OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[203Pat]

You could just as easily blame Brady for not seeing a wide-open James White on the strip-sack play...

 

[Bradybranch]

I'm sorry but BB's defense "won" half of the 6? They also were the reason we lost 3.

2007
Asante Samuel dropped the perfect season. A season led by.... the offense.

2011
The Pats would've been blown out by the Giants in 2011 without Brady. Not because their offense was good but our pass defense was complete trash all season.

The defense was annihilated by Atlanta and Philly in the Super Bowl. Like historically destroyed by a backup journeyman in Philly. Stop.

You can't give up 41 to Nick Foles, bench your best CB and get a pass. BB deserves more blame than he gets for losing that SB.

I will say the defense was bad against the Foles Eagles. But as for 2007, the defense only gave up 17 points. And they did not got destroyed by Atlanta. They gave up 21 points.

 

[upstater1]

He played 6 games and it also was when Brady played his best. He faded. Likewise, I’m talking about results. The line was very good again once Wynn came back. Brady had plenty of time. The WR’s were still an issue and he couldn’t compensate

I don't know what happened by the very end, but the Patriots and Brady had lost so much. Brady had an elbow injury too and wasn't even throwing the ball like he is this year. He now looks 10x better than he looked at the end of last year even though he and his WRs are not on the same page. That being said, he looked pretty decent to start the 2019 season, and then when the OL went down and he got hurt, he looked lost.

Damiere Byrd and Jakobi Meyers are perfectly good #3 WRs in this league. I bet they can produce the same results that Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney did in 06 once they get a passing game QB.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So that's what you look like...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I will say the defense was bad against the Foles Eagles. But as for 2007, the defense only gave up 17 points. And they did not got destroyed by Atlanta. They gave up 21 points.

Really, the defense was only responsible for the SB 52 loss and most responsible for winning SBs 36, 49, and 53.

 

[203Pat]

So that's what you look like...

 

[amfootball]

We've win so much in new england it was championship or bust.

Tampa is just happy to make the postseason

Yeah. It has been 15 years. Must be nice for Tom and Gronk to be away from that level of scrutiny/drudgery and have their wins enjoyed so much.

 

[JMC00]

2007
Asante Samuel dropped the perfect season. A season led by.... the offense.

They gave up 17 points . Pats offense was historic that year. That game was lost by the offense, they were held to season low point total by 6 points. They scored 38 points on the Giants literally 5 weeks before that game. Offense lost that one and really I think that was a loss even before the game when Brady snickered at some prediction that the Pats were only gonna score under 20 points

2011
The Pats would've been blown out by the Giants in 2011 without Brady. Not because their offense was good but our pass defense was complete trash all season.

Ya...... Except that game was basically lost by Brady idiotically intentional grounding and taking a safety which gave the Giants 2 points. Take that away and the score is 19-17 at the end and Pats could have been playing for a FG when they got the ball back with a minute left and a timeout instead of having to play for a TD. Then there was the Welker drop and Brady's bonehead INT trying to go deep to a hobbled Gronk

The defense was annihilated by Atlanta and Philly in the Super Bowl. Like historically destroyed by a backup journeyman in Philly. Stop.

You can't give up 41 to Nick Foles, bench your best CB and get a pass. BB deserves more blame than he gets for losing that SB.

Defense was not annihilated by the Falcons. They gave up 21 points and 340 yards. Brady spotted them 7 points.

Fun fact the 21 points scored by Falcons offense was their 2nd least amount scored in a game that year and the 340 yards was the 3rd lowest yardage total in a game that year

Falcons drives in that SB

Punt
Punt
TD (after Blount's fumble)
TD
TD
Punt
Turnover
Punt
Punt



So nah you are wrong on '07 and '11. Those losses were more on Brady than the defense if we are the point where we are arguing in the Brady vs Belichick when it comes to SBs and they were pretty much the reason why the '16 SB was won because they kept the team in the game against the #1 offense in league that year despite the offense doing nothing for 3 quarters

So if we are this point

SBs won

Belichick/defense : '01, '04, '16, '18

Brady/offense : '03 & '14

SBs lost

Belichick/defense: '17

Brady/offense: '07 & '11

 

[amfootball]

It is stunning how supposed "fans" of the Patriots use the same dumb arguments that Colts/Jets fans used to use back in the day to discredit our SB wins/Brady.

 

[203Pat]

They gave up 17 points . Pats offense was historic that year. That game was lost by the offense, they were held to season low point total by 6 points. They scored 38 points on the Giants literally 5 weeks before that game. Offense lost that one and really I think that was a loss even before the game when Brady snickered at some prediction that the Pats were only gonna score under 20 points


Ya...... Except that game was basically lost by Brady idiotically intentional grounding and taking a safety which gave the Giants 2 points. Take that away and the score is 19-17 at the end and Pats could have been playing for a FG when they got the ball back with a minute left and a timeout instead of having to play for a TD. Then there was the Welker drop and Brady's bonehead INT trying to go deep to a hobbled Gronk



Defense was not annihilated by the Falcons. They gave up 21 points and 340 yards. Brady spotted them 7 points.

