OT: Justin Jefferson signs a team friendly deal for $35 million a year

[PatsFan2]

He did only play 11 games. Douglas managed 14.

So it was you sorry Wozzy. Don't make me angry roc you wouldn't like me if I'm angry!

 

[rochrist]

So it was you sorry Wozzy. Don't make me angry roc you wouldn't like me if I'm angry!

Nah, I never said anything on way or the other on Dell predraft. I just got curious and looked up the two players rookie seasons. But,, I mean, it isn't totally unreasonable to think that a guy who weighs 165 pounds may have a bit of trouble staying on the field in the NFL.

 

[XLIX]

Nether will make the NFL Hall Of Fame,

I never said they would, but they are certainly better than your incredibly ignorant depiction of them as "just competent WRs".

Newsflash for the ignorant: There's middle ground between Hall of Famer and "just competent".

We’re not talking about QB’s, great QB play is a given. We’re talking about the WR position, stick to the topic. Nick Foles beat Brady with Alshon Jeffrey, very good WR but he’s not making the HOF either. History is littered with Super Bowl winners who didn’t have a league best WR on them.

For you to think old football "history" is relevant to the current conversation only further shows how ignorant you are. If we were talking about "history" I could spend hours on the importance of the RB position and all the great RBs who led their teams to Super Bowls.

But here in 2024 that position don't matter a whole bunch now does it?

Generational QB is a bullsht designation that indicates a great QB on the best team in the NFL.

If you think calling Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes generational quarterbacks is "********" then you are a complete moron.

Joe Burrow would be “generational” if he had the most expensive OLine in football and best coordinator like Mahomes has.

Only in the eyes of someone as phenomenally ignorant as yourself. Intelligent football fans - which you clearly are not - can tell the difference between Burrow and Mahomes/Brady.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Joe Burrow would be “generational” if he had the most expensive OLine in football and best coordinator like Mahomes has.

It will be interesting to see how the O-line does especially with whipping boy Trent Brown at RT. Burrow is the only QB that stands in the Chiefs way going 3-0 against them until the 2022 AFCCG. The media was coming at the Chiefs saying the Bengals own them and we saw how the Chiefs players reacted after the refs handed them the game calling the media out. However, RB is a major weakness. Zak Moss isn't going to cut it.

Herbert would be generational if he had any semblance of a great team around him… watch as Harbaugh magically turns Herbert from a good QB into a “generational” one. You will attribute it to QB magic, he simply improved… he didn’t, his team improved.

Like Rivers, Herbert has had talent around them which amounted to nothing. Their roster is pretty depleted now, so we might have to wait some time to see if Harbaugh can turn things around.

 

[Wozzy]

I never said they would, but they are certainly better than your incredibly ignorant depiction of them as "just competent WRs".

Newsflash for the ignorant: There's middle ground between Hall of Famer and "just competent".

You're trying to paint a picture where I've disparaged beloved Patriot WR's from the past, rather than prove me wrong. Nice try...

For you to think old football "history" is relevant to the current conversation only further shows how ignorant you are. If we were talking about "history" I could spend hours on the importance of the RB position and all the great RBs who led their teams to Super Bowls.

You trying to portray seven years ago, or the last two years with the Chiefs for that matter, as ancient history where guys were wearing leather helmets and no face mask is again.. laughable.

But here in 2024 that position don't matter a whole bunch now does it?

The Chiefs haven't thought so the last two years... and nobody said the position doesn't matter. Saying a position "doesn't matter" is a world of difference from saying I don't want to pay a single WR 35 million per... isn't it.

If you think calling Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes generational quarterbacks is "********" then you are a complete moron.

Only in the eyes of someone as phenomenally ignorant as yourself. Intelligent football fans - which you clearly are not - can tell the difference between Burrow and Mahomes/Brady.

QB magic... intelligent football fans don't believe in it anymore than they believe in the tooth fairy or unicorns. Brady won 3 rings at the beginning and end of his Patriot run because the teams around him were better. Not because he possessed some magical power that lost juice for the decade in between 2005-2013.

Despite winning MVP in 2018 Mahomes couldn't win it all with no defense, he also looked mortal in 2020 when his offensive line got injured before the postseason and the Buc's defense totally embarrassed him by sacking him three times, picking him off twice and holding him to a 52.3 QB Rating.... there was nothing "generational" about that finish.

It's a team sport, there's no room for fantasy or a belief in unicorns... except in the minds of football fans with no intelligence.

 

[Wozzy]

It will be interesting to see how the O-line does especially with whipping boy Trent Brown at RT. Burrow is the only QB that stands in the Chiefs way going 3-0 against them until the 2022 AFCCG. The media was coming at the Chiefs saying the Bengals own them and we saw how the Chiefs players reacted after the refs handed them the game calling the media out. However, RB is a major weakness. Zak Moss isn't going to cut it.

The Bengals also have to fix their defense. They went from having one of the best defenses in the NFL in 2020 and 2021 to allowing the 24th most points per drive last season. That probably hurt them as much as anything because Jake Browning played surprisingly well at QB.

