Game Day Thread Official Preseason Game Day Thread- Pats @ Giants

[JMC00]

Uche & Barmore only played 14 snaps.

 

[DaBruinz]

It’ll be unpopular : I like Bentley. I think many posters discount him based on 2020. This year, with much better players around him, I think he’ll be a solid contributor.

Bentley looks like a different player. He seems faster and more agile. I didn't see any run blitzes in the Pre-season where he's forced to choose a gap, but, with Hightower out there, I think Bentley will learn how to anticipate the Gap choice better.

 

[DaBruinz]

They HAVE to keep Bolden now as a RB option. Look at tonight JJTaylor looked great running the ball from scrimmage, but the way he runs I don't expect a long or healthy career., You need to have more. James White isn't the answer from scrimmage, so he they need to have 4 guys.

BTW- is it legal for say Bolden or Hoyer, get to the PS, but with their full pay? I don't see anyone claiming either, so other than ego, it wouldn't matter a bit if they were on the PS or the roster. But both would be available should an injury happen at those two position. Just askin'

We'll agree to disagree on that, PFK. They don't HAVE to keep Bolden. Though they might. It all depends on how things shake out on the special teams units. And that will come from what the Coaches have seen at practice more than anything.

In regards to your second question. The league changed the PS rules in terms of pay. It is a SET amount. Period. You can no longer pay someone an NFL contract salary. I'm not sure if they get NFL Contract pay if they get the weekly promotion. That's a question for @Miguel.

 

[DaBruinz]

Possible (big) 53 man surprise: Bill Murray. Came into the game leading the team in QB hurries. 1.5 sacks tonight, two more QB hits, playing a ton on special teams. He could make it through waivers but he shouldn’t, if other teams are paying attention. Not sure how they fit him but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a BB binky.

I thought Murray played better than Anderson, in all honesty.


I believe that Adams and Anderson are both toast. As is M. Jackson and D. Virgin.. I saw nothing from them that makes me believe they can help the team other than being tackling dummies..

 

[DaBruinz]

Wade was lost before the goal line, scrambling to try to recover. He took himself deep enough behind the receiver that he wouldn’t have had a play on the catch no matter what. When he fell I wondered at first if he had tripped himself trying to get back into the play. I suspect the lack of a flag was because he was so off balance it didn’t take a push, just waving in his direction was enough for the breeze to take him off his feet. The official couldn’t bring himself to bail him out after he got so out of position and crossed up.

WTF are you talking about. Wade was right there with the receiver. Claiming he was lost is ridiculous as is claiming that he wouldn't have had a play on the ball no matter what. Wade had boxed the receiver from getting deep and the receiver pushed him down. He wasn't off-balance until the receiver pushed him. It's plain as day in the replay.

Sorry, but your explanation is

 

[Wozzy]

I'm not sure you understand how either football or roster management work.

Explain, otherwise you’re just running your mouth.

 

[Uptown]

 

[patfanken]

If the Patriots were to try to get Hoyer on the PS, I'm pretty sure he'd be on the next flight to NY to sign with the Jets. He played in that scheme in SF, he'd be a great mentor for Zach Wilson, and I'd say he's probably better than Mike White anyway.

Not sure I agree with that, Sciz. Remember the biggest reason Hoyer resigned with the Pats is that he decided to settle his family in MA long term. That is where his wife is from and where his kids were happiest. Hoyer wants to get paid and have a purpose. He gets that here whether its one the PS or 53 man roster.

 

[DaBruinz]

Did Mac had at least one snap with the 1s?
Would have wanted to see him at least one drive getting a bit in game rythm with them and not only with players that most probably won't be on the team next week, Cam didn't show me anything to be excited about when it comes to passing, what was it 2 of 5 for 10 yards?
INT is not completely on Cam because Martinez made a great play, but the throw was behind Meyers and he had to turn 180° around to be able to get a hand on it while he was supposed (at least it seemed so) to run a seam route, you could have placed it over the shoulder or hit the open guy waiving his hands next to Meyers, however it does not come as a surprise with Cam that he does not see the field well and isn't accurate, we will have to deal with it anyway.

Mac seemed off at times and hold to the ball too long, let him experience it asap so he can learn from it, he has to go through more in the coming years. But he has had also some nice throws out there, still long way to go. However as said I would have wanted to see him with 1st team OL and Receivers not only with 2s and 3s.
Asiasi had some nice cathes, have counted 3 or 4, seemed like he got all of what was thrown to him.
Running game is very good, also starting OL, from the backups Herron seemed at times completely lost as RT, seen him several times being put on his ass while Cajuste on the LT was pretty solid, at least I have not noticed anything bad from him. The others are well yeah better hope they don't need to play...
Pass rush will be fun this year if they can stay healthy but run defense is still a concern, same with the pass defense as long as Gilmore is not available we will have issues in coverage.
Jackson had a horrible night, I remember him only being late and having allowed a ton of catches got the bend-don't-break-defense vibes watching him running around like a lost chicken on the field. Wade didn't look good on the outside either.


