Osborne also wants out

[Real fan 02]

They really should consider it. But obviously that's not happening. Besides we all know Kraft is going to double down on this next year.

They won't. That's in the history books. I'm happy for Bill and what he's doing now. I'll say this. We have Drake and we can agree everything around him has to change. I've never seen a losing franchise where there wasn't problems, we can sit here all day and blame the coaching, the players whoever.. we went from a winning culture to a losing culture the last 4 seasons.. it's time for an organizational change in thier perceptions.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Good luck to him, ok WR but we don’t really have a need for him. Cut or trade him idc.

And the other players who want to walk out? They just need to post text messages too? A lot of guys want out and we only have mediocre players... I am not saying they shouldn't cut him, but the damage is already done. And all choices are bad as long as Mayo is still HC. Cut him, now all the other players who want out know how to proceed. Don't cut him, a toxic guy is still on the team. The ONLY way to turn this around now is to fire the FO and coaching staff and hire guys as close to sure things as you can find. I doubt that happens until the end of the season, but if this keeps up, maybe new trails will be blazed by Kraft.

 

[Guts]

BURN SOME CASH

We going to have to overspend to get players until we are good again(hopefully)

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

This is a team devoid of talent up and down the roster. You start cutting guys and what? Replace them with street free agents or third and fourth stringers?

Or, you accept the toxicity, keep the players and watch them go through the motions? Both options are awful, and the current team leadership led us to this point. But you continue it next year with Mayo? IF Mayo had a good culture established and the team was playing disciplined, hard-nosed football, even if they are losing I can see sticking with him. Then it's a talent issue. That is not our situation. But, I suspect you'll disagree with me without saying why.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Excellent point, and it refocuses us a bit onto Wolf. He's been a fargin disaster too.

Right, but let's look at his experience. The personnel side for the last several years with Bill was tasked with finding diamonds in the rough that could go into a solid locker room with solid coaching and be asked to do their job. I don't think we can count on the locker room or coaching anymore to help guys like that find their role.

Not saying don't blame Wolf, because he should have done more. But Osbourne and Gibson are exactly the under-the-radar signings that used to work really well for us.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

We going to have to overspend to get players until we are good again(hopefully)

No one good is going to want to come here until the FO and coaching situations have been sorted.

 

[archstanton543]

Or, you accept the toxicity, keep the players and watch them go through the motions? Both options are awful, and the current team leadership led us to this point. But you continue it next year with Mayo? IF Mayo had a good culture established and the team was playing disciplined, hard-nosed football, even if they are losing I can see sticking with him. Then it's a talent issue. That is not our situation. But, I suspect you'll disagree with me without saying why.

I think it's a coaching and talent issue.

I can disagree with someone without having to explain why. I don't do that with family members. Why would I do that with people on the internet?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Not saying don't blame Wolf, because he should have done more. But Osbourne and Gibson are exactly the under-the-radar signings that used to work really well for us.

The Polk pick is looking like a bust, and that one stings.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I asked this below, but I wonder if any coach has managed to regain the locker room after losing it....

John Harbaugh reportedly nearly had Ravens mutiny

But Harbaugh had a history of reasonable success (at that time) with the team, and for as much as we rag on Ray Lewis, he and others were actual real locker room leaders. They rebounded to win the Super Bowl that very season.

That’s an exception, it ain’t happening here…..

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I think it's a coaching and talent issue.

I can disagree with someone without having to explain why. I don't do that with family members. Why would I do that with people on the internet?

You can do whatever you want. I couldn't care less about how you interact with your family. But I am free to desire an explanation, and you can't stop me from wanting one, nor can you stop me from asking about it should I not get one. I am interested in others' opinions.

Fair enough? I'm just as free as you.

 

[Guts]

No one good is going to want to come here until the FO and coaching situations have been sorted.

That's why I said overspend.
No matter how much we suck money always talks.

 

[Since1960]

Let’em go as long as he’s willing to leave at $0 cost - after all we’ve still git T.T. to make up for his one catch per game….

 

[Peachhead]

If Osborne has posted this , he needs to be traded or cut first thing tomorrow .

Polk need to be benched for next 3 games. Unofficial team wide insta/ social media policies will need to be established and strictly enforced.

Become hard nosed, else the team will start to take a deep dive from the abyss we are in . I think you need to identify leaders who at least show the correct attitude and effort on field even if they don't have the talent.

Get some run defense fatties whomsoever is available.

The next 6 weeks is audition for everyone to save their jobs including coaches.

Hire an external media / communications expert who can coach both the coach as well as players into how to address media and not say more than what is needed. You don't need to be belichick but no need to be an open book. Have too many problems already and don't want unnecessary media fueled controversies and team disarray.

Mayo should go through a personalized leadership program for next 4 weeks on what to say and what not to say and how to be a leader and better NFL head coach .

I agree that we need much better discipline and harder coaching. But Mayo screwed up from the get-go. It's hard to go from the coach being buddy-buddy with the players and then cracking down, than going in the opposite direction: Starting as a hard-ass, then lightening up.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

That's why I said overspend.
No matter how much we suck money always talks.

I don't know. I don't see it happening without regime change.

