PostGame Thread OFFICIAL POST GAME THREAD: Patriots beat the JETE 25-22

[PatsFan2]

But you'll have a hard time finding a trade partner if the top of the draft ain't that hot.

And the 2025 Draft looks like a far cry from 2024.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

But you'll have a hard time finding a trade partner if the top of the draft ain't that hot.

Yeah, i wouldn’t expect a big return on a trade down in the next draft. The qbs are not anywhere near as coveted as the top 3 this year.

Likely won’t be worth it to trade down but we’ll see

 

[dliverey44]

Operation Tet offensive needs to occur next April, Get king Tet

 

[farn]

I hope the NYJ suck so hard that they pick first. And then, I hope their #1 pick is a Jamarcus Russell sized bust.

 

[signbabybrady]

I hope the NYJ suck so hard that they pick first. And then, I hope their #1 pick is a Jamarcus Russell sized bust.

 

[1960Pats]

I hope the NYJ suck so hard that they pick first. And then, I hope their #1 pick is a Jamarcus Russell sized bust.

 

[Ross12]

Getting a top pick in a year without a lot of top tier talent when you don't need a QB is not optimal. Tanking this year is not the answer.

Yeah, this is a year where you don't really mind finishing outside the top 5 as much as other years. In last year's draft, teams finishing with 7 wins still had picks in the 8-10 range. So the Pats should be trying to win games.

 

[Toofy]

I find the notion that Mayo ought to be given "at least three seasons" to be preposterous, irresponsible, frankly. As for, "Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru," if it becomes clear after a a full season that the Kraft's strikingly unprofessional "hiring process" has yielded as unqualified a hire as the facts both prior to his hire and subsequently have suggested, it is sheer folly to extend by years the period of time the franchise must suffer the damaging consequences of the Krafts' failure. I am sorry to be so categorical, but I honestly find the time frame you suggest to make a determination actually outlandish.

Agree with the view . Our best bet to get to Superbowl is on rookie QB contract and with the way maye is playing , you want to make sure he is provided with all elite support - coaching, Oline , wide receivers that get open and catch , solid defense and ST.

 

[patfanken]

I find the notion that Mayo ought to be given "at least three seasons" to be preposterous, irresponsible, frankly. As for, "Regardless if you think Kraft made a dumb decision w Mayo or not; at this point we‘re committed; see it thru," if it becomes clear after a a full season that the Kraft's strikingly unprofessional "hiring process" has yielded as unqualified a hire as the facts both prior to his hire and subsequently have suggested, it is sheer folly to extend by years the period of time the franchise must suffer the damaging consequences of the Krafts' failure. I am sorry to be so categorical, but I honestly find the time frame you suggest to make a determination actually outlandish.

it's incredible to me that you can make this statement even though the prevailing mob mentality seems to agree with you
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the level of obstacles Mayo has had to overcome have been massive. The fact that he is a first time HC at any level. The fact he is started the season with an unfamiliar coaching staff which includes three first time coordinators. The fact that he had a bad roster to begin with and THEN the player losses began. From Barmore to Judon, to JJones to Peppers, to Andrews and strange and Bourne. We have seemingly hit the bad season Trifecta, lack of talent, inexperience, and bad injury luck. Not to mention general bad luck like having the 2nd toughest schedule in the league

I find it funny that the same people who cried out ALL off season, that it was going to be a long hard season, and the roster sucks, are the same people who have been SHOCKED when the season has started out exactly like they predicted. This includes the media as well. They could wait to jump on Mayo's expected mistakes and make it look claiming he had lost the team. Tell me T, did it LOOK like he had lost the team vs the Jets???

Now I'm not saying Mayo should be COY, but given the had he was dealt, we need to see a LOT more from him and his staff. Three years is what I would give him, but if you disagree, can we at LEAST shut up the canning Mayo story line until at LEAST Dec of next year,

 

[Mike the Brit]

Boutte catches the ball on 3rd and Goal and is ruled down 6 inches from the goal line. Says Gene Steratore, "I think it's a great job!"

