp1]

Yes. his ORIGINAL Contract stated that.. But you have no idea what changed in 2020 when Bill got his extension.

Robert Kraft provides details on how decision to hire Bill O'Brien took place with Bill Belichick

"If things aren't going the way I'd like, we meet in private and have our discussions and make changes."

www.cbsnews.com

How did the Belichick-Kraft Patriots partnership end?

Kraft and Belichick teamed up to win six Super Bowls over 24 seasons. Here's how their professional relationship ran its course.

www.espn.com

Kraft is the one who had it announced after the 2022 season that they were looking for a new OC. Many people on here commented on this being out of character for the team.

this states RK strongly suggested to Bill to hire OB.
Bill agreed. otherwise he would have/could have left

 

[captain stone]

hmmm
Perhaps one of these won't make the 53.

Andrews, Mafi, Leverett
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IOL LOCKS: Sow, Andrews, Robinson

How many more IOL's will we carry on the 53? two or three?

Perhaps Andrews will have the Ferenz roster spot: dedicated Backup OC, often on the Practice Squad. This works if both Mafi and Leverett can backup at C.

I prefer Michael Jordan to All of Leverett, Fat Tony & JakefromStateFarm. He would be my #4 IOLman and the other 3 stiffs would "compete" with Charlie Turner for the last one or two spots.

 

[Love The Drake]

Coates posted 370 yards his last season in NE, he played one more with the Ravens and posted 84 receiving yards... but he did win his ring. He was toast.

Shawn Jefferson was 31 in 2000, Bruce Armstrong was 35 in 2000, Chris Slade was 29 in 2000 but only posted 4 sacks as a sack specialist... all these guys retired or were out of the league within a year or so... they were toast.

In 1998, Meggett was arrested in Toronto after authorities alleged that he assaulted an escort worker after a three-way sexual encounter. Following this incident, the Patriots promptly released him per their zero-tolerance policy for violence against women enacted after the fallout from their selection of Christian Peter two years earlier. According to a 2014 report in SB Nation, the public reaction to this incident led other teams to look at Meggett's history with women, and was a reason why his number was never called by another NFL team after the Jets opted against re-signing him.

Milloy was a good player but Rodney was better and played on a more team friendly deal. They saved a lot of cap space and upgraded the position.

Ty Law was let go after 2004 when he hit 31 years old, only managed 7 games due to injury and the team won a Super Bowl anyway. He had one of the biggest cap hits in the league in 2005 among defenders. He only played one more really productive Pro Bowl level season the very next year then fell off.

It doesn't matter who the coach is... age is undefeated and the NFL has a salary cap.

You can't hang onto players who have lost it because you're sentimental.

Glenn?
I get what you’re saying, it’s just when he came he jettisoned my hero’s I was a sentimental fan for sure. Belichick took that away quick fan favorite one day and then cut or traded and forgotten and called a bum the next day.

 

[captain stone]

Didn't know where else to put this one, for what it's worth:

Patriots claim rookie LB with an awesome name | Sporting News

One LB is out in New England, and another comes in.

l.patsfans.com

Steele Chambers - OLB - Ohio State - 2024 Draft Scout/NCAA College Football

Steele Chambers - OLB - Ohio State - 2024 Draft Scout/NCAA College Football

draftscout.com

Steele Chambers Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Pats waive fellow UDFA Jay Person to make room. Upgrayedd.

Enquiring minds want to know: is he related to Marilyn?

 

[Wozzy]

I would counter that it has been documented that Bill's contract stated that he had total and final say on all football decisions. if a decision was made the he did not approve of, his contracted voided and he was a free agent.
now, if you wish to argue that RK strongly suggested Bill consider OB, ok, I am game. but forced him to hire OB? no way. even more so no way with Klemm.

Provide us the link to Bill's contract online... we'd all like to see the details?

 

[Wozzy]

I think it is beyond discussion that Bill had final and total say. zero questions asked.
the fact that Wozzy continues to shift the blame on the franchises hard times from Bill to everyone but Bill, is irrelevant. the buck stopped with Bill.

You're the guy who told me in 2021 that Kraft was taking the draft away from Bill when Bobby announced collaboration and Elliot Wolf was hired.

 

[Wozzy]

I'll take the likes of Wozzy, PatfanKen, and BaconGrundleCandy over you any day..

You're clearly only going to believe what you want regardless of reality.

Rkarp is one of the oldest BB haters dating back to his days on Boston.com forums...

He wanted to fire BB back in 2013 for not winning it all. When ZBeliino created his “Has BB Doomed This Team” thread entering the 2014 season Karpy was helping lead the charge… right up until “we’re on to Cincinnati.”

After they won the ring he pivoted, famous Rkarp move, from “fire him” to “he should be fired as GM but retained as coach.” Laughable…

The closing of the Boston Globes forums was the best thing that ever happened to him because he could reinvent himself after serious embarrassment in 2014.