DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION Official 2025 Draft Thread: Day One

[sb1]

Felger must be so happy the Jets picked Membou. Now he can compare them all day and complain

 

[Kdo5]

Mocking the pre-Patriots picks for round 2

33. Cleveland - Shedeur Sanders
34. Houston - Luther Burden
35. Tennessee - Mike Green
36. Cleveland - Will Johnson
37. LV - Trey Amos
38. Patriots are on the clock.

Edge - Ezeiruaku, Scourton
WR - Higgins, Bech, Noel, Williams
TE - Mason Taylor
SAF - Xavier Watts, Emmanwori
DT - Darius Alexander
RB - Treveyon Henderson


Unless there's someone they love, trading back makes sense.

Higgins or Ezeiraku for me.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Will Johnson is clearly the highest rated player remaining, however, CB isn’t a major need and I question his scheme fit with a Vrabel defense. He isn’t a great press man corner and where he excels is playing off, keeping the ball in front of him and reading the QB and the WR (similar to Travis Hunter). Having said that, if he is sitting there at 38 and they are okay with the medical, could Will Johnson be the Devin McCourty FS we have been looking for? He is really smart, very instinctive and reads the game so well. For other schemes it would be a waste to move him from CB, but at 38 it could be an interesting fit here. Just a thought.

Ultimately at 38 I would be looking at who could help Drake Maye the most. I think we could double dip on OL with one of the 3rd rounders, so here I would look to add a weapon. There are a few WR’s available and I have been on record in the draft forum about my affection for Tre Harris.

Looking at the board though my top choice would be RB TreVeyon Henderson. A big play threat out of the backfield as both a runner and receiver. I think he could be our Jahmyr Gibbs. To me that is a far better risk/reward proposition than one of these 2nd tier WR’s.

Mike Green would be a top 10 pick if not for the obvious but Johnson is up there (cb2 for me) I agree on Henderson though. I wouldn't hate that pick at all although I'd lean wr. I would wait until the 3rd for defense though except Green.

 

[TommyD4207]

Devin ran 22+ MPH, he was clocked on tape during a play.
IOW, he was one of the fastest guys in the league, even though some people bashed him.
I'd like a smart Fast/Smart guy back there if at all possible.
FS is a need...he won't help Fantasy Football Assholes though, so that'll be a problem here.

I would be over the moon if Emmanwori is the pick at 38, I never thought he'd make it out of the first.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Reports are Simmons is ahead of schedule and should be ready for training camp.

Not saying injury wasn't a risk and affected his draft stock. It did. But fully healthy Simmons is likely the best LT to come out of this draft class.

So says the media, but Booger McFarland had the same injury. He said on live TV last night that it really needs a full year to get back to 100%. Ya, he may be back by the fall, but he won't peak until 2026.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Tre harris

Would love to steal Burden with this next pick but it seems like a pipe dream at this point. The Browns, Texans, Titans, and Raiders all pick before the Pats and all have a need for WR help. My guess is Houston gets him. Here’s how I’m seeing these next few play out assuming no trades:

33. Cleveland - TreVeyon Henderson
34. Houston - Luther Burden
35. Tennessee - Mike Green
36. Cleveland - Jalen Milroe
37. Las Vegas - Will Johnson

I’d take Jayden Higgins at that point if I’m in the Pats. This draft still has plenty of promising edge rushers that should still be around in the third, but is already running low on X-receiver types with WR1 upside, and assuming Burden is gone by then, Higgins is the best one left. He’s been compared to Nico Collins and we could certainly use a Nico Collins in this offense.

Id be very happy with either wr or edge but to your point the most ideal to me would be to land Higgins here and land edge in rd 3 or a trade up if someone falls. Dt and edge should have options in the mid rounds, Wr i dunno

 

[jdlboot14]

There were 8 OL picked in the 1st round, and we got the consensus best ranked one.
That is a good thing.
He also fills THE biggest remaining need for our team (for the last 6 years) This is a major win on many levels.

