OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Kontradiction]

Against good teams (New Orleans, KC, GB, LAR, and Chicago) he's thrown for grand total of 10 TDs. And he's 2nd in the league in INTs behind Carson Wentz. Regardless of whether he's in a different system, he's not elite this year.

Yeah, QBs tend to throw for less yardage and touchdowns against good defenses. A very astute observation.

Weren't you the one telling me the Bucs coaching staff was "good enough" over the summer?

No.

How's that turning out?

Better than it is for us, to date.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Against good teams (New Orleans, KC, GB, LAR, and Chicago) he's thrown for grand total of 10 TDs. And he's 2nd in the league in INTs behind Carson Wentz. Regardless of whether he's in a different system, he's not elite this year.

Weren't you the one telling me the Bucs coaching staff was "good enough" over the summer? How's that turning out?

Except the Rams game all the INT came when they were behind and they were forcing things trying to get back in the game and mostly on deep balls. The Rams INT are the worst for me because they were right in the game.

 

[JMC00]

The other thing working against Bill is he is sub .500 without Brady so if that continues than that also effects his legacy negatively.

Belichick is 3 "Newton making a better decision at the end of the game" away from having a better record than Brady with WeApOnZ

-Newton cuts to the outside against the Seahawks, win

-Newton tucks the ball in his left arm against the Bills, win

-Newton sees a wide open Byrd against the Broncos, win


That's 8-3 if Belichick could somehow mind control Cam into making better decisions in certain moments.

and also possibly another win if Newton didn't get COVID before the KC game

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yeah, QBs tend to throw for less yardage and touchdowns against good defenses. A very astute observation.



No.


Better than it is for us, to date.

So you admit Brady is piling up stats vs crappy teams. And you call that elite? Sorry, if he plays well against good defenses then it's a different story. Elite for a 43-year-old, maybe. Elite for the rest of the NFL this year, no. He's now 1-6 vs super bowl contenders over the past 2 seasons. Cam is now 5-6 as NE starter, while Brady is just 2 games ahead at 7-5.

And yeah it was you who said the Bucs coaching staff was "good enough." I'll try to dig that up but it was months ago you wrote it.

 

[amfootball]

Belichick is 3 "Newton making a better decision at the end of the game" away from having a better record than Brady with WeApOnZ

-Newton cuts to the outside against the Seahawks, win

-Newton tucks the ball in his left arm against the Bills, win

-Newton sees a wide open Byrd against the Broncos, win


That's 8-3 if Belichick could somehow mind control Cam into making better decisions in certain moments.

and also possibly another win if Newton didn't get COVID before the KC game

LOL. Exactly. You are pretty much proving the point. Better QB play especially clutch QB play which is Brady's hallmark and winning record results. Funny how that works.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Are you kidding? He got a 2 year fully guaranteed contract at age 43 when most QBs have been retired for a few years. He is on pace for 37+ TDs and 4300+ yards at age 43 in a brand new system. Just as a reminder, Montana was 37 when he went to the Chiefs for 2 years and then retired. Manning was 36 when he went to Denver for 4 years and then retired.

In terms of legacy, he has a great chance to end the year as the all time TD leader. He was 6 behind Brees to start the year and is now 4 TDs ahead of him. He will also break Favre's record for most games started if he starts the next 4 games. All of this legacy building. Let's be honest. He does not need anymore rings. It would certainly be pretty historic and almost fairy tale-like if he was to take the Bucs to the bowl this year or next but he doesn't need it. He is showing he is still one of the top QBs in the league at age 43 and has his team poised for a playoff run. Let's see if any QB currently playing comes close to that in their 40's. My wager is none of them even get there as a starter much less post the stats Brady has put up for a brand new team with no off-season.

Think you misunderstood. His legacy is set. If the wheels fell off this year he’s still going down as the Goat. You even mentioned what other 43 year old has done what he’s doing? He can only improve his goat status by winning another ring. He can’t tarnish it.

 

[amfootball]

Think you misunderstood. His legacy is set. If the wheels fell off this year he’s still going down as the Goat. You even mentioned what other 43 year old has done what he’s doing? He can only improve his goat status by winning another ring. He can’t tarnish it.

I think I must have misread your post. My apologies. I thought you were saying just the opposite. LOL.

 

[Boomer B]

28 TDs, 11 INTs, 3,300 yards, 95.1 rating in a completely different system after two decades in the E-P isn’t playing at a high level for you?

He’s happier with Cam’s 4 TDs to 9 INTs

 

[Boomer B]

Belichick is 3 "Newton making a better decision at the end of the game" away from having a better record than Brady with WeApOnZ

-Newton cuts to the outside against the Seahawks, win

-Newton tucks the ball in his left arm against the Bills, win

-Newton sees a wide open Byrd against the Broncos, win


That's 8-3 if Belichick could somehow mind control Cam into making better decisions in certain moments.

and also possibly another win if Newton didn't get COVID before the KC game

And if my Aunt had balls she’d be my Uncle. You are what you are.

 

[RicoG]

Are you kidding? He got a 2 year fully guaranteed contract at age 43 when most QBs have been retired for a few years. He is on pace for 37+ TDs and 4300+ yards at age 43 in a brand new system. Just as a reminder, Montana was 37 when he went to the Chiefs for 2 years and then retired. Manning was 36 when he went to Denver for 4 years and then retired.