Fun fact the 21 points scored by Falcons offense was their 2nd least amount scored in a game that year and the 340 yards was the 3rd lowest yardage total in a game that year

Falcons drives in that SB

Punt
Punt
TD (after Blount's fumble)
TD
TD
Punt
Turnover
Punt
Punt



So nah you are wrong on '07 and '11 and they were pretty much the reason why the '16 SB was won because they kept the team in the game against the #1 offense in league that year despite the offense doing nothing for 3 quarters

Must have been tough watching a guy you hate so much play with your "favorite" team for 20 years.

 

[203Pat]

It is stunning how supposed "fans" of the Patriots use the same dumb arguments that Colts/Jets fans used to use back in the day to discredit our SB wins/Brady.

It's pathetic. I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It is stunning how supposed "fans" of the Patriots use the same dumb arguments that Colts/Jets fans used to use back in the day to discredit our SB wins/Brady.

There's a difference between being fans of the Patriots and fans of Brady. You fall in the latter category.

 

[amfootball]

It's pathetic. I don't know what they're trying to accomplish.

You know, I never ever thought this would happen. No matter how things ended with Brady in NE, I always thought he would be celebrated for all the championships and glorious moments he brought for 2 decades. He did not even leave on bad terms. Finished out his contract, had a very short FA period and signed with an NFC team, never bad mouthing the Pats, Kraft or Bill on the way out. To have such vitriol aimed at him now just because the Pats are terrible and the Bucs are poised to make the playoffs, is maybe the saddest sports outcome of 2020 for NE.

 

[sb1]

They gave up 17 points . Pats offense was historic that year. That game was lost by the offense, they were held to season low point total by 6 points. They scored 38 points on the Giants literally 5 weeks before that game. Offense lost that one and really I think that was a loss even before the game when Brady snickered at some prediction that the Pats were only gonna score under 20 points


Ya...... Except that game was basically lost by Brady idiotically intentional grounding and taking a safety which gave the Giants 2 points. Take that away and the score is 19-17 at the end and Pats could have been playing for a FG when they got the ball back with a minute left and a timeout instead of having to play for a TD. Then there was the Welker drop and Brady's bonehead INT trying to go deep to a hobbled Gronk



Defense was not annihilated by the Falcons. They gave up 21 points and 340 yards. Brady spotted them 7 points.

Fun fact the 21 points scored by Falcons offense was their 2nd least amount scored in a game that year and the 340 yards was the 3rd lowest yardage total in a game that year

Falcons drives in that SB

Punt
Punt
TD (after Blount's fumble)
TD
TD
Punt
Turnover
Punt
Punt



So nah you are wrong on '07 and '11 and they were pretty much the reason why the '16 SB was won because they kept the team in the game against the #1 offense in league that year despite the offense doing nothing for 3 quarters

Yeah I really wish Brady didn't make that comment about 17 points. I don't think the 2001-04 Patriots defense would have appreciated it if they heard that from the opposing QB.

SB46 - Brady didn't have his best game but the defense lost that one. Not just the Manningham catch - the Giants were ranked 32nd in the league in rushing and were able to run on us really well. We all know the defense stunk that year. Tbh the Pats were only there because the AFC was pathetic and because Brady threw for 5200 yards. I mean the Tebow Broncos made it to the divisional playoffs. LOL

 

[SHOWTIME15]

SB46 - Brady didn't have his best game but the defense lost that one. Not just the Manningham catch - the Giants were ranked 32nd in the league in rushing and were able to run on us really well. We all know the defense stunk that year. Tbh the Pats were only there because the AFC was pathetic and because Brady threw for 5200 yards. I mean the Tebow Broncos made it to the divisional playoffs. LOL

I would argue that the D played well that game, considering Edelman was playing CB, etc. The loss of Andre Carter earlier in the season hurt too. But giving up 21 points in the Super Bowl for a team ranked near the bottom of the league is pretty damn good. The Giants D was also ranked at the bottom, but the offense couldn't take advantage of it. Dropped passes and a couple of bonehead plays by Brady didn't help either. I thought SB 46 was easily Brady's worst performance. In SB 42 you can blame the offensive line, but Brady had good protection in SB 46. I thought Manningham's catch was one of the greatest catches I've ever seen - he caught it inches in bounds and the ball placement by Eli was amazing. Nothing a defense could do to stop that.

 

[PatsWSB47]

My God how on earth did the Pats survive all those years with Brady at quarterback,? I cant believe all those times he held them back. Good thing he's gone. Good riddance!

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Now, back to the 2020 tamper gronkaneers topic

 

[Doctor DDS]

Would be nice to see Brady/Rogers in a playoff game.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Would be nice to see Brady/Rogers in a playoff game.

Wouldn't mind watching a repeat destruction of GB
Brady Brees Do Not Want

 

[RIpats88]

Is it me or is Antonio Brown the biggest dissapointnent so far.

Scottie miller fits the offense better