 

[Bill Lee]

Not necessarily these days

Fair enough. I should know better. I have a niece with a beard, no boobs, and something approximating a ****.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't quite see what you and Bakes do in Harris. I like him but I don't see what his super power is. But can we put that yards per route run stat in some context please. He put up those numbers against the likes of Furman, Middle Tennessee State and Georgia Southern before getting injured when the schedule started getting tough. It's not a fair comparison to those other WRs.

There's like 3-5 college teams that really separate themselves in terms of talent, coaching and organization. After that there's really not a huge difference. Nitpicking college competition is pretty useless tbh. You can do it with almost everyone at some point regardless of position but its not a useful exercise though.
You're scouting "traits that translate" not the competition. That's what important. What a guy can do, his adaptability, rather than what he can't or who he faced. That's the main focus for most scouts. The talent pool is so spread out. It's just not a big thing anymore.

Its his lack of effective route tree. I will have to look for the article but I think it was 50 of his 80 targets were hitches or Go balls. He is able to sell his routes with head bobs to gain separation in college, but I am not sure that will fly in the NFL.

He is not a very good accelerator, again in college he did alright but against most CBs in the nfl I think he will struggle to with YAC. He also faced a lot of off coverage and ate, but I think it is a risky projection to the NFL. I do think he will have some success but I like other guys much bettter

In terms of "super power" and I'll kind of respond to this post as well. It's all about the "collective" with Harris. He's one of the more complete wrs in the class. From the los, routes, blocking, size etc
Re: the "route tree" Which again I don't want to say it's not important but it's a non-issue for me bc he simply wasn't asked to run a complete one. I talked about Stewart in the DF and what he was tasked to do - playing out of position, playing the run first etc. For example Tennessee had about 100 true dropback pass attempts last year. You're not going to focus on "rushing the passer" in an environment like that. Harris didn't come from a "real" NFL offense but that doesn't mean he can't run an NFL route tree. Shanahan talked about this when drafting Deebo and theres so many examples i could use for this. Guys that ran a simplistic tree but are now considered one of the better rr in the NFL. You look at what he's doing, how he's doing it and project from there.

From my wr thread ....
"I love his ability again man/press. He's certainly not a finished product but he's got a variety of releases, is physical, uses timing, shoulder dips and a lot of other good stuff to win. He understands what's in front of him and has a bag he can reach in for different occasions. Sets up his routes with plus stems that attack leverage, blind spots and angles. Uses head/shoulder fakes, tempo and stride length to his advantage. Definitely has a good amount of nuance to his game. Constantly got better at tracking, catch point, catching through contact and adjusting in air. Plus hands, late hands, strong hands. Played in a typical hs/college offense that limited routes, wrs to one side and had a QB that wasn't always the most calm under pressure. He got a lot of potential and room for improvement when it comes to routes he can and should be running. He's a dude that isn't going to be impeded without real force and physicality. Will block his butt off and and brings the alpha attitude you want. Smart guy that puts thought into what's in front of him pre/post snap and how to make it easy on himself. A lot of productivity against poor teams but stepped it up against the best comp as well when he had to. He's old and been injured. Has to improve coming out his breaks and clean up his los footwork, too inefficient at times. Play speed isn't always where it should be vs zone/mof."

He's got work to do but I love his fit here with Maye and opposite Diggs. I think we'll go with one of the Iowa St guys if we go WR but will be pumped if we go Harris. I think he's going to be a very good NFL player but we'll see.

 

[manxman2601]

In terms of "super power" and I'll kind of respond to this post as well. It's all about the "collective" with Harris. He's one of the more complete wrs in the class. From the los, routes, blocking, size etc

I agree that he's a balanced receiver which is why I still have a 2-3 grade on him but I need a 'super power' to draft someone earlier. For Noel it's his speed and elite athleticism, for Kyle Williams it's his ability to beat press, his explosively and ability to win deep. For Jack Bech it's his route running, great hands, character. Higgins I'm a little more conflicted on but his size and athleticism give him the edge over Harris.