In terms of legacy, he has a great chance to end the year as the all time TD leader. He was 6 behind Brees to start the year and is now 4 TDs ahead of him. He will also break Favre's record for most games started if he starts the next 4 games. All of this legacy building. Let's be honest. He does not need anymore rings. It would certainly be pretty historic and almost fairy tale-like if he was to take the Bucs to the bowl this year or next but he doesn't need it. He is showing he is still one of the top QBs in the league at age 43 and has his team poised for a playoff run. Let's see if any QB currently playing comes close to that in their 40's. My wager is none of them even get there as a starter much less post the stats Brady has put up for a brand new team with no off-season.

In addition to stats, the bar is not too high. Go at least 3-1 to end the season and make the playoffs. Minimum expectations met.

If they miss the playoff, there will be lots of people disappointed except for the cheering from Brady haters and the NE fans who are down on him.

 

[catent]

“I don’t think Arians warrants much blame” one of the worst statements I’ve heard in a while were you laughing when you typed that



BB didn’t wanna resign him the **** you want him to do retire to please you. You’re a perfect example of someone who didn’t deserve Brady embarrassing

Your final statement, "BB didn't wanna resign him" is not true.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Love Romo's insights but he and his cohort are openly biased against KC, referring to the Chiefs OC as Eric The Enemy. Every. Single. Time.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He’s happier with Cam’s 4 TDs to 9 INTs

Look at what Cam has to work with and compare that to Brady. Brady should be 9-3 at worst right now with the talent he has around him. On the other hand, Cam should probably be 3-8.

 

[Kontradiction]

So you admit Brady is piling up stats vs crappy teams.

That’s the case for every quarterback in the NFL. This isn’t a statistical anomaly that’s unique to Brady. All quarterbacks have better statistical performances against weaker opponents and defenses. All quarterbacks struggle to put up the same stats against stronger opponents and defenses. You have to weigh the season as a whole and add context to it. Taking out performances to try to make a point and skew said statistics just means you have a weak point in the first place.

And you call that elite? Sorry, if he plays well against good defenses then it's a different story. Elite for a 43-year-old, maybe. Elite for the rest of the NFL this year, no. He's now 1-6 vs super bowl contenders over the past 2 seasons. Cam is now 5-6 as NE starter, while Brady is just 2 games ahead at 7-5.

“Elite” is not what you LOL’d at. By changing the topic to elite, you’re moving the goalposts. You LOL’d that he’s still playing at a high level... and he is. If that’s not a high level for you, you must consider our quarterback situation complete and utter trash, maybe worthy of a team playing in a wishbone offense in 1968

And yeah it was you who said the Bucs coaching staff was "good enough." I'll try to dig that up but it was months ago you wrote it.

Looking forward to it.

 

[Kontradiction]

Look at what Cam has to work with and compare that to Brady. Brady should be 9-3 at worst right now with the talent he has around him. On the other hand, Cam should probably be 3-8.

Brady had less to work with last season and yet you just faulted him for his performance against playoff caliber opponents in 2019 while you’re excusing Cam for piss poor play. Not that I don’t agree he doesn’t have much to work with, but if you’re going to excuse away Cam’s performance with **** weapons then it’s logically inconsistent to fault Brady for his performance against playoff caliber opponents last season. That just smacks of bias.

 

[catent]

If he wanted him back he’d have offered a two year deal when Brady wanted it it’s that simple

So if you want to retain personnel, you do it on their terms, no matter what? ... anything other than that is not wanting that person back?

That's not how those negotiations work.

 

[RicoG]

Well, that settles it. Tony Romo says the Bucs are going to be in the Super Bowl vs Kansas City...so there's that.

Tony Romo: Bucs Will Face Chiefs In The Super Bowl - JoeBucsFan.com

For those who stuck with today’s CBS broadcast after the Chiefs’ crushing late first down — and didn’t break their remotes — former Pro Bowl quarterback and CBS game analyst Tony Romo declared the Bucs a Super Bowl team. In […]

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Well, the NFC is wide open, make the playoffs and Tampa has at least as good of a chance as anyone in that division to make the SB.

If they can somehow get it together, like NE seems to do year after year, they will be the favorites. But I wouldn 't bet on it due to coaching.

 

[RicoG]

28 TDs, 11 INTs, 3,300 yards, 95.1 rating in a completely different system after two decades in the E-P isn’t playing at a high level for you?

Even with the last few down games. I'd still rate him in the top 10. If TB can win at least 3 and look good against easier opponents he'll be considered top 5 like he was during the middle of the season.

 

[amfootball]

So if you want to retain personnel, you do it on their terms, no matter what? ... anything other than that is not wanting that person back?

That's not how those negotiations work.

I agree but Brady had just delivered the 6th ring and we had literally no one at the QB spot to take over him. Just simple smart business means you offer Brady a 2 year deal at $25 mil/year. All those reports saying Brady wanted 30 mil plus a year turned out to be wrong. He is making less than Jimmy G. It really is baffling why the Pats moved on with no succession plan at all.

 

[sb1]

Well, that settles it. Tony Romo says the Bucs are going to be in the Super Bowl vs Kansas City...so there's that.

Tony Romo: Bucs Will Face Chiefs In The Super Bowl - JoeBucsFan.com

For those who stuck with today’s CBS broadcast after the Chiefs’ crushing late first down — and didn’t break their remotes — former Pro Bowl quarterback and CBS game analyst Tony Romo declared the Bucs a Super Bowl team. In […]

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They have as good a chance as any top team in the NFC to get there imo.