I hope Cam can step up now because I don't want to see again his play from last year

Herron wasn't being put on his ass. It was Karras... Karras was horrible last night. Cajuste wasn't great last night. On one of the sacks, he literally backed into Jones while not engaged with anyone.

Wade looked good on the outside. He was pushed down on a play that should have been OPI. The other play where he was targeted was an outstanding catch by the receiver on a ball where only he could get it.. Can't fault Wade for that.

 

[DaBruinz]

Agholor and Bourne also need to get a whole lot better than this when the games start to count. The question marks at the position are still there.

Not sure what Bourne needs to do to "get better". It's hard to get better than being Wide Open and Cam deciding to throw it to a guy in double coverage...

What I saw from Cam in pre-season is more inability to diagnose what's going to happen on plays. As such, he makes bad decisions and then people here blame the receivers when it's actually on Cam.

 

[DaBruinz]

Not sure I agree with that, Sciz. Remember the biggest reason Hoyer resigned with the Pats is that he decided to settle his family in MA long term. That is where his wife is from and where his kids were happiest. Hoyer wants to get paid and have a purpose. He gets that here whether its one the PS or 53 man roster.

Hoyer already has $100K guarantee in his contract. What he didn't get was a signing bonus. This is what allows him to only cost $850K against the cap instead of 1.025M.

The Pats could convert $500K to signing bonus prior to cutting him and then re-sign him to the practice squad. Then he'd still only count about the same against the cap. Unless, of course, there is an injury and he was signed to the roster again.

 

[DaBruinz]

I agree, Perkins has made mistakes but has also flashed potential in games and in practice. He was a day 2 pick. He's on the roster.

People need to remember that Perkins is learning a new position with the Pats. He was a DE in college. The Pats have him playing OLB. Not even an EDGE piece, but OLB. So he's going through growing pains. Someone that could help him in that transition would be Tedy Bruschi if Bruschi wasn't a coach for AZ.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[DaBruinz]

If I am reading 2021 practice squad primer: Everything to know from the rules to the eligibility correctly you can have up to six veterans and up to four protected players on the PS with no upper limit on salary, subject to the salary cap of course.


The link I provide contradicts that.



Not sure if this is just a COVID relaxation or what...

Going to disagree with that Primer:

Article 33, Section 3 | NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) | Over The Cap

NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

Article 33, Section 2 (b):
Any Practice Squad player who does not fall within categories (i), (ii) or (iii) in Section 4 of this Article shall receive a fixed weekly Paragraph 4 Salary within the following minimum and maximum amounts in each League Year of this Agreement, as agreed upon by the Club and the player:

Article 33, Section 3 (c):

No Practice Squad Player Contract may provide for Salary guarantees, bonuses, incentives or compensation of any kind other than the fixed weekly Paragraph 4 amounts set forth in Subsections 3(a) and (b) of this Article, as applicable.

So, I have reached out to @Miguel for clarification. I am going to go with the CBA unless the League put out a memo otherwise that I haven't seen.

 

[DaBruinz]

IF they can trade them for late round picks, they should do so. Neither one truly impressed, imho. Bill Murray outplayed both of them.

 

[amfootball]

I don't get this stat at all. Jimmy was traded in October of 2017. Is this indicating that Mac will be traded? LOL

 

[Hyped]

Need a link? I can PM one to you.

Thanks man, I caught the replay late last night and saw every snap. I am good, but thanks again!!!

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't get this stat at all. Jimmy was traded in October of 2017. Is this indicating that Mac will be traded? LOL

No.

The point TC is making is Tom had a great 2016, was 40 years old and Bill wanted to showcase Jimmy a little.

His overall point is historically speaking, the starter gets a ton of reps in preseason.

 

[Hyped]

Not sure I agree with that, Sciz. Remember the biggest reason Hoyer resigned with the Pats is that he decided to settle his family in MA long term. That is where his wife is from and where his kids were happiest. Hoyer wants to get paid and have a purpose. He gets that here whether its one the PS or 53 man roster.

One can live in Massachusetts and play in Jersey.... players do film review/treatment on Monday, off on Tuesdays, practice on Wed/Thurs, lightly practice on Fri, walk thru a bit on Sat, and play on Sundays. Hoyer could dress on Sunday, drive home, return on Tuesday evening, and still spend extra time on Fri nights/Sat AM. This would only be for 5 months plus a BYE week or a mini-BYE coming off a Thurs game.

Doable for a BIGGER check holding the clipboard vs. running the scout team here....

 

[libra957]

Screw this we're taking the AFC east back.