The line potentially looks better on paper, but there are a lot of question marks there still. Even the monster OT they drafted Amarius Mims had a very limited college career. I'll believe they've finally fixed that offensive line when I see it, what they've put in front of Burrow and Mixon has been criminal to this point.

Like Rivers, Herbert has had talent around them which amounted to nothing. Their roster is pretty depleted now, so we might have to wait some time to see if Harbaugh can turn things around.

Herbert never had a great team around him, he had some great individual players, but that does not equate to a great team. This is evidenced by the fact he has gone through three different head coaches in four years.

Even his "weapons" were great mostly by reputation, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams were nearing 30 years old when Herbert was a rookie... that was four years ago. His lines have mostly stunk, his defenses over the last four years have ranked 22nd, 29th, 20th and 23rd in points allowed per drive. Mahomes D for example was ranked 3rd in points allowed last season, his offensive line one of the league's best... that's a great team.

 

[XLIX]

You're trying to paint a picture where I've disparaged beloved Patriot WR's from the past, rather than prove me wrong. Nice try...

I am using your own words against you and fact is you did disparage beloved Patriot WR's from the past. The following is a direct quote, your words:

"Troy Brown, Welker, Edelman, Amendola... what do they all have in common?

They were all 7th round picks or UDFA's.... seems you can win rings just competent WR's." - Wozzy (direct quote)

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

You trying to portray seven years ago, or the last two years with the Chiefs for that matter, as ancient history where guys were wearing leather helmets and no face mask is again.. laughable.

No, I am talking about the past 10 years.

FACT: The greatest predictor of success in the NFL is having a generational QB. However, given that those don't exactly grow on trees, the other 31 teams without generational QB's with the most success are all ones with solid-to-dominant WR corps.

 

[Wozzy]

I am using your own words against you and fact is you did disparage beloved Patriot WR's from the past. The following is a direct quote, your words:

"Troy Brown, Welker, Edelman, Amendola... what do they all have in common?

They were all 7th round picks or UDFA's.... seems you can win rings just competent WR's." - Wozzy (direct quote)

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

Idiocy is you suggesting I said they were bad players, bigger idiocy is you pretending they’re in the Randy Moss, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek realm where they were close to the best WR’s in the league or highest paid.

No, I am talking about the past 10 years.

It didn't matter the Chiefs traded away Tyreek two years ago because the draft picks received and money saved against the cap allowed them to build up the entire team around Mahomes and pay Chris Jones… the actual 2nd most important player on that team.

They literally traded the best weapon in the NFL and got better... addition by subtraction. Ultimately it's a team game and the best team usually wins.

FACT: The greatest predictor of success in the NFL is having a generational QB. However, given that those don't exactly grow on trees, the other 31 teams without generational QB's with the most success are all ones with solid-to-dominant WR corps.

Generational QB’s is a made up term, nonsense… so calling it the greatest predicator of success is a made up stat, more nonsense.

At no point during his career was Terry Bradshaw near the best QB in the NFL, he was middling and has the second most rings after Brady. Eli Manning has two rings, Marino has none.

QB’s success, in the postseason especially, is largely determined by the team around them… not magical powers that only you and a handful of QB fanboys here can quantify or see using a list.

Mahomes has had better teams than Burrow or Herbert, it’s not due to his magic powers. That’s some real childish thinking there.

 

[Boomer B]

KC have won their Super Bowls with ELITE qb and ELITE O line with average to mediocre WRs.

They then grabbed Hollywood brown at a discount and jumped us fot a lottery ticket in Xavier Worthy.

I expect KC to compete for years.

Houston then went and traded for a underpaid, under appreciated Diggs and l locked up their best wr for under market value.

These are the two best run teams in the league right now.

Baltimore blew the dust off of Agholar and drafted a guy we all had neck and neck with Gonzalez for need.

Point is Higgins and Aiyuk both come with huge risks especially at 30 mill range,

Higgins can be perform without Chase taking coverage away and not having Burrow?
Aiyuk is very talented but how much of it is that system where they just seem to plug and play guys who can make big plays in that Shanny offense?

Yes, but KC has the best TE in the league who plays offline and more like a #1 WR than a true inline TE.

 

[XLIX]

Idiocy is you suggesting I said they were bad players,

I never said you said they were bad players. I said you said they were "just competent WR's" - and that is literally exactly what you said. Calling Troy Brown and Julian Edelman "just competent" is something only a total moron would do.

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

Generational QB’s is a made up term, nonsense…

Every single word in the English language is made up, and every single member of this forum - except you - knows exactly what is meant by the phrase "generational quarterback."

 

[XLIX]

Yes, but KC has the best TE in the league who plays offline and more like a #1 WR than a true inline TE.

He always manages to ignore that fact....

 

[Wozzy]

I never said you said they were bad players. I said you said they were "just competent WR's" - and that is literally exactly what you said. Calling Troy Brown and Julian Edelman "just competent" is something only a total moron would do.

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

A very good or even great slot receiver is still a median level receiver. Every Patriot receiver I mentioned was a 7th round pick, 8th round pick (doesn't even exist anymore) or an UDFA.

You pretending these guys are in the realm of Justin Jefferson or other top salary WR's is peak idiocy.

