OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[RIpats88]

Now that the Pats are done I'm going to enjoy being a Tompa Bay Gronkaneer fan. Anyone who doesn't think they have a chance to win it all hasn't been watching Brady for the last 20 years.

Tampa definitely has a chance. Only difference is in the NFC I think there's 5 teams who have a chance.

In the past, Patriots we're usually 1 of 2 top teams in the AFC played an average team in the divisional round and then a legit matchup in AFC championship game.

This is probably one of brady's most difficult paths. 3 games and at least 2 against top tier teams. They should beat Washington easily

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This post does it. The trolling is out of control. How this buffoon hasn't been banned from this thread is beyond me.

This triggers you? Lol

 

[1960Pats]

I don't think it's all gravy for Brady - he probably has to at least win this Washington game and play well in the playoffs to truly dispel doubters (at least in the near-term...time tends to give people more perspective). Obviously if he wins it all, might as well throw away the debate.

Regardless, to me his physical standard of play this year was more than enough to show that his qualities are highly portable to other teams.

Brady has spent his entire career making his doubters look foolish. I'll be surprised if the Bucs lose to the WTFs, but if they do it probably won't be because of Brady. Watching him play makes it's hard to believe that he's 43.

 

[203Pat]

This triggers you? Lol

You seem to have devoted many hours a day browsing this one thread trolling a way making the same poor arguments page, after page, after page, after page, completely derailing the thread over and over. For the well educated hot shot lawyer you claim to be you sure seem like your run of the mill dunce on the internet with too much time on his hands.

 

[1960Pats]

Tampa definitely has a chance. Only difference is in the NFC I think there's 5 teams who have a chance.

In the past, Patriots we're usually 1 of 2 top teams in the AFC played an average team in the divisional round and then a legit matchup in AFC championship game.

This is probably one of brady's most difficult paths. 3 games and at least 2 against top tier teams. They should beat Washington easily

The matchups seem to be favorable for TB and TB. They get the WTFs, then GB if they win (and neither LR or Chi wins) and another team (maybe Seattle) could knock out the Saints. The toughest part will be doing it all on the road which isn't the advantage it usually is because of the CV.

 

[1960Pats]

You seem to have devoted many hours a day browsing this one thread trolling a way making the same poor arguments page, after page, after page, after page, completely derailing the thread over and over. For the well educated hot shot lawyer you claim to be you sure seem like your run of the mill dunce on the internet with too much time on his hands.

Trolls are only effective if posters keep responding to them page after page after page after page.

 

[203Pat]

Trolls are only effective if posters keep responding to them page after page after page after page.

I am just going to block him and be done with it.

 

[ashley]

This post does it. The trolling is out of control. How this buffoon hasn't been banned from this thread is beyond me.

I don't understand the "For Bill side" or "For Tom side"...why can't everyone agree that they are the two GOATS and leave it at that and it was an incredible run. Does there have to be a constant argument, who was more important Bill or Tom? The "Bill trolls" are having fun now because we are out of the playoffs but I guarantee you that if Tampa loses this week or next week, then the "Bill trolls" will go in hiding and the "Tom trolls" will come out in force. To me, it's just a silly argument. My two cents.

Oh, btw, 203Pat, I didn't in any way intend this to be directed at you, just trying to make a point. lol

 

[sb1]

Tampa definitely has a chance. Only difference is in the NFC I think there's 5 teams who have a chance.

In the past, Patriots we're usually 1 of 2 top teams in the AFC played an average team in the divisional round and then a legit matchup in AFC championship game.

This is probably one of brady's most difficult paths. 3 games and at least 2 against top tier teams. They should beat Washington easily

And as a wild card. It's a tough path but I think they'll get through judging by how they've played in the last month.

I've seen this show too many times with the Pats and Brady to expect anything different.

 

[Patsgofor4]

The excuses for Brady, when the Bucs inevitably bow out of the playoffs, are already piling up, ready to be unleased.

The Bucs beat up on the sisters of the poor and Brady padded his stats in those games. Now they draw a wild card game against a 7-9 team lead on offense by a QB playing on one and a half legs who never could get it done in playoffs when he was 3+ years younger and playing on two good legs. In this thread, however, it is “How could this road to the SB possibly get more difficult for poor Tommy?” Hahaha.

They played 6 games against playoff teams, including a mediocre 8-8 Bears team and went 1-5, and Brady looked average to terrible in those games.

ONE WIN, FIVE LOSSES.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Manning was certainly derided for his poor performance in SB 48, and no one here gave him any credit for reaching the Super Bowl. The reality is no one gets credit for being a runner up in this world.

That's not true.

People here gave him credit for making the Super Bowl and throwing for 55 TDs. But he wasn't just some guy where making the Super Bowl was a big slap on the ass; he was an all-time great player trying to show he was in fact the very greatest to ever play the game. The margins for error are indeed slimmer. And had Manning played a solid game against that Seahawks defense, and came out on the losing end despite rallying his team to take a lead, or shown some gutsy play under pressure, the reaction would be quite different, both here and nationally. He absolutely humiliated himself.

That's the thing... it really isn't all about wins and losses because it doesn't always run tick for tick with the quarterback; it's about playing winning football and losing football. That's what a lot of Manning apologists, like yourself (?), fail to grasp. Brady has played so great when it mattered so many times; Manning played so crappy when it mattered so many times. Wins/Losses aren't the reason Brady is greater; they are just the consequences.









