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OT: Saints caught in a scandal that will stain the franchise (link)

What is more disgusting - the acts themselves, or those in power (judge, church, team, Saints ownership and executives, NFL) that are doing everything they can to make this story disappear?
The answer to this is the easiest answer ever. The rates for rape among these priests are not any higher than they are for the general population (or other churches and religions).

What makes these singular is the cover-ups and the great efforts made by powerful people to sweep them under the rug. Now, the same goes on in other churches and religions, but they are not as monolithic as this church.
 
From the article in the original post, here is what Mr. Integrity had to say.

Asked whether the league intended to investigate the team's actions, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters Monday that Benson and Saints' officials are "very involved in this community and they are great corporate citizens."

"I'm confident that they are playing nothing more than a supportive role to help be more transparent," Goodell said
Curious about whether Goodell might be Catholic?
 
The answer to this is the easiest answer ever. The rates for rape among these priests are not any higher than they are for the general population (or other churches and religions).

What makes these singular is the cover-ups and the great efforts made by powerful people to sweep them under the rug. Now, the same goes on in other churches and religions, but they are not as monolithic as this church.
Are you saying the number of rapists among priests is consistent with the proportion of rapists across the general population? Or are you saying that the number of rapes they commit is consistent with the number committed across the general population?

It seems to me that organized coverups, along with a policy of re-assigning accused priests to unsuspecting parishes, could well result in the same proportion of rapists committing a higher number of rapes per rapist. Has there been any thorough study analyzing such details?
 
The Catholic Church made a big mistake making an unbiblical requirement that their priests can't marry a woman. The problem with that is they have attracted a ton of priests who go after other men and underage boys.
It's a major issue. Go back a thousand years and this was the norm even for the Pope. This isn't something new.
 
The answer to this is the easiest answer ever. The rates for rape among these priests are not any higher than they are for the general population (or other churches and religions).

What makes these singular is the cover-ups and the great efforts made by powerful people to sweep them under the rug. Now, the same goes on in other churches and religions, but they are not as monolithic as this church.
I imagine that fact that they are not monolithic makes it a lot harder for "problematic" ministers to get reassigned to another church.
 
That should happen, but I'm not counting on it.

At all.



From the article in the original post, here is what Mr. Integrity had to say.

Asked whether the league intended to investigate the team's actions, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters Monday that Benson and Saints' officials are "very involved in this community and they are great corporate citizens."

"I'm confident that they are playing nothing more than a supportive role to help be more transparent," Goodell said






And the courts themselves are tilting the scales of justice.

Taken together, the emails portray a coalescing of several New Orleans institutions. U.S. District Court Judge Jay Zainey, who was copied by the Saints on the public relations efforts, cheered Bensel on from his personal email account, thanking the team's spokesman "for the wonderful advice." A newspaper editor similarly thanked Bensel for getting involved.

"You have hit all the points," Zainey, a fellow Catholic, wrote in another email to Bensel, praising a lengthy note the Saints spokesman sent to local newspaper editors. "By his example and leadership, Archbishop Aymond, our shepherd, will continue to lead our Church in the right direction -- helping us to learn and to rebuild from the mistakes of the past."

Zainey later struck down a Louisiana law, vigorously opposed by the church, that would have allowed victims to bring civil claims irrespective of how long ago the alleged sex abuse took place. He declined to comment.




'Nothing to see here folks, move along'. . .



What is more disgusting - the acts themselves, or those in power (judge, church, team, Saints ownership and executives, NFL) that are doing everything they can to make this story disappear?
He is such a PoS
 
I imagine that fact that they are not monolithic makes it a lot harder for "problematic" ministers to get reassigned to another church.
True, but they are still swept under the rug AT that church.
 
Are you saying the number of rapists among priests is consistent with the proportion of rapists across the general population? Or are you saying that the number of rapes they commit is consistent with the number committed across the general population?

It seems to me that organized coverups, along with a policy of re-assigning accused priests to unsuspecting parishes, could well result in the same proportion of rapists committing a higher number of rapes per rapist. Has there been any thorough study analyzing such details?
Yes, there have been studies. It's pretty well documented. This is a massive problem in the Catholic Church, but it's 4% of the priests and brothers. Less so the nuns.

That number is similar to studies of the prevalence of child rape in the general population.
 
Saints’ secret role in Catholic Church abuse scandal exposed

>>>>>In a lengthy statement, the team criticized the media for using “leaked emails for the purpose of misconstruing a well-intended effort.”

“No member of the Saints organization condones or wants to cover up the abuse that occurred in the Archdiocese of New Orleans,” the team said. “That abuse occurred is a terrible fact.”

