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Continuing my series on Potential WC teams, lets talk about the Chargers. They finished 11th in PPG on offense and 1st in PPG on defense.


Notable players on Offense

Herbert is the QB. And there are a lot of questions about how good he is. Is he just good or can he be a true elite? We will find out maybe this year. But If i had to guess. He seems to be in the very good but not elite tier, and that makes a big difference.

McConkey was their #1 WR rookie pass catcher and after his first 6 games started to come on strong. Johnson improved in his 2nd year from 431 yards to 711 and was their #2 option. Palmer was their #3 at 584 and Dissly their TE was a decent #4 option with 481. Their other TEs aren’t really worth mentioning much. After that there is a massive drop off. But the next most important option by sheer receptions was Dobbins who had 32 grabs.

Speaking of RBs. Dobbins had a good year rushing with 905 but he missed some time. Edwards helped out with 365. Herbert was their 3rd best rusher at 306. They had some other guys but Dobbins/Edwards pretty much handled most of the reps.

On O line rookie Joe Alt had a very strong showing at RT. The question of if an RT is worth the 5th pick is a good one, but if you were to pick one, Joe wouldn’t be a bad option. Slater is arguably the best LT in the league. After drafting Alt, Pipkins moved inside to guard. He struggled there, but not a total dumpster fire. But not really starter level. Zion Johnson was solid in the other guard spot. Bradley their center probably shouldn’t be starting. But it is close.


Notable players on Defense

The DL featured rookie Tuipulotu, Poona Ford, Morgan Fox, Ogbonnia, Tart and Joey Bosa.... But we need to start with Mack. Who kind of plays the edge role and is an OLB as much as a DE... but he always attacks the QB. He’s Mack after all even in his more advanced age. Joey Bosa stayed mostly healthy last year and is another big part of their edge rush, but he showed when he is on the field he is still a factor. But not as much as he was before the injuries sadly. Still impactful though. Tuli plays mostly DE but some DI too and has had a good rookie year. A lesser known name but big part of their D and how good they have been. Ford on the other hand lives in the middle of that line and though he is only 310 is a bit of a beast in the run game and a very good pass rusher as well. Tart is another lesser known player on that DL who is really good all around. Morgan Fox is okay depth. The fact he was probably their worst main guy shows how good they were here. It is worth noting that while all of these guys grade well, a lot of that probably comes down to having Mack, Bosa and each other to take up attention. Particularly Mack who still got it done at 33 years old.

At LB I’ll start with their Edge. Mack was already mentioned as well as Tuli who plays a good amount of OLB too so.. Bud Dupree played a lot of snaps here, but has seen better days. Last year wasn’t good for him. He was the only other OLB who played meaningful snaps for them. On the inside Henley was almost always out there and played very well in his role. He is a good player. The other LB spot was mostly Perryman, Troy Dye and sometimes Derwin James coming down. We’ll get to James later. Perryman is a solid LB when healthy. Dye is a solid starter no question.

At CB Tarheeb Still had a very solid rookie year. Fulton has a very good skill set. Molden is their #1 who also plays a bit of safety sometimes... he is what I'd call ‘almost a true elite’. Very good and a solid #1... but not quite one of ‘those guys’ imo. However this top 3 with Still as the new nickel is really good. No weak spot to attack. Hart and Taylor were serviceable enough back ups when these 3 all had short term injuries. At Safety is Derwin James. One of the best at his position. Giman the other starter was not good last year and usually hasn’t been, but had a very strong 2023.



FA losses - Bosa - Edge, Palmer - WR, Fulton - CB, Ford - DI, Gus Edwards - RB, Morgan Fox -DI.

FA Gains - Becton - RG, Donte Jackson - CB Najee Harris - RB, Mike Williams - WR, Corklin - TE.

Overall it looks like they lost more than they gained in FA. But Williams could surprise a bit this year and RG was a clear need. That being said they lost a lot of talent on that DL.



Now for the Draft

Hampton at RB was the first pick at 22. Personally, I question this pick. He is a good player, but was it the biggest need and the best value? Maybe someone like Matthew Golden - WR or James Peirce - DE or Malaki Starks - S makes more sense here?