If we're looking for a big X, I think Higgins has the edge, then Harris and then Ayomanor or Tory Horton. That's how I'd rank them.

 

[jlu52]

Felger must be so happy the Jets picked Membou. Now he can compare them all day and complain

When one listens to Felger, you must apply the George Costanza rule, and do exactly the opposite, in order to realize success

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I agree that he's a balanced receiver which is why I still have a 2-3 grade on him but I need a 'super power' to draft someone earlier. For Noel it's his speed and elite athleticism, for Kyle Williams it's his ability to beat press, his explosively and ability to win deep. For Jack Bech it's his route running, great hands, character. Higgins I'm a little more conflicted on but his size and athleticism give him the edge over Harris.

If we're looking for a big X, I think Higgins has the edge, then Harris and then Ayomanor or Tory Horton. That's how I'd rank them.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying about those prospects. It makes sense. I have 2nd round grades on most. I would be very happy with most.

I'd counter with that balance puts Harris > the rest. He has more ways to win overall, snap by snap. He's as good if not better at a lot of what you mentioned too. Plus his blocking ability ! Something people seriously forget when considering these guys. No block = no rock in most offenses.


Super power - yac? vertical plane power? TD/Big play ability?



His route running is extremely underrated. When you see him run NFL routes he's very good - out breaking, fades, slants. He can do it all at high level imo.
aware when it comes to contact at the catch point in short (hitches) or long stuff (fades). He's very good against press/man very physical with a lot of ways to win. Williams is a demon. Overall he's better. Harris has a wide variety of ways to win against press bc of his hands, size and footwork. Certainly not as explosive but he's got a lot working for him.

We'll see who goes where. What happens but I would prefer

Harris, LBIII

Higgins/Noel ... lean Noel

Williams/Bech

Noel was very high on my board and got a solid 2nd round grade from bc of his movements. I would be very ok with him being here. I love his game.

Preference offense, defense? Who do you want?

 

[manxman2601]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying about those prospects. It makes sense. I have 2nd round grades on most. I would be very happy with most.

I'd counter with that balance puts Harris > the rest. He has more ways to win overall, snap by snap. He's as good if not better at a lot of what you mentioned too. Plus his blocking ability ! Something people seriously forget when considering these guys. No block = no rock in most offenses.


Super power - yac? vertical plane power? TD/Big play ability?



His route running is extremely underrated. When you see him run NFL routes he's very good - out breaking, fades, slants. He can do it all at high level imo.
aware when it comes to contact at the catch point in short (hitches) or long stuff (fades). He's very good against press/man very physical with a lot of ways to win. Williams is a demon. Overall he's better. Harris has a wide variety of ways to win against press bc of his hands, size and footwork. Certainly not as explosive but he's got a lot working for him.

We'll see who goes where. What happens but I would prefer

Harris, LBIII

Higgins/Noel ... lean Noel

Williams/Bech

Noel was very high on my board and got a solid 2nd round grade from bc of his movements. I would be very ok with him being here. I love his game.

Preference offense, defense? Who do you want?

This is why I like the position we're in. I'd be perfectly happy if Harris is the pick and like any of the day 2 options at WR. I'd even be fine with Ayomanor because while I don't think he's on a par as a receiver, he, along with Bech and Harris, are the best run blockers and Ayomanor certainly has X receiver upside. I do think he's squarely behind the day two options though.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Is there a reason that Ohio State LB/Edge Jack Sawyer isn't being mentioned as a possible pick at 38. He was very disruptive in the NCAA Championship game I watch and a couple of months ago he was often mentioned as a possible 2nd rounder.

Anything happen that caused him to disappear from the discussion

I used to see him mentioned in rd 2 also even towards the top of the round too. Not sure why he fell but hes been on my mind Ken, possibly at 69 , just 7 picks to go!

 

[PatriotSpy]

I like this Jared Wilson character on day 2.

And here he is. The eagle has landed.