PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POST GAME THREAD: Patriots beat the JETE 25-22

[n1997y]

You sound like a fan who is enjoying their team. Who could disagree with that?

Especially on *THIS* message board

I disagree.

With at least one of you.

Not sure of what, or why, just because I can.

 

[KCSVEN]

They are trying save RK's $$$$$ like he doesn't have $$$$ to burn. RK is not paying a HC $20Mill anymore time to start paying for Good Players: LT Cam Robinson in FA should be priority #1.

Cam Robinson has been very up and down this year:

Cam Robinson vs Bills: 2 sacks, 3 QB Hits, 3 Hurries and 8 pressures.

He's historically a solid LT.

Washington has just as much cap space and will be a playoff team, not sure he would leave Florida for New England vs going there.

You might want to trade and sign and beat other teams to free agency if you want him.

 

[Gumby]

The only encouraging thing about this win - for some - might be that Mayo's hold on the HC position is more secure. Whether Mayo's continuing in that role will constitute a "win" for the team is very much in doubt. My concern is that we might -potentially year after year after year, under the "leadership" of Robert, Mayo, Wolfe et al - win just enough games to feed the delusion that the team can ever be anything better than mediocre under such mediocre leadership. (See recent Jets history, ironically enough.) We need to keep our eye on the ball, on the goal of becoming actually, meaningfully competitive. I regard all this giddy pom pom waving following last week's oddball win as a distraction and, to the extent it generates optimism, as based on delusion.

At the same time; Mayo needs to be given a fair chance (in my mind at least 3 seasons) to right the ship. Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru.

It seems to me that I have seen in last 50 years owners more often than not give up too quickly on a HC.

- Coaches fired after just 1 year or 2 often seem to find success in their next gig.
- Teams that give up on one coach in 2 or less, tend to give up on the next one as well. Setting up a domino legacy of failure (ultimate example: jesters).
- Teams that hold on for 3-4 yrs w it’s coach w/o great progress in year1/2 don’t always work out to top level success. but I don’t think they fall into the abyss as much either.

One opinion. Just saying.

 

[KCSVEN]

Cam Robinson should be the top LT in 2025 nobody should Outbid us for him.

Looks like Vikings trading for Robinson, will they sign him to extension?

 

[Thelonious]

At the same time; Mayo needs to be given a fair chance (in my mind at least 3 seasons) to right the ship. Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru.

It seems to me that I have seen in last 50 years owners more often than not give up too quickly on a HC.

- Coaches fired after just 1 year or 2 often seem to find success in their next gig.
- Teams that give up on one coach in 2 or less, tend to give up on the next one as well. Setting up a domino legacy of failure (ultimate example: jesters).
- Teams that hold on for 3-4 yrs w it’s coach w/o great progress in year1/2 don’t always work out to top level success. but I don’t think they fall into the abyss as much either.

One opinion. Just saying.

I find the notion that Mayo ought to be given "at least three seasons" to be preposterous, irresponsible, frankly. As for, "Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru," if it becomes clear after a a full season that the Kraft's strikingly unprofessional "hiring process" has yielded as unqualified a hire as the facts both prior to his hire and subsequently have suggested, it is sheer folly to extend by years the period of time the franchise must suffer the damaging consequences of the Krafts' failure. I am sorry to be so categorical, but I honestly find the time frame you suggest to make a determination actually outlandish.

 

[PatsFan2]

Looks like Vikings trading for Robinson, will they sign him to extension?

You serious is Wolf Alive??

 

[PatsFan2]

You serious is Wolf Alive??

@archstanton543 Quit it!! there is no way we shouldn't be in on LT Cam Robinson.

 

[1960Pats]

I was fortunate, I had a couple Jets in front of us who didn’t say a word all game, had four young guys behind us, two were Pats fans and two were Jets fans, I was talking to one of the Jets fans. However there were some Jets fans further down in the section, dancing and high diving all game. I wish I had taken a picture of the looks on their faces when they did the walk of shame up and out of the section. Priceless!

Stories like this have been a long time coming. If the team ended up losing you'd all have terrible stories and the streak would have continued. This win was HUGE!

 

[Lavictoire]

Wow! On ESPN’s First Take they said the Jets lost a game that was impossible to lose. They said in the history of the NFL, teams are 750 and 1 that scored more than 20 points, did not turn the ball over and gave up less than 250 yards defensively. The Jets are the one loss after sunday.