 

[signbabybrady]

You can do whatever you want. I couldn't care less about how you interact with your family. But I am free to desire an explanation, and you can't stop me from wanting one, nor can you stop me from asking about it should I not get one. I am interested in others' opinions.

Fair enough? I'm just as free as you.

"Boy everyone in this country is running around yammering about their ****ing rights. "I have a right, you have no right, we have a right."

Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, **** like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, "where do they come from?" People say, "They come from God. They're God given rights." Awww ****, here we go again...here we go again.

The God excuse, the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument, "It came from God." Anything we can't describe must have come from God. Personally folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would've given you the right for some food every day, and he would've given you the right to a roof over your head. GOD would've been looking out for ya. You know that.

He wouldn't have been worried making sure you have a gun so you can get drunk on Sunday night and kill your girlfriend's parents.

But let's say it's true. Let's say that God gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights?

The Bill of Rights of this country has 10 stipulations. OK...10 rights. And apparently God was doing sloppy work that week, because we've had to ammend the bill of rights an additional 17 times. So God forgot a couple of things, like...SLAVERY. Just ****in' slipped his mind.

But let's say...let's say God gave us the original 10. He gave the british 13. The british Bill of Rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29, the Belgians have 25, the Sweedish have only 6, and some people in the world have no rights at all. What kind of a ****in' god damn god given deal is that!?...NO RIGHTS AT ALL!? Why would God give different people in different countries a different numbers of different rights? Boredom? Amusement? Bad arithmetic? Do we find out at long last after all this time that God is weak in math skills? Doesn't sound like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning . Sounds more like one group trying to control another group. In other words...business as usual in America.

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious ****ing rights. Alright. You know about it.

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.

Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're priveledges. That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY priviledges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get's shorter, and shorter, and shorter.

Yeup, sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a **** about them. the government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a **** about you. It's interested in it's own power. That's the only thing...keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.

Personally when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all."


George Carlin, It's Bad for Ya

 

[JohnJH]

Imagine a mediocre player who can’t command reps wanting out.

This went from bad to Rod Rust Era in about a quarter of a season.

 

[JohnJH]

I think you have to go back to 2007 to find a coach that was fired after just one year. I just don’t see RK admitting to that mistake after one year. I think we’re stuck with him for at least two.

And that's a sad state of affairs right there.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

"Boy everyone in this country is running around yammering about their ****ing rights. "I have a right, you have no right, we have a right."

Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, **** like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, "where do they come from?" People say, "They come from God. They're God given rights." Awww ****, here we go again...here we go again.

Carlin disproves his original assertion as he continues. Japanese-Americans were forced into camps at the point of gun. Might makes right. Whoever has the power establishes whatever rights people have. They can grant rights and take them away. Without force, there are no rights or laws. At the point of a gun, archstanton453 could force me to shut up, one way or the other. But he couldn't get away with it, even if he wanted to (and of course he doesn't), because government is the ultimate decider of rights (unless you believe in God, who would then be the ultimate power) and because they have the controlling force in the land.

On this site, the admins have the power and establish the rights (but government could step in if it chose to do so). I don't have the right to be abusive to archstanton453 on the site. I will be banned if I started doing that and kept it up despite warnings, and rightly so. My right to post here would be gone.

So yes, rights exist. They are established by power and force. There is a hierarchy of power. And rights change as the power structure changes. I once had the right not to bastardize the English language and use correct pronouns to refer to certain people at work. Now I don't, there is no recourse and I could lose my job if I don't comply. In Europe, there are true things that people cannot say because they can go to prison for it ("hate speech"). In America, 1A exists to protect speech people hate. Speech that isn't hated by someone or some group does not require protection. It all stems from government and its ability to enforce rights at the point of a gun.

 

[signbabybrady]

Carlin disproves his original assertion as he continues. Japanese-Americans were forced into camps at the point of gun. Might makes right. Whoever has the power establishes whatever rights people have. They can grant rights and take them away. Without force, there are no rights or laws. At the point of a gun, archstanton453 could force me to shut up, one way or the other. But he couldn't get away with it, even if wanted to (and of course he doesn't), because government is the ultimate decider of rights (unless you believe in God, who would then be the ultimate power) because they have the controlling force in the land.

On this site, the admins have the power and establish the rights (but government could step in if it chose to do so). I don't have the right to be abusive to archstanton453 on the site. I will be banned if I started doing that and kept it up despite warnings, and rightly so. My right to post here would be gone.

So yes, rights exist. They are established by power and force. There is a hierarchy of power. And rights change as the power structure changes. I once had the right not to bastardize the English language and use correct pronouns to refer to certain people at work. Now I don't, there is no recourse and I could lose my job if I don't comply. In Europe, there are true things that people cannot say because they can go to prison for it ("hate speech"). In America, 1A exists to protect speech people hate. Speech that isn't hated by someone or some group does not require protection. It all stems from government and its ability to enforce rights at the point of a gun.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Steve102]

We going to have to overspend to get players until we are good again(hopefully)

Good teams keep their good free agents. Teams know what they have and they retain the good ones, locker room leaders and guys who get in line with the plan. Malcontents walk, vets with nothing left in the tank walk. You want to over pay for cast offs at this point?

It sucks, but there's no quick fix.