OT: Jets Owner: Revis unlikely to sign before start of season

[tzaf75]

none of you think that a year away from football will effect how he is seen by other teams?
or will effect his skill level?

do you realy think that its good for an athlet in his prime to lose one year of playing time?

he has 3 more years left on his contract and if he doesnt play this year will not count,what if the jets decide not to do anything about his contract after he miss the season and tell him to take it or just miss another year, what has he earned then?

in general i dont think its a good idea for an NFL player to miss a year.

 

[BradyFTW!]

none of you think that a year away from football will effect how he is seen by other teams?
or will effect his skill level?

do you realy think that its good for an athlet in his prime to lose one year of playing time?

he has 3 more years left on his contract and if he doesnt play this year will not count,what if the jets decide not to do anything about his contract after he miss the season and tell him to take it or just miss another year, what has he earned then?

in general i dont think its a good idea for an NFL player to miss a year.

I agree that it's a bad idea, but so was holding out to this point. ALl that matters to me is that by all accounts they've made virtually no progress, and Revis (like Mankins) seems stupid/stubborn enough to actually pull through on his threats. And a lot of his disincentives against holding out go away when he doesn't report today. If he's willing to lose a year of FA eligibility, then he pretty much *has* to get a new contract. Otherwise he and his agent come out of this looking like a complete moron. For their image's sake (and image matters more to these guys than sunk cost theory), at that point they might as well just force a trade so that at least something happens that they can point to as a success.

 

[Deus Irae]

none of you think that a year away from football will effect how he is seen by other teams?
or will effect his skill level?

Not in the slightest

do you realy think that its good for an athlet in his prime to lose one year of playing time?

It depends on the athlete. This is a cornerback, which is a position that sees top players still good into their early to mid 30's. Losing one year in order to significantly improve his finances will be fine for him.

he has 3 more years left on his contract and if he doesnt play this year will not count,what if the jets decide not to do anything about his contract after he miss the season and tell him to take it or just miss another year, what has he earned then?

You keep ignoring the 'buy back' provisions.

in general i dont think its a good idea for an NFL player to miss a year.

It'll depend on the player. A 'lazy' player will be in trouble. A hard worker will be fine.

 

[ylekram]

Haven't had the chance to read the entire thread yet, but didn't Woody Johnson tell ESPN yesterday that he wouldn't be suprised if Revis was playing somewhere else by 2011? I heard that today but haven't been able to find it anywhere.

i beleive i have the answer you are looking for.woody was asked if he thought that revis will play for the jets in 2010.woody said "no".

on another show,woody was asked if the jets had plans to trade revis,and woody stated something to the fact that it hasnt been decided/discussed yet,but probably not

 

[Deus Irae]

More fun.....

Florio discussed the chances of the Jets trading Darrelle Revis earlier Tuesday, calling it a "remote possibility" that the Jets could at least consider.

G.M. Mike Tannenbaum confirmed the team did just that.

In one interview Monday, Johnson said he didn't expect Revis back for Week One. In another interview with E:60, Johnson said he didn't expect Revis back this season at all.

Jets acknowledge they discussed trading Darrelle Revis | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[alamo]

Courtesy of Florio, here is a prime example of the faulty logic that went into the Asamugha deal...

Nnamdi Asomugha's deal wasn't as bad as the Jets suggest | ProFootballTalk.com

I agree, Florio seems to think by explaining where the numbers came from that makes it a good deal... wrong.
It was the best deal the Raiders could do, because they mismanaged the situation to start with, but it was still a bad deal.

No- he loses a year of credit towards UFA, so he'll be an RFA instead of an UFA if he buys out his contract after this year and the Jets don't exercise their option to re-buy it back.

Agreed. But that has relatively little meaning because he could just do what Mankins has done.

in general i dont think its a good idea for an NFL player to miss a year.

In general that's true, but that doesn't mean this isn't an exception.
One player who made out very well by sitting out was Sean Gilbert... Revis' uncle and advisor.

 

[Ring 6]

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Jets acknowledge they discussed trading Darrelle Revis | ProFootballTalk.com

It may have to end with a trade.
It seems like they are each philoophically opposed to each others position.
He would have too much value to the Jets to know they wont sign him and still not trade him.

Realistically, I expect hie will report at some point and they will throw hima few bucks and promise him they will go through the same circus again next year, after there is a CBA.
I expect him to be less effective without a camp (every holdout ever has gotten injured or played less effectively because of it) so next year the Jets can tell him he doesnt get as much because their 6-10 season was his fault, and he can be 'insulted'.

 

[ausbacker]

Not in the slightest

It depends on the athlete. This is a cornerback, which is a position that sees top players still good into their early to mid 30's. Losing one year in order to significantly improve his finances will be fine for him.