 

[archstanton543]

Wow! On ESPN’s First Take they said the Jets lost a game that was impossible to lose. They said in the history of the NFL, teams are 750 and 1 that scored more than 20 points, did not turn the ball over and gave up less than 250 yards defensively. The Jets are the one loss after sunday.

The Pats also set similar crazy records like that earlier this season so...while interesting, it's not really something to gloat about.

 

[captain stone]

...The draft is currently shaping up to be tackle-poor at the top of the draft; that's bad value. You'd be better off taking the WR and then trying to get a lower ranking tackle prospect in the high 2nd. Trade up into the late 1st if needed. But the upgrade to the overall quality of the team going from Lowe to the current top LTs is not big, whereas the upgrade going from Kendrick Bourne to someone like Travis Hunter or Tet McMillan is absolutely massive.

So trade down, multiple times if possible, and then take the OT.

 

[signbabybrady]

@archstanton543 what are you objecting to?

I did not say that everything is great with this team I am simply happy that they won a game...

FWIW, I think he's a tanker so he's mad we won and disagrees with celebrating it.

 

[captain stone]

You serious is Wolf Alive??

He's brain-dead, that's for sure.

BTW, the terms of the trade were Not unreasonable; Wolfie absolutely Should have also been in on this one.

 

[signbabybrady]

I find the notion that Mayo ought to be given "at least three seasons" to be preposterous, irresponsible, frankly. As for, "Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru," if it becomes clear after a a full season that the Kraft's strikingly unprofessional "hiring process" has yielded as unqualified a hire as the facts both prior to his hire and subsequently have suggested, it is sheer folly to extend by years the period of time the franchise must suffer the damaging consequences of the Krafts' failure. I am sorry to be so categorical, but I honestly find the time frame you suggest to make a determination actually outlandish.

I think I actually agree with you both in this case.

3 years is the generally excepted length of time to evaluate your hire. It used to be 5.

However one or two wins is more than just bad and opens the door for anything to be reasonable.

Ideally Mayo improves over the second half and we get a couple of wins. Then ditto for next year. Continue the improvement. But if it doesn't improve I'm not sure doubling down is right.

 

[Gumby]

The Pats also set similar crazy records like that earlier this season so...while interesting, it's not really something to gloat about.

Yeah crazy records like this one in 2012:

ButtFumble: … The play was the centerpiece of a disastrous sequence in the second quarter, wherein the Jets lost three fumbles and the Patriots scored three touchdowns in the span of 52 seconds of game time.

LOL SOJ

 

[Gumby]

I find the notion that Mayo ought to be given "at least three seasons" to be preposterous, irresponsible, frankly. As for, "Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru," if it becomes clear after a a full season that the Kraft's strikingly unprofessional "hiring process" has yielded as unqualified a hire as the facts both prior to his hire and subsequently have suggested, it is sheer folly to extend by years the period of time the franchise must suffer the damaging consequences of the Krafts' failure. I am sorry to be so categorical, but I honestly find the time frame you suggest to make a determination actually outlandish.

You know the rule about opinions …..everybody has one.

We’ll just have a DoO on this. I’m not going to argue it, as from posting history you seem fairly set in your ways/opinions ( dare I say; fanatical. ).

I’ll just reiterate a different way for others to mull over:

I think we can/should learn from history. Without going all de rigueur and actually researching crap: my 50-year historical gut tells me more owners did better in long term by being patient; than those who every 2 years had a win-now hair-trigger response.

Nuff said.

 

[archstanton543]

Yeah crazy records like this one in 2012:



LOL SOJ

No one's like throwing for over 200 yards and a TD with no turnovers and winning the TOP battle and still losing.

 

[Gumby]

You know the rule about opinions …..everybody has one.

We’ll just have a DoO on this. I’m not going to argue it, as from posting history you seem fairly set in your ways/opinions ( dare I say; fanatical. ).

I’ll just reiterate a different way for others to mull over:

I think we can/should learn from history. Without going all de rigueur and actually researching crap: my 50-year historical gut tells me more owners did better in long term by being patient; than those who every 2 years had a win-now hair-trigger response.

Nuff said.

I mean fanatical in a very complimentary way.

 

[Ross12]

So trade down, multiple times if possible, and then take the OT.

But you'll have a hard time finding a trade partner if the top of the draft ain't that hot.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

But you'll have a hard time finding a trade partner if the top of the draft ain't that hot.

Getting a top pick in a year without a lot of top tier talent when you don't need a QB is not optimal. Tanking this year is not the answer.