Tre Harris is a great value and need pick at 55. 86 Caldwell - DT and 125 Kennard - DE help with their DL... I am higher on Kennard though. I don’t love any picks after this. At 158 was Lambert-Smith - WR, 165 Gadsden - TE, 199 - Branson Taylor - OL 214 - Mickens - S, 256 Trikweze Bridgers - S. Mickens could be good value, but no one else is someone i like much.

Overall the Chargers have made it a habit to hit well in the first 3 rounds recently. They did so in 2023 and 2024, i think they will again here. Jim Harbaugh has done a great job managing building teams before, he is doing it again here. I think overall they found good value in this latest draft, though again i question the RB pick at 22. I think they had better options.



Where do i see this team in 2025?

First, I want to talk about this D. Clearly this was a very talented unit in 2024, but 2 things stuck out to me. One is they had only 9 turnovers on offense all year, 2nd best in the league. The offense rarely put the D in a bad spot because of it. Also, they finished 11th in total yards surrendered. Some would argue this is a positive for the D. That they bent but didn’t break. But i don’t think the D was built that way. This was an attacking D in 2024. So i happen to think this means due to numerous factors like not facing many good offenses and the ones they did faced scored on them pretty regularly this was not the best D that year. This is not to say i think they weren’t good on D... but probably don’t deserve to be called the best.

They enter this year in a worse state. Bosa was mostly healthy last year for a change, and that was a big help. Mack will still be a great player, and he was arguably still great last year. But he will be 34 this year. They lost a lot of nice depth on the D Line as well as a key starter. That will matter. Ford in particular is an underrated loss. They also downgraded at CB. Jackson for Fulton isn’t a good swap IMO.

This doesn’t mean this D will be bad. They still have a lot of really good players and I do think a few draft picks will contribute as well as some second year guys taking a step up. Still their CB should look more consistent. It is hard to argue they won't be taking a step back on D, but this should still be a unit close to the top of the league.



On offense they clearly got better. Their O line got help on the inside and now should overall be really solid. They clearly gained at RB. They added a good 2nd TE in Conklin. While not a game breaker he is a legit threat to do something with the ball. WR is the key though. In the playoffs we saw their offense had basically become the Ladd show, and it wasn’t enough. Harris will be a nice get for them I think. Johnson still has some room to improve in year 3. And Mike Williams who looked really bad last year had a lot of success on the Chargers before and might have 1 more big year in him. He was good there in 2022. So not long ago. Last year they finished 11th in PPG but 20th in YPG. I think their O was in the middle of those numbers. They lacked options outside of Ladd who could make plays. This year there is every reason to think they will be better.

So do i think their offense improved more than their defense got worse? Maybe. But the point is the balance will help more. These days you really need your offense to do more for you, as Ds just don’t shut down teams like they use to consistently. The Chargers are probably taking a step towards the right direction.

While they may have less talent overall (maybe not) i think they are better built to compete this year. Particularly if Ladd continues to take a step up. Of Ladd’s 1149 yards in the regular season, 884 came in his last 10 games. 657 came in his last 7 games (94 YPG ave) and of course he got 197 yards in his playoff game, And a fair amount of that came with the game still in reach. BTW, those per game numbers in the last half of the year put Ladd with the likes of Jefferson and Nacua.

The Chargers should have a harder schedule this year, but if Ladd becomes one of ‘those guys’ and the other offensive pieces work out more or less like i think they will (not perfectly, but pretty well) I see this team as overall more capable of winning against those good teams. It must be said they had some bad breaks last year. They could have easily gone 12-5 or even 13-4 if they had more luck. With that in mind I think 12-5 is very possible and is my pick. They may even be the division winner if Ladd is the player i think he is... and d%#*!@t we should've had him!
 
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Hampton & Harris should be better or at least more reliable than Dobbins & Edwards, and they have Big-Back depth behind them, but I don't like their 3rd-Down Back situation, unless that's gonna be Hampton's role to start the season... And I agree that I would not have taken him that early either.