Similar to why you don't seem to grasp the Brady/Belichick split in 2020. It isn't so much about just wins and losses or records against whatever team. It's about Brady going into a system that is very, very different and looking great, especially after having some time. That his strengths are indeed very versatile and that he can read/dissect/prepare for defenses. His command is apparent. It isn't even about the stats; again, those are the consequences of his play, not the other way around.

It isn't just about 7-9 for the Patriots; it's about the quarterback position and offense looking absolutely abysmal; I mean, bottom of the barrel. And yes, they are devoid of talent at skill positions, but they do have a great offensive line, and for years we heard all about how Bill can plug in anyone and so-and-so will be good because of the coaching, gameplans, intelligence, preparation. etc. No one honestly thought Newton, or really any QB, would throw 30 TD passes with the Patriots roster, but certainly the Bb iS gOd crowd thought they'd see an offense that was above average, competent, and efficient, just from coaching alone.

 

[venecol]

Manning also led the Broncos to a super bowl appearance after having an MVP year. Point is that those QBs I've cited (Manning, Warner, Favre, and Montana) took their new teams deep into the playoffs.

The only interesting tidbit concerning some of those QBs is that Brady has the chance next year to join Manning, Favre, and Brees as the only QBs to beat all 32 teams. The rest is just your typical whining about Brady because he didn't retire when you wanted him to. Your shtick is pathetic.

 

[Patsgofor4]

And as a wild card. It's a tough path but I think they'll get through judging by how they've played in the last month.

I've seen this show too many times with the Pats and Brady to expect anything different.

Vikings
Falcons
Lions (with 5 coaches missing)
Falcons

That’s are great closing schedule, if you want to feel good about yourselves going into the playoffs. They have yet to show that they can consistently beat good teams.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I think the Bucs offense will actually be lethal with Godwin, AB, and Gronk. It was always a bit confusing in terms of roles when Evans was there. Sometimes having more clarity on all the skill player roles helps for better execution.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I said it will be an issue for SOME. I didn't say me necessarily. Who's the idiot again who can't read?

Why on earth would anyone bring this up in the first place unless......You said "some" to pretend that it's not you advancing the notion that its a slight on Brady's legacy. You in fact only bring that up in order to agree with or to get people join with you in with that notion. We read ok. We read you loud and clear.

 

[1960Pats]

I am just going to block him and be done with it.

I caught on to his act very early. I never used to use the ignore option but it became a very useful tool to me. One of things I noticed since is that a very high percentage of posts being responded to are from people on my ignore list.

 

[203Pat]

I don't understand the "For Bill side" or "For Tom side"...why can't everyone agree that they are the two GOATS and leave it at that and it was an incredible run. Does there have to be a constant argument, who was more important Bill or Tom? The "Bill trolls" are having fun now because we are out of the playoffs but I guarantee you that if Tampa loses this week or next week, then the "Bill trolls" will go in hiding and the "Tom trolls" will come out in force. To me, it's just a silly argument. My two cents.

Oh, btw, 203Pat, I didn't in any way intend this to be directed at you, just trying to make a point. lol

Lol it is all good. I basically just said the same in another thread with the same argument.

 

[1960Pats]

I don't understand the "For Bill side" or "For Tom side"...why can't everyone agree that they are the two GOATS and leave it at that and it was an incredible run. Does there have to be a constant argument, who was more important Bill or Tom? The "Bill trolls" are having fun now because we are out of the playoffs but I guarantee you that if Tampa loses this week or next week, then the "Bill trolls" will go in hiding and the "Tom trolls" will come out in force. To me, it's just a silly argument. My two cents.

Oh, btw, 203Pat, I didn't in any way intend this to be directed at you, just trying to make a point. lol

There's a thread for those who want to have the Bill vs Tom debate and it doesn't mean either side is trolling. I think a GOAT QB is worth more than a GOAT HC.

I come to this thread because I'm a Brady and Gronk fan and they're still playing. If the Belichick fans want to come here and discuss that, which they seem to, I don't see a problem.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Vikings
Falcons
Lions (with 5 coaches missing)
Falcons

That’s are great closing schedule, if you want to feel good about yourselves going into the playoffs. They have yet to show that they can consistently beat good teams.

It’s not the result that people are exited about, it’s the way the offense played. Since they came back from the bye they play a completely different offense.

as bad as they were against the playoffs teams they still finish third in the nfl in pts/g.

they play now a style of offense that suit their skill better and will match better against those pass rush like NO or WSH

 

[PP2]

Tampa definitely has a chance. Only difference is in the NFC I think there's 5 teams who have a chance.

In the past, Patriots we're usually 1 of 2 top teams in the AFC played an average team in the divisional round and then a legit matchup in AFC championship game.

This is probably one of brady's most difficult paths. 3 games and at least 2 against top tier teams. They should beat Washington easily

Biggest obstacle for Tampa Bay isn't either of those two top tier teams, but Toilet Bowles.

I guarantee you that the OC's of those teams are digging out all the zone-beaters they have in their playbook right now. If Washington is smart they'll run overloads, combos which stress one side of the field (think trips R or L), use flood concepts- have their receivers hit gaps and sit there. NO and Atlanta were doing that all day.