The team’s response did little to quell the anger of survivors of clergy sexual abuse. “We felt betrayed by the organization,” said Kevin Bourgeois, a former Saints season ticket holder who was abused by a priest in the 1980s. “It forces me to question what other secrets are being withheld. I’m angry, hurt and re-traumatized again.”<<<<<<<

(editorial comment)--We have to disagree whether covering up predatory child sexual assault is a well intended effort.....
 
Not any drag queens? Almost like we spend zero amount of time looking for the real predators.
ha-ha! MY side didn't do it! yes! victory!

average lib take
 
Welp the usuals arguing politics because they can't help themselves, can't discuss anything here
 
Going over the main points of the article here. Just my opinion and sincere questions.

• Saints executives were so involved in the church's damage control that a team spokesman briefed his boss on a 2018 call with the city's top prosecutor hours before the church released a list of clergymen accused of abuse. The call, the spokesman said, "allowed us to take certain people off" the list.
Without knowing what those certain people did or why they were taken off the list, this means nothing to me

• Team officials were among the first people outside the church to view that list, a carefully curated, yet undercounted roster of suspected pedophiles. The disclosure of those names invited civil claims against the church and drew attention from federal and state law enforcement.
Carefully curated, yet undercounted roster of suspected pedophiles sounds quite a bit like "more probable than not." If they are confirmed pedophiles, add them to the list. If they aren't, keep them off the list. All sides can agree with this I'm sure. And I don't really get the problem with "team officials" doing this. Is there some kind of rule I'm missing about what teams are allowed to do with their city in advisory roles?

• The team's president, Dennis Lauscha, drafted more than a dozen questions that Archbishop Gregory Aymond should be prepared to answer as he faced reporters.
Not a problem as long as nobody is lying. Again, unless I'm missing something about teams and what they're not allowed to do with any entities outside the NFL

The Saints' senior vice president of communications, Greg Bensel, provided fly-on-the-wall updates to Lauscha about local media interviews, suggesting church and team leaders were all on the same team. "He is doing well," Bensel wrote as the archbishop told reporters the church was committed to addressing the crisis. "That is our message," Bensel added, "that we will not stop here today."
Why is this a problem? You can be Catholic, and want to help the Church, without covering up for pedophiles. I genuinely don't get the problem here. An NFL team provided assistance and played an advisory role to the Church in how to answer questions related to a release of named pedophiles. And potentially influenced whose names were on the list. We don't know who those people are or what they did or didn't do, so this just sounds like the crux of the whole issue is an NFL team not minding its own business
 
Yes, there have been studies. It's pretty well documented. This is a massive problem in the Catholic Church, but it's 4% of the priests and brothers. Less so the nuns.

That number is similar to studies of the prevalence of child rape in the general population.
I think it is probably similar in all positions in which there is someone in power in charge of children. Teachers, priests, youth camps, etc.
 
ha-ha! MY side didn't do it! yes! victory!

average lib take
Look man, if you are really genuinely trying to protect the kids and you aren't investigating why this keeps happening in church, you are not actually out to protect kids. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
 
Saints’ secret role in Catholic Church abuse scandal exposed

>>>>>In a lengthy statement, the team criticized the media for using “leaked emails for the purpose of misconstruing a well-intended effort.”

“No member of the Saints organization condones or wants to cover up the abuse that occurred in the Archdiocese of New Orleans,” the team said. “That abuse occurred is a terrible fact.”

The team’s response did little to quell the anger of survivors of clergy sexual abuse. “We felt betrayed by the organization,” said Kevin Bourgeois, a former Saints season ticket holder who was abused by a priest in the 1980s. “It forces me to question what other secrets are being withheld. I’m angry, hurt and re-traumatized again.”<<<<<<<

(editorial comment)--We have to disagree whether covering up predatory child sexual assault is a well intended effort.....
The point of disagreement is whether covering up child sexual assault is actually what is happening. Everyone is in agreement that child sexual abuse, and covering it up, is bad
 
Look man, if you are really genuinely trying to protect the kids and you aren't investigating why this keeps happening in church, you are not actually out to protect kids. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Why it happens, humans are bad. You're welcome
 
Look man, if you are really genuinely trying to protect the kids and you aren't investigating why this keeps happening in church, you are not actually out to protect kids. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Look man, if you are really genuinely trying to protect the kids and you aren't spending more resources investigating schools than churches, you are not actually out to protect kids.

But investigating schools doesn't serve the political agenda some people are out to serve. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
 
Look man, if you are really genuinely trying to protect the kids and you aren't spending more resources investigating schools than churches, you are not actually out to protect kids.

But investigating schools doesn't serve the political agenda some people are out to serve. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
If schools are covering up kids being abused then yes we should end that. Covering up sexual abuse is bad. But we focus on boogeymen that don’t exist.
 
If schools are covering up kids being abused then yes we should end that. Covering up sexual abuse is bad. But we focus on boogeymen that don’t exist.
You can go dress like a woman whenever you want man. I won't implicitly think you're a pedophile for it.
 
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