At WR, Herbert's hoping that Quentin Johnston continues to mature, McConkey stays healthy and that Mike Williams has one more season left in him; he's also gonna need at least one yute to emerge for him from among rookie Tre Harris and legacies Brenden Rice & rookie WR-to-TE Oronde Gadsden Jr... Gadsden's fellow TEs Conklin & Dissly are OK, though I think I'd rather still have Double-H & Hooper anyway... The depth at both positions behind those already mentioned kinda sucks, including old friend Jalen Reagor.

Naturally, each and every one of their starting OLmen is > ours, position-by-position, though I don't like the depth at Tackle behind the starters, especially if one considers both Salyer & Messy Bacon as Guards...

On defense, I like their NTs, including the rookie Caldwell, but I feel the opposite regarding their DEs. They might be better-served starting an all-NT front 3... Joey Bosa's leadership might be more difficult to replace than his recent production, but they're hoping that rookie Kyle Kennard can help with the latter; if he can, then a foursome of him, Mack, Bud Dupree & Tuipulotu should still be a formidable pass-rushing group... Nothing behind them however... Their ILBs of Colson/Henley/Perryman/Troy Dye are solid if not spectacular.

They don't have any Pro-Bowl-caliber starting talent at CB, but they can go 8 deep, more than most teams...They're probably hoping that rookie RJ Mickens can stabilize the Free Safety position next to Pro Bowl SS Derwin James; lotta questionable depth, including 33-year-old Tony Jefferson, behind them however.
 
Most overrated QB in the league. Laughable that some analysts talk like he’s never the problem. They started souring on Lawrence last year, perhaps this season is the one they finally see it in this overhyped QB.

Zero postseason success.
 
Most overrated QB in the league. Laughable that some analysts talk like he’s never the problem. They started souring on Lawrence last year, perhaps this season is the one they finally see it in this overhyped QB.

Zero postseason success.
Herbert is twice the QB Lawrence is.
 
Wow. They have ‘patches’ celebrating their individual accomplishments.
 
Good write up Bob.

However, I'll have to disagree that their overall team is "very talented". They have some players with talent like Herbert, the OL, McConky and James, but that's really about it. Overall, they are a very limited team both offensively and defensively who can't stack up with the better teams in the AFC. Their 11-6 record is a mirage. The NFL is so weak right now, you can dismantle a team and yet somehow have a winning record in this era like the Chiefs and Bills. Like the 2021 Pats, they had a script. Once they went off the script was when they fell off the rails. The Chargers went 3-5 against teams .500 and above which 2 of those wins were against Denver. Then they got was coming with beatdown against a hobbling Texans team.

I've had my issues with Herbert in the past as he's had more talent at his disposal, but found ways to lose. Now the team hardly has any talent. The narrative of him continually losing when it matters will continue.
 
Good write up Bob.

However, I'll have to disagree that their overall team is "very talented". They have some players with talent like Herbert, the OL, McConky and James, but that's really about it. Overall, they are a very limited team both offensively and defensively who can't stack up with the better teams in the AFC. Their 11-6 record is a mirage. The NFL is so weak right now, you can dismantle a team and yet somehow have a winning record in this era like the Chiefs and Bills. Like the 2021 Pats, they had a script. Once they went off the script was when they fell off the rails. The Chargers went 3-5 against teams .500 and above which 2 of those wins were against Denver. Then they got was coming with beatdown against a hobbling Texans team.

I've had my issues with Herbert in the past as he's had more talent at his disposal, but found ways to lose. Now the team hardly has any talent. The narrative of him continually losing when it matters will continue.

Well it depends on the context and comparison you're making. In the current NFL compared to those teams they are very talented. If we compare them to the Eagles only, not so much.

The problem with today's NFL is how offense focused the game is. You can stack your D as much as you want, but top offenses will eventually break through. The Chargers last year even with Ladd peaking were very mid offensively. Their D eventually break down when the offense made mistakes that game mostly due to lack of talent. Add in the Texans had talent on offense and while the D held for a while it eventually broke.