Here's a screenshot of Boutte waiting for the ball.

Oh, wait! Is he being tackled by the DB before the ball arrives? Could that explain why his knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line? Would that have been a penalty if the Patriots had done it to the JETE? You tell me.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The fact that he is a first time HC at any level.

Agreed. That is why a lot of fans thought Kraft should hire someone with experience.

The fact he is started the season with an unfamiliar coaching staff which includes three first time coordinators.

Covington and Mayo have been working together for 4 or 5 years. Mayo picked the other coaches. If Kraft hired a coach with experience he could have brought great support with him. I do not follow your point.

The fact that he had a bad roster to begin with and THEN the player losses began. From Barmore to Judon, to JJones to Peppers, to Andrews and Strange and Bourne. We have seemingly hit the bad season Trifecta, lack of talent, inexperience, and bad injury luck.

Judon was traded. That is not bad luck. The front office decided to roll over the FA cap dollars to 2025. That is not bad luck. JJones is not injured. Strange and Bourne are still recovering from off season injuries. Those are not bad luck situations.

Not to mention general bad luck like having the 2nd toughest schedule in the league.

The strength of schedule you mention is an analysis from May. Since then the Bengals, Jets, and Dolphins suck, so the Pats strength of schedule ended up being in the middle of the pack. Not tough at all.

I find it funny that the same people who cried out ALL off season, that it was going to be a long hard season, and the roster sucks, are the same people who have been SHOCKED when the season has started out exactly like they predicted.

A lot of us were not crying out, we simply thought hiring a coach with a network and experience was a better choice. Mayo is too green.

This includes the media as well. They could wait to jump on Mayo's expected mistakes and make it look claiming he had lost the team. Tell me T, did it LOOK like he had lost the team vs the Jets???

Now I'm not saying Mayo should be COY, but given the had he was dealt, we need to see a LOT more from him and his staff. Three years is what I would give him, but if you disagree, can we at LEAST shut up the canning Mayo story line until at LEAST Dec of next year,

Wasting 3 years on an inexperienced coach is an odd management move IMO.

 

[Thelonious]

it's incredible to me that you can make this statement even though the prevailing mob mentality seems to agree with you
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the level of obstacles Mayo has had to overcome have been massive. The fact that he is a first time HC at any level. The fact he is started the season with an unfamiliar coaching staff which includes three first time coordinators. The fact that he had a bad roster to begin with and THEN the player losses began. From Barmore to Judon, to JJones to Peppers, to Andrews and strange and Bourne. We have seemingly hit the bad season Trifecta, lack of talent, inexperience, and bad injury luck. Not to mention general bad luck like having the 2nd toughest schedule in the league

I find it funny that the same people who cried out ALL off season, that it was going to be a long hard season, and the roster sucks, are the same people who have been SHOCKED when the season has started out exactly like they predicted. This includes the media as well. They could wait to jump on Mayo's expected mistakes and make it look claiming he had lost the team. Tell me T, did it LOOK like he had lost the team vs the Jets???

Now I'm not saying Mayo should be COY, but given the had he was dealt, we need to see a LOT more from him and his staff. Three years is what I would give him, but if you disagree, can we at LEAST shut up the canning Mayo story line until at LEAST Dec of next year,

Mayo has faced many challenges. This is a good thing, as how he meets them is just the sort of information one will need to evaluate him. As we do that evaluation, we have to bear in mind the simple logic of the matter: the fact that one is faced with challenges does not indicate anything affirmative whatsoever about the quality of one's work. How he meets the challenges does. An incompetent man is as likely to encounter challenges as a competent man, perhaps more so, given that if he is perceived as weak, those who might cause problems, those whom he might have to lead or put in their place, are likely to be be emboldened by their perception of his weakness. Some challenges, that is, I would argue several of Mayo's in particular, are to a degree self-imposed.

The utterly asinine and unprofessional job-search and the foolishly whimsical basis - that he is a charming travel companion - upon which Mayo in particular, as Robert Kraft has acknowledged, was hired alone suffice to suggest one ought to be cautious as to his competence and as to his actual qualifications for the job which on paper, any objective observer would acknowledge, are weak.

