OT: Did the Bucs SB loss Break Patrick Mahomes?

[crawhammer]

Again, the Pats were down 28-3 in large part thanks to the offense, which did nothing for 3.5 quarters and Brady throwing a pick 6 (I was at the game and it was miserable for most of the night). And Flacco did not dominate a single postseason the way JM did in 1989. Flacco threw for 11 TDs in FOUR games, but I'm sure you didn't even think about that, while Montana did it in 3. Again, pure dominance by JM in 1989, which will probably never be achieved again.

Seems like you've tried to weasel your way out of the clutchness debate since that clearly wasn't working out for you, even though you were the one insisting upon it.

I don't think anyone said Montana wasn't dominant in the '89 postseason. Yes, he was. And?? He's not more clutch than Brady, no one is. He's not more accomplished than Brady, no one is. He had a dominant postseason, hell he had 19 TD's and only 1 INT combined in the '88 and '89 postseasons, outstanding. Montana was great. Just not as great as Brady, no one is.

Let's see if you know who said this:

"I think Tom has taken his place on the top up there a long time ago. He's had a tremendous career, he's fun to watch. Everybody always contests over that, but I think if you look at what Tom has been able to accomplish in his time that he's played, I think it puts him definitely up there at the top of the list. There's a lot of great guys, as I said, before me, you go back to Otto Graham, who won 10 or 11 championships. It's hard to compare them, but if you're looking at it, yeah, definitely Tom at that point."

 

[NFL Mystique]

I never said Montana > Brady. I am only talking "clutchness" here...

Super Bowl - Niners a 1 pt favorite

Super Bowl 19 - Niners 3.5

Not sure where the Niners were an overwhelming favorite every time...and in 1981 and 1984 they most certainly weren't stacked at all positions.

As far as each playoff game being biggest game of your life, how many super bowls in NFL history are there where one team has a chance to go undefeated? Super Bowl 42 was the biggest game in NFL history and one QB fell well short of expectations.

Being undefeated is an accomplishment in itself. But it's also taxing and alot of added pressure. If the helmet catch doesn't happen, is anyone suggesting Brady fell "Well short"? Nope. It was a once in a million type catch.

That 18-0 record and perfection was mostly built up between week 1 and @ Buffalo in November. People may not remember this, but that offense rightfully wasn't able to maintain that crazy pace from December on. It's unreasonable to think they could've.

 

[Fixit]

We can split hairs all you want. If Dee Ford doesn't line up offsides or if the Seahawks run the ball at the goal line, Brady is 5-4 in Super Bowls and cannot be the GOAT.

Yeah, he still would be. BUT...

If Asante makes the pick, Welker makes the catch, and the D was awake against Philly, he's 10-0.

And you'd still be saying he's a co-GOAT.

 

[NFL Mystique]

We can split hairs all you want. If Dee Ford doesn't line up offsides or if the Seahawks run the ball at the goal line, Brady is 5-4 in Super Bowls and cannot be the GOAT.

If not for a miracle catch, a bizarre coaching decision to sit the CB, and Welker just narrowly not making a circus catch, Brady could be 10-0.

Btw, that miracle catch doesn't happen if Samuel times his jump. Pick. Looking at the replays, it's a pick he should've made. Up to that point, he made more difficult picks in his career.

It goes both ways.

Brady has been lucky and unlucky. It goes with the territory when you make 10 SB's.

Montana was lucky he didn't get picked. He was unlucky Craig fumbled the ball in 90.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Yeah, he still would be. BUT...

If Asante makes the pick, Welker makes the catch, and the D was awake against Philly, he's 10-0.

And you'd still be saying he's a co-GOAT.

This.

It goes both ways.

When you get there so many times, crazy things will inevitably happen.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Seems like you've tried to weasel your way out of the clutchness debate since that clearly wasn't working out for you, even though you were the one insisting upon it.

I don't think anyone said Montana wasn't dominant in the '89 postseason. Yes, he was. And?? He's not more clutch than Brady, no one is. He's not more accomplished than Brady, no one is. He had a dominant postseason, hell he had 19 TD's and only 1 INT combined in the '88 and '89 postseasons, outstanding. Montana was great. Just not as great as Brady, no one is.

Let's see if you know who said this:

"I think Tom has taken his place on the top up there a long time ago. He's had a tremendous career, he's fun to watch. Everybody always contests over that, but I think if you look at what Tom has been able to accomplish in his time that he's played, I think it puts him definitely up there at the top of the list. There's a lot of great guys, as I said, before me, you go back to Otto Graham, who won 10 or 11 championships. It's hard to compare them, but if you're looking at it, yeah, definitely Tom at that point."

Where's Brady's dominant postseason comparable to Montana's 1989, where he annihilated every opponent? When it comes to clutchness in the Super Bowl, Brady is number 2, especially if you take into account all the mistakes he has made.