You keep ignoring the 'buy back' provisions.

It'll depend on the player. A 'lazy' player will be in trouble. A hard worker will be fine.

Bulldust. I do wonder if you hold the positions you do sometimes to incite heated debate Deus Irae.

If you don't think a player sitting out for an entire season owing to a contract dispute wont affect the perception that teams have of that player then you're incredibly naive.

Whilst that year away wont diminish Revis' skills how could you possibly argue that no team wouldn't think twice about a supremely gifted player who sat on the sideline for an entire season to prove a point about his own perceived financial worth? That's not to say that someone wouldn't pay him but I doubt it'll be a contender. Woody is being left to deal with Rex's stupidity in running his mouth.

Seriously.

 

[alamo]

Realistically, I expect hie will report at some point and they will throw hima few bucks and promise him they will go through the same circus again next year, after there is a CBA.

There is little doubt they already offered this a month ago and it was rejected by Revis. So "a few bucks" will have to become "beaucoup bucks" to get him into camp, though not necessarily 15M a year.

 

[Ring 6]

Bulldust. I do wonder if you hold the positions you do sometimes to incite heated debate Deus Irae.

If you don't think a player sitting out for an entire season owing to a contract dispute wont affect the perception that teams have of that player then you're incredibly naive.

Whilst that year away wont diminish Revis' skills how could you possibly argue that no team wouldn't think twice about a supremely gifted player who sat on the sideline for an entire season to prove a point about his own perceived financial worth? That's not to say that someone wouldn't pay him but I doubt it'll be a contender.

Seriously.

I could see either side of this argument, because teams get a little nuts when a good player becomes a FA bu the fact that he is holding out with 3 years left, and doing so because he wants the honor of being highest paid, would scare at least some teams away because they would expect him to be back knocking on the door in 3 years when salaries escalted and he decided that he needs to be highest paid again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bulldust. I do wonder if you hold the positions you do sometimes to incite heated debate Deus Irae.

If you don't think a player sitting out for an entire season owing to a contract dispute wont affect the perception that teams have of that player then you're incredibly naive.

Whilst that year away wont diminish Revis' skills how could you possibly argue that no team wouldn't think twice about a supremely gifted player who sat on the sideline for an entire season to prove a point about his own perceived financial worth? That's not to say that someone wouldn't pay him but I doubt it'll be a contender. Woody is being left to deal with Rex's stupidity in running his mouth.

Seriously.

Those who considered him the best in the game will still consider him to be at the top of the heap. Any issues about his holding out are already set in the minds of teams, or at least will be once he gets past week 1. The length of the holdout just goes to his level of determination. As has been noted many times in the media, Sean Gilbert did the same thing and made more money as a result.

So, I guess we'll just continue to disagree on the point.

 

[ausbacker]

I could see either side of this argument, because teams get a little nuts when a good player becomes a FA bu the fact that he is holding out with 3 years left, and doing so because he wants the honor of being highest paid, would scare at least some teams away because they would expect him to be back knocking on the door in 3 years when salaries escalted and he decided that he needs to be highest paid again.

That's the point AndyJohnson. To make a comment "not in the slightest" is ill-advised for the very reason of objectivity. Compelling arguments can be made for and against.

This whole situation with Darelle Revis has changed my perception of him and I am sure it would have changed his perception amongst NFL administrators.

There's Plenty of I in Revis.

 

[ausbacker]

Those who considered him the best in the game will still consider him to be at the top of the heap. Any issues about his holding out are already set in the minds of teams, or at least will be once he gets past week 1. The length of the holdout just goes to his level of determination. As has been noted many times in the media, Sean Gilbert did the same thing and made more money as a result.

So, I guess we'll just continue to disagree on the point.

All you're doing is generalizing Deus Irae. If it follows the Gilbert trajectory then I guess we can kiss Revis and the Jets association good bye.

 

[Kontradiction]

Bulldust. I do wonder if you hold the positions you do sometimes to incite heated debate Deus Irae.

If you don't think a player sitting out for an entire season owing to a contract dispute wont affect the perception that teams have of that player then you're incredibly naive.

Whilst that year away wont diminish Revis' skills how could you possibly argue that no team wouldn't think twice about a supremely gifted player who sat on the sideline for an entire season to prove a point about his own perceived financial worth? That's not to say that someone wouldn't pay him but I doubt it'll be a contender. Woody is being left to deal with Rex's stupidity in running his mouth.

Seriously.

I only have a nitpick with the bolded. We should all remember, now, that it was the Jets who approached Revis first and that it was the Jets coach who has repeatedly said that Revis is the best he's ever seen. Revis is only "perceiving" his financial worth because the Jets have led him to see it. This is entirely a monster that they have created.

