OT: Goff gets paid

[Bill Lee]

$53M a year for Jared Goff?

They're paying a mediocrity like Goodell $64M/year, so...

otherwise known as the cap is crap

The cap rises and falls based on the NFL's revenue, so while the cap may be crap it's far better than any other system any other league has.

 

[Wozzy]

When Goff arrived in Detroit he was written off, they signed him as a “bridge QB” to the guy they knew they would draft.

But the Lions offensive line was one of the best in the league, they drafted great weapons and now Goff is the highest paid player in Lion history. It’s a team sport.

 

[farn]

He is not the 20 best if we look at the past 25 years, but he is a top 10 QB - if not higher - over the past 2 years. He will start at 13% then transition to the 15% to 18% range of percentage of salary cap he takes up which is a little high, but not egregiously so for a top 10 QB (I can't be more precise than that because there are conflicting reports regarding how the contract is broken down).

Now, of course, if he starts to play horribly then it ruins the Lions for some time....

He’s top 10 in the same way I’d be a top ten stud good looking guy at the old folk’s home.

Only reason he’s top ten - I ageee with you that he is - is because of the putrid play of QBs during the last few seasons.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

[See NY Giants and Daniels Jones]

 

[p8ryts]

He’s top 10 in the same way I’d be a top ten stud good looking guy at the old folk’s home.

Only reason he’s top ten - I ageee with you that he is - is because of the putrid play of QBs during the last few seasons.

We could have won many more games the last four years with him at
QB. He may not be HOF material but he is good enough for me.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

This is a very tough place to be as far as qb situation goes. That baker mayfield/jared goff/ kirk cousins/ daniel jones caliber qb once their rookie deal or discounted deal is up. Its hard to see these guys leading you to a title but you have no choice but to grossly overpay or just start over at qb.

Goff is nice but i just never felt like he had IT. Tough to say exactly how much of sb53 or the big blown lead in sf is on him but these days those close playoff games tend to come down to the better qb going into beast mode at the right time. At the same time though its very hard to just say okay lets start over after 4 years when hes been doing a good job overall.

 

[XLIX]

He’s top 10 in the same way I’d be a top ten stud good looking guy at the old folk’s home.

Only reason he’s top ten - I ageee with you that he is - is because of the putrid play of QBs during the last few seasons.

That only serves to make him more valuable. If the overall leaguewide QB play is putrid, then the good ones become even more rare and more valuable.

 

[rochrist]

In a few years this will be a bargain. The way it always works.

 

[Pape]

Ain't my money. Good for him.

He's earned every cent. Did more for Detroit in three seasons than Matthew Stafford ever did.

He's defied expectations. He's given Detroit hope, and that was not an easy thing to do.

 

[Uptown]

Goff getting Ukraine aid type of numbers..

 

[lancerman]

THAT'S the key. You can probably add another $10MM in endorsements, etc and in ONE year he can bank generational wealth that he will have difficulty spending. That's ONE YEAR!!!!!

Goff is very good NFL starting QB. He has developed over the years from going to the SB to bust to stardom. Even the GOAT took several years to become the player that he became

Yet there will STILL be those in media AND many on this board who will try to define Drake Maye's worth after his first practice at camp. Won't we EVER learn!!!!

The issue is Brady and Mahomes won titles early on and understood they had a path to trancedent greatness. Goff is never going to be that guy. So he has no reason to not take all the money he possibly can. He's going to turn 30 next October with zero rings. Even if the Lions get stacked, what's a QB like him really have a shot at? Maybe 2 rings if everything goes right for him. He ain't a guy that's coasting off endorsements and being a legendary figure.

 

[mgteich]

In a few years this will be a bargain. The way it always works.

Maybe

For me, a high consideration is percentage of the team's cap. Obviously, QB's starting on their rookie contracts are always bargains by this measure.

Only 1 QB has ever won the Super Bowl while accounting for more than 15% of the team's cap. I suppose that we should table the dat for those who compete in the Conference championships (4 QB's a tear) to get a better understanding.

With a $250M cap, a 20% QB would be paid $50M AAV. There are many challenges when committing that high a percentage to the QB position.

 

[mgteich]

In a few years this will be a bargain. The way it always works.

Really?

Goff is getting approximately 20% of the team's cap. Apparently, you think that this is common for successful QB's in the NFL. The percentage will go down as the cap goes up over the years of the contract. Perhaps, it will average 15% instead of 20%.
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Q) Please list all the QB winning QB's who were paid more than 15% of their team's cap.

A) There has been only one, for one Super Bowl. That QB was Mahomes.
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My conclusion is that this will NOT be a strategy for successful franchises, although I can see it working for a year or two.

 

[XLIX]

Really?

Goff is getting approximately 20% of the team's cap. Apparently, you think that this is common for successful QB's in the NFL. The percentage will go down as the cap goes up over the years of the contract. Perhaps, it will average 15% instead of 20%.
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Q) Please list all the QB winning QB's who were paid more than 15% of their team's cap.