And that was a Montana quote. He has said many times before it is difficult to compare players across generations, but in terms of accomplishments, Brady is at the top.

 

[venecol]

this is brutal...I'll let you guess who the baby seal is in this thread...even KC fan is getting in his whacks..

Timmy is more like a pinata. Everyone else is doing this.

 

[Wax Frog]

This is who I picture he is, V.P.. too near braindead stupid to know it

Separated at birth?

 

[Dingleberry]

Montana went to the Super Bowl 25% of his seasons as a starter. Clutch!

Brady failed to get to the Super Bowl 50% of his seasons as a starter. Let's dissect those 50% failures.


Nah, can't do it. Wanted to try the other side. I like to try everything, but this type of trolling is already tiresome for me. Tapping out.

 

[Guts]

Montana went to the Super Bowl 25% of his seasons as a starter. Clutch!

Brady failed to get to the Super Bowl 50% of his seasons as a starter. Let's dissect those 50% failures.


Nah, can't do it. Wanted to try the other side. I like to try everything, but this type of trolling is already tiresome for me. Tapping out.

You can also go this simple route of using the Olympics as a comparison. Of course it's a team game but each QB was essential/vital to the teams success

Brady
7 Golds
3 Silvers

Montana
4 Golds

 

[Dingleberry]

You can also go this simple route of using the Olympics as a comparison. Of course it's a team game but each QB was essential/vital to the teams success

Brady
7 Golds
3 Silvers

Montana
4 Golds

But that doesn't help trying to take the idiotic trolling side.

To take your analogy further though.... If you consider going to the AFCCG a bronze medal, Brady has medaled in over 75% of his seasons. Incredible.

 

[PatsWSB47]

But that doesn't help trying to take the idiotic trolling side.

To take your analogy further though.... If you consider going to the AFCCG a bronze medal, Brady has medaled in over 75% of his seasons. Incredible.

That's lots of hats and t-shirts along the way

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You can also go this simple route of using the Olympics as a comparison. Of course it's a team game but each QB was essential/vital to the teams success

Brady
7 Golds
3 Silvers

Montana
4 Golds

Sure, Brady has more accomplishments...

But here's another analogy - if you hire someone to do something, would you rather have the guy who averages 100% on all 4 of his attempts or the guy who averages 70% over the course of 10 attempts?

 

[venecol]

Mac10 made the news again.

Shoplifter steals sexy mannequin - CNN Video

Surveillance footage shows a man trying to steal a mannequin and lingerie from an adult store, with moderate success.

www.cnn.com

 

[Dingleberry]

Sure, Brady has more accomplishments...

But here's another analogy - if you hire someone to take a test for you, would rather have the guy who averages 100% on all 4 of his attempts or the guy who averages 70% over 10 attempts?

They were hired to take the test. Every season is a test.

Montana's 25% score is great.

Unless, of course, Eli, Dilfer, and a number of other middling QB's are also scoring 100% on the test.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Sure, Brady has more accomplishments...

But here's another analogy - if you hire someone to do something, would you rather have the guy who averages 100% on all 4 of his attempts or the guy who averages 70% over the course of 10 attempts?

If you hire someone to do something would you rather have the guy who averages 70% over the course of 10 attempts or the guy who averaged 100% on 4 attempts but didn’t bother to show up for the other 6 tests?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Montana went to the Super Bowl 25% of his seasons as a starter. Clutch!

Brady failed to get to the Super Bowl 50% of his seasons as a starter. Let's dissect those 50% failures.


Nah, can't do it. Wanted to try the other side. I like to try everything, but this type of trolling is already tiresome for me. Tapping out.

There are a lot of dimwitted people on this board, so let me help you out. MOntana was only the starter for 192 games, missing the 1991 and 1992 seasons due to Leonard Marshall's hit in 1990. 192 games is the equivalent of 12 seasons, so Montana was 4 for 12 (that's 33%). And super bowl wins are the only thing that matters. Who cares about 2nd place? Brady played 20 seasons and won 7 times, which is the equivalent of 35%. Looks like the same super bowl winning rate to me...

 

[Fixit]

If you hire someone to do something would you rather have the guy who averages 70% over the course of 10 attempts or the guy who averaged 100% on 4 attempts but didn’t bother to show up for the other 6 tests?

He definitely gave that analogy no thought whatsoever.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If you hire someone to do something would you rather have the guy who averages 70% over the course of 10 attempts or the guy who averaged 100% on 4 attempts but didn’t bother to show up for the other 6 tests?

I'd rather trust the guy who has a higher chance of getting it done. As i have proven, Brady is much more streaky in the super bowl...

 

[venecol]

He definitely gave that analogy no thought whatsoever.

He's a moron.