 

[Deus Irae]

All you're doing is generalizing Deus Irae. If it follows the Gilbert trajectory then I guess we can kiss Revis and the Jets association good bye.

Of course I'm generalizing. The question calls for a generalization, since it's not aimed at specific owners.

 

[Ring 6]

There is little doubt they already offered this a month ago and it was rejected by Revis. So "a few bucks" will have to become "beaucoup bucks" to get him into camp, though not necessarily 15M a year.

Not really because the longer he stays out the more likely he is to accept a bandaid solution so he can play football. Lets not forget while it is a business, these guys really want to be out there playing football.

 

[ausbacker]

I only have a nitpick with the bolded. We should all remember, now, that it was the Jets who approached Revis first and that it was the Jets coach who has repeatedly said that Revis is the best he's ever seen. Revis is only "perceiving" his financial worth because the Jets have led him to see it. This is entirely a monster that they have created.

That's specifically why I included it as perceived financial worth KontradictioN. The whole Revis-Jets thing is a combination of factors that have been poorly managed between the two parties.

Rex Ryan has handcuffed the Jets in his want to make a name for himself and talk up his team. Darrelle Revis has run with that. My point becomes is that the perceived value the majority of teams would be willing to pay for Revis' services or not?

What this boils down to is Al Davis and Asomugha's ridiculous contract setting precedent.

Of course I'm generalizing. The question calls for a generalization, since it's not aimed at specific owners.

That would be fair enough if you hadn't stated "not in the slightest" which then becomes rather specific given the generalization.

I have no problem with the perception that Revis' skills won't diminish or his quality if he holds out for the entire season. What I see as being problematic is the perception of Darrelle Revis who was willing to sit out a season for financial gain. Not that it hasn't been done before but my perception of that player changes and will continue to the longer the hold out goes. Why would that be any different for GM's or owners?

Surely there comes a time where the NFL has to do something about honoring contracts for both player and team. This is a system fault.

 

[Deus Irae]

That would be fair enough if you hadn't stated "not in the slightest" which then becomes rather specific given the generalization.

I have no problem with the perception that Revis' skills won't diminish or his quality if he holds out for the entire season. What I see as being problematic is the perception of Darrelle Revis who was willing to sit out a season for financial gain. Not that it hasn't been done before but my perception of that player changes and will continue to the longer the hold out goes. Why would that be any different for GM's or owners?

Surely there comes a time where the NFL has to do something about honoring contracts for both player and team. This is a system fault.

Hold on, now. I said "Not in the slightest" to a specific query. Your complaints about the system are a separate issue.:

none of you think that a year away from football will effect how he is seen by other teams?
or will effect his skill level?

I don't think a year away from football will effect either of those at all. Once he's willing to miss any games at all this year, how those teams feel about him will already be determined and, given that he's only about 25 years old, his skill level should only be effected by whether or not he spends the off-timekeeping up his fitness level, just as it would during a traditional offseason.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's specifically why I included it as perceived financial worth KontradictioN. The whole Revis-Jets thing is a combination of factors that have been poorly managed between the two parties.

Rex Ryan has handcuffed the Jets in his want to make a name for himself and talk up his team. Darrelle Revis has run with that. My point becomes is that the perceived value the majority of teams would be willing to pay for Revis' services or not?

I don't have a problem with what Revis is doing. The team dangled the carrot in front of him and he's taking it and running with it. The fault for this mess lays squarely at the feet of the Jets. There's a much smaller chance that this is going on right now if they don't blow smoke up his ass about how good he is and make a big deal about approaching him with a new contract in the offseason.

 

[ausbacker]

Hold on, now. I said "Not in the slightest" to a specific query. Your complaints about the system are a separate issue.:



I don't think a year away from football will effect either of those at all. Once he's willing to miss any games at all this year, how those teams feel about him will already be determined and, given that he's only about 25 years old, his skill level should only be effected by whether or not he spends the off-timekeeping up his fitness level, just as it would during a traditional offseason.

Seems strange to make a general comment for a specific question then doesn't it.

We both agree that Revis football skill perception will not change amongst the 32 teams. It appears that we disagree on Revis character perception amongst the 32 teams. The blame game is of no interest to me.

I don't have a problem with what Revis is doing. The team dangled the carrot in front of him and he's taking it and running with it. The fault for this mess lays squarely at the feet of the Jets. There's a much smaller chance that this is going on right now if they don't blow smoke up his ass about how good he is and make a big deal about approaching him with a new contract in the offseason.

Not that I disagree with the Jets-Revis situation as it's of their own doing but I do have issues with players not honoring contracts. They are in fact worthless because they are hardly enforceable in this day and age. That's the NFL's problem and I believe they should do something about it.