Every single word in the English language is made up, and every single member of this forum - except you - knows exactly what is meant by the phrase "generational quarterback."

You're the only one here providing "generational QB" as some benchmark or measure of something that can transcend bad teams around them. In your next breath you'll whine how BB didn't give Tom weapons in 2019... which is it? You'll moan how BB didn't play Malcolm Butler in the 2017 Super Bowl. Can they overcome a lack of weapons, blocking and defense or not?

That's the problem with these childish fever dreams you guys have, where Mahomes can overcome bad blocking or bad anything... he hasn't.

When he had bad blocking he got absolutely shellacked by the Tampa D in the Super Bowl... destroyed. Which prompted Andy Reid to go out and buy the most expensive line in football and steal Thuney away from us next offseason. When Tom had poor blocking he struggled also, he got hurt in 2019... these guys are no different from any other great QB in history, other than they had better teams more consistently.

In short, the difference between Patrick Mahomes, Burrow or Herbert is infinitesimal... tiny. The difference between the Chiefs, Bengals and Chargers was massive.

You ascribe this ^ to QB magic, some invisible attribute that only you can see... like Santa Claus. It's childlike and adorable in kids... grown adults not so much.

 

[Wozzy]

Yes, but KC has the best TE in the league who plays offline and more like a #1 WR than a true inline TE.

Travis Kelce was 34 last season and is slowing down... he's also a TE.

He didn't eclipse 1000 yards despite being peppered with the same inordinate amount of targets that he always has.

He's not a #1 WR.... he's an old TE.

 

[Boomer B]

Travis Kelce was 34 last season and is slowing down... he's also a TE.

He didn't eclipse 1000 yards despite being peppered with the same inordinate amount of targets that he always has.

He's not a #1 WR.... he's an old TE.

He may be getting old but he had 32 catches and 3 TDs in last years playoffs.

 

[XLIX]

A very good or even great slot receiver is still a median level receiver. Every Patriot receiver I mentioned was a 7th round pick, 8th round pick (doesn't even exist anymore) or an UDFA.

You pretending these guys are in the realm of Justin Jefferson or other top salary WR's is peak idiocy.

Stop gaslighting. I never compared Troy Brown and Julian Edelman to Justin Jefferson. In fact, I specifically stated "There's middle ground between Hall of Famer and "just competent".

Here's the difference between you and me. In order to make me look bad, you have to drastically misrepresent (and lie about) what I said. In order to make you look bad, all I have to do is quote exactly what you said, word for word.

"Troy Brown, Welker, Edelman, Amendola... what do they all have in common? They were all 7th round picks or UDFA's.... seems you can win rings just competent WR's." - Wozzy (direct quote)

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

In short, the difference between Patrick Mahomes, Burrow or Herbert is infinitesimal... tiny.

Yeah, that's another level of idiocy you've brought into the conversation. I'll add that to the list.

You ascribe this ^ to QB magic, some invisible attribute that only you can see... like Santa Claus. It's childlike and adorable in kids... grown adults not so much.

Yup. Uh huh. Sure. I'm the only one who thinks Patrick Mahomes is the best active QB in the NFL and that it isn't even close. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. No one else shares that opinion.

Keep digging yourself deeper. It's hilarious to watch!!!

 

[Wozzy]

Stop gaslighting. I never compared Troy Brown and Julian Edelman to Justin Jefferson. In fact, I specifically stated "There's middle ground between Hall of Famer and "just competent".

Here's the difference between you and me. In order to make me look bad, you have to drastically misrepresent (and lie about) what I said. In order to make you look bad, all I have to do is quote exactly what you said, word for word.

"Troy Brown, Welker, Edelman, Amendola... what do they all have in common?

They were all 7th round picks or UDFA's.... seems you can win rings just competent WR's." - Wozzy (direct quote)

Don't blame me for the idiocy that you typed up.

Yeah, that's another level of idiocy you've brought into the conversation.

Yup. Uh huh. Sure. I'm the only one who thinks Patrick Mahomes is the best active QB in the NFL and that it isn't even close. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. No one else shares that opinion.

Keep digging yourself deeper. It's hilarious to watch!!!

Now you're just blathering on and on...

The topic is overpaid WR's, if I can find competent WR's in the 7th round or as UDFA's then there's no need to tide for then pay a top of the market deal.

You support this idiotic practice, thank god you don't run the Patriots.

 

[XLIX]

You support this idiotic practice, thank god you don't run the Patriots.

Nice to see you're happy with 4-13.

"the difference between Patrick Mahomes, Burrow or Herbert is infinitesimal... tiny." - local idiot

 

[Wozzy]

Nice to see you're happy with 4-13.

They haven't played a single game this season, there is no record.

"the difference between Patrick Mahomes, Burrow or Herbert is infinitesimal... tiny." - local idiot

QB Magic... unicorns and fairy's.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

He may be getting old but he had 32 catches and 3 TDs in last years play

Yep, he really stepped it up ... bastard!

 

[203Pat]

Jefferson is taking up the same cap percentage that Calvin Johnson did when he signed his deal. The cap is going to increase pretty drastically every year making the cap even more irrelevant.