A) There has been only one, for one Super Bowl. That QB was Mahomes.
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My conclusion is that this will NOT be a strategy for successful franchises, although I can see it working for a year or two.

He’s not getting 20% of his team’s cap number. His cap hit is not distributed evenly. As more contract details come out, it looks like he starts at 13% and stays under 15% of the projected cap number for the following 2 years. After that they’ll have to restructure or his hit goes up to the high teens.

 

[patfanken]

The issue is Brady and Mahomes won titles early on and understood they had a path to trancedent greatness. Goff is never going to be that guy. So he has no reason to not take all the money he possibly can. He's going to turn 30 next October with zero rings. Even if the Lions get stacked, what's a QB like him really have a shot at? Maybe 2 rings if everything goes right for him. He ain't a guy that's coasting off endorsements and being a legendary figure.

Remember, L, Brady went 10 years between rings and was around 35 when we had the 2nd 3 ring run. There is no knowing what he will going forward, but over 9 thousand yds, and 60-19 td /pick ratio over the last 2 years kind of shows he's become a LOT more than the throw in we all thought when the trade went down

 

[mgteich]

He’s not getting 20% of his team’s cap number. His cap hit is not distributed evenly. As more contract details come out, it looks like he starts at 13% and stays under 15% of the projected cap number for the following 2 years. After that they’ll have to restructure or his hit goes up to the high teens.

ty for the clarification. We all will await the details.

 

[Brotherblues]

[See NY Giants and Daniels Jones]

Is it really a valid comp though?

 

[Sicilian]

This is a very tough place to be as far as qb situation goes. That baker mayfield/jared goff/ kirk cousins/ daniel jones caliber qb once their rookie deal or discounted deal is up. Its hard to see these guys leading you to a title but you have no choice but to grossly overpay or just start over at qb.

Goff is nice but i just never felt like he had IT. Tough to say exactly how much of sb53 or the big blown lead in sf is on him but these days those close playoff games tend to come down to the better qb going into beast mode at the right time. At the same time though its very hard to just say okay lets start over after 4 years when hes been doing a good job overall.

This is one of the reasons I was on board with Drake Maye at 3, rather than trading down and taking someone like McCarthy, Nix, or Rattler (later on). I think it's worth it to take the big swing at QB, because you don't want to get stuck in that no man's land: Where you can't get rid of the QB without regressing as a team to the point that the decision makers probably get fired, but you can't really consistently WIN with that QB either. I'd rather they take a chance on the high upside of Maye, and if he fails oh well, you try again. If he succeeds, you have a legit face of the franchise. No half measures at QB.

 

[mgteich]

This is one of the reasons I was on board with Drake Maye at 3, rather than trading down and taking someone like McCarthy, Nix, or Rattler (later on). I think it's worth it to take the big swing at QB, because you don't want to get stuck in that no man's land: Where you can't get rid of the QB without regressing as a team to the point that the decision makers probably get fired, but you can't really consistently WIN with that QB either. I'd rather they take a chance on the high upside of Maye, and if he fails oh well, you try again. If he succeeds, you have a legit face of the franchise. No half measures at QB.

I agree, but I think that we overstate the case.

Let us presume that Maye's FLOOR is as an OK starter. In that case, we will have him through 2027, with us getting another QB in 2027 and Maye as the bridge in his 4th year, 2027. And then, we have another cycle, perhaps having to sign an additional bridge in 2028.
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The problem in 2023 was really twofold. Jones wasn't an OK starter. However, there were lots of other issues on the team in 2022 and 2023.
If those didn't exist, Jones might be the bridge, but perhaps not. However, it wouldn't be a huge deal to bring in Brissette as the bridge.

The OL (especially LT) was a disaster, as was WR AND quarterback. For years, the roster had gotten worse since Brady left. For years, it seemed that the team strategy was NOT to sign players to a second contract. Of course, if they just weren't good enough, that was a problem in itself.
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My BOTTOM LINE is as yours: swing for the fences to get a top QB on a rookie contract, have him play out his contract, and if necessary, rinse and repeat.

 

[rkarp1]

This is one of the reasons I was on board with Drake Maye at 3, rather than trading down and taking someone like McCarthy, Nix, or Rattler (later on). I think it's worth it to take the big swing at QB, because you don't want to get stuck in that no man's land: Where you can't get rid of the QB without regressing as a team to the point that the decision makers probably get fired, but you can't really consistently WIN with that QB either. I'd rather they take a chance on the high upside of Maye, and if he fails oh well, you try again. If he succeeds, you have a legit face of the franchise. No half measures at QB.

I agree with you, and was happy that team drafted Maye
but the Lions went a different route and it appears to be working.
could the Pats have drafted traded down, got their stud LT, 2 stud WR's and a #1 next year, along with a player?
with AVP in the fold, and that influx of talent, was mac worth another shot? still draft Milton to develop (or Rattler) and make a play for Dak next year (or whomever next years Goff may be)