I have said that I would certainly give Mayo until season's end. I think that only fair and reasonable. To date I regard his performance as a fumbling, equivocating mess, frankly, but he is owed the year, certainly.

Lest you think my reservations re Mayo are the fruit of indiividual animus, I would apply the same approach to the rest of the coaching and front office, all of whom were also hired in the same frivolous, lazy, and hasty manner as Mayo was.

I understand Mayo's appeal. He is, as Kraft and others have assured us ad nauseum, a "nice guy." If Kraft were hiring a personal assistant or a valet, I might say, "well done." But Mayo's pleasing manner has nothing to do with his presumed but unproven competence as a head coach, nothing whatsoever. Let's not announce the verdict while the jury is still out, assuming, that is, that ownership proposes actually to act as a jury, rather than as a fan club for their guy either out of affection our out of an unwillingness to admit a mistake.

 

[Thelonious]

You know the rule about opinions …..everybody has one.

I’m not going to argue it, as from posting history you seem fairly set in your ways/opinions ( dare I say; fanatical. ).

Gosh, I'll have to try to be more nebulous. Why, with a little effort I can probably manage - as some here do - to post without saying anything whatsoever. Wouldn't that be pleasant?

 

[1960Pats]

Agreed. That is why a lot of fans thought Kraft should hire someone with experience.

Covington and Mayo have been working together for 4 or 5 years. Mayo picked the other coaches. If Kraft hired a coach with experience he could have brought great support with him. I do not follow your point.

Judon was traded. That is not bad luck. The front office decided to roll over the FA cap dollars to 2025. That is not bad luck. JJones is not injured. Strange and Bourne are still recovering from off season injuries. Those are not bad luck situations.

The strength of schedule you mention is an analysis from May. Since then the Bengals, Jets, and Dolphins suck, so the Pats strength of schedule ended up being in the middle of the pack. Not tough at all.

A lot of us were not crying out, we simply thought hiring a coach with a network and experience was a better choice. Mayo is too green.

Wasting 3 years on an inexperienced coach is an odd management move IMO.

Your complaint is with Kraft, not the man he chose. I like the idea of a former Patriot as the HC and I especially like his pressers after 20 years of Bill. It's great having guys like Mayo and Mazzula.

I think the Pats have had a lot of injuries. The loss of Andrews alone is a tough one but they've had others

I like SOS talk because it shows the truth about the 4 division setup and the completely different schedules that teams play, which when the year is right we get what we have this year:
When you look at the AFC teams from 1-4 and 13-16 against only the NFC teams this is the ranking (the overall rankings are in parenthesis):
1-4 Ten (7), Jac (14), Hou (17) and Indy (6)
13-16 Den (19), KC (12), LV (19 and LC (24)
This shows that the AFCS had a much tougher four games against the NFCN than the AFCW had against the NFCS. Look at the difference in the overall SOS for Indy and LC. The Bolts are having much easier games than Indy and Ten.

And how has that affected the playoffs you ask? If they were to start today there would be exactly 7 teams in each conference with winning records. In the AFC it ended up perfect with one team from each division in the top 4 spots.
In the NFC though there's a whole new ballgame. Four of the top seven teams are all from the NFN and none of the NFW are in the top seven. That would be off the charts great if some NYFL darlings like GB, Chi, Phi and Was had to sit home while some teams with worse records from the West and South get in. It's something to look forward to if the Pats don't turn things around.

I can wait 3 years for Mayo to learn to be a HC.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I can wait 3 years for Mayo to learn to be a HC.

The chances of this working out well are slim. I am not against it, but the chances of success are not worth the risk. Be professional and hire a professional. Don't take risky chances with on-the-job training. This is the type of move that the Jets make and then fail.

I am not interested in 3 year experiments. It is also the kind of risky management that is confusing to fans and leads to fans stopping their support. A mistake is OK, but taking risky chances and wasting years of Maye's talent, especially when Maye is on his rookie contract, is foolish.