Trying to win with a stacked D and middling offense doesn't really work anymore consistently. This is part of why the lost more games then they won against the top teams. But also remember they should have easily had KC and a fluke kicking play cost them. Last year however they were not equal to the absolute elite of the league. This year, maybe not again. But I think they are closer.
 
Most overrated QB in the league. Laughable that some analysts talk like he’s never the problem. They started souring on Lawrence last year, perhaps this season is the one they finally see it in this overhyped QB.

Zero postseason success.
Farn.. I'm happy to see someone see exactly what I've been seeing in Herbert. Good QB but will never be great. He came into the league with weapons and still couldn't take advantage.

That Texans playoff loss should have suprised no one.
 
Farn.. I'm happy to see someone see exactly what I've been seeing in Herbert. Good QB but will never be great. He came into the league with weapons and still couldn't take advantage.

That Texans playoff loss should have suprised no one.
Yeah... He has. The Chargers seem to get guys like this often. He has the same feeling to me that Phillip Rivers gave, but I personally think Rivers was just a bit better. I wonder if history will see it this way. I mean is he really any worse than Kaepernick? Look what Jim Harbaugh did with him. He also won much more than he lost in the brief time Alex Smith was his starter.

Those guys aren't trash, but it can be argued Herbert is clearly the best QB he's had to this point. So i think if those 2 stay together long term Herbert will end up with a Ring.

As an aside I plan to do another OT - Steelers post, but I've been doing one a week and they take a bit of a work. So no post this week if you were looking for it, as well as I think it be good to let the dust settle with the Rodgers thing to see if anything else pops up.
 
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Yeah... He has the Chargers seem to get guys like this often. He has the same feeling to me that Phillip Rivers gave, but I personally think Rivers was just a bit better. I wonder if history will see it this way. I mean is he really any worse than Kaepernick? Look what Jim Harbaugh did with him. He also won much more than he lost in the brief time Alex Smith was his starter.

Those guys aren't trash, but it can be argued Herbert is clearly the best QB he's had to this point. So i think if those 2 stay together long term Herbert will end up with a Ring.

As an aside I plan to do another OT - Steelers post, but I've been doing one a week and they take a bit of a work. So no post this week if you were looking for it, as well as I think it be good to let the dust settle with the Rodgers thing to see if anything else pops up.
I think the Rivers analogy is an interesting one. I would point out that I doubt many looked at Rivers after 5 years starting and said his chances of winning were over. Herbert still has a potentially long window in front of him.
 
Yeah... He has the Chargers seem to get guys like this often. He has the same feeling to me that Phillip Rivers gave, but I personally think Rivers was just a bit better. I wonder if history will see it this way. I mean is he really any worse than Kaepernick? Look what Jim Harbaugh did with him. He also won much more than he lost in the brief time Alex Smith was his starter.

Those guys aren't trash, but it can be argued Herbert is clearly the best QB he's had to this point. So i think if those 2 stay together long term Herbert will end up with a Ring.

As an aside I plan to do another OT - Steelers post, but I've been doing one a week and they take a bit of a work. So no post this week if you were looking for it, as well as I think it be good to let the dust settle with the Rodgers thing to see if anything else pops up.
Bob,

As always great insights. I appreciate your material. I'd agree that Herbert is the most talented. He does have some Rivers in him. Think about all those talented teams rivers has had over the years and although he came close in 2007 against us in the AFCCG where he played on an ACL injury.

Herbert was very efficient last season, but when it came down to post season where it matters most he fades. On the steelers, the Rooney family needs to target, and draft a QB as I thought they would've this past draft. They have been just as bad as we have at QB post Brady and rothelesburger.
 
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I think the Rivers analogy is an interesting one. I would point out that I doubt many looked at Rivers after 5 years starting and said his chances of winning were over. Herbert still has a potentially long window in front of him.
For example Brady was early on a good QB who played great in the postseason, and ultimately became great. some guys are wired differently.. Brady having to work for everything he's ever gotten in his NFL career compared to say some guys that are all American in HS. Starters in the NCAA. It's a culture shock when those guys have to come in and work for it.

Imagine the humble pie Sanders must be tasting now for example.
 
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