PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2024 Patriots @ 49ers Postgame thread

[ahmed]

You're going to get **** on for this, but you could have taken Alt this year, and, oh, I dunno, Ewers/Beck/Ward next year. And maybe Xavier Worthy instead of Polk, or traded back and gotten another tackle to shore up the line, kick Onwenu back inside, because it's OBVIOUS he can't play tackle at this weight. Then, suddenly, you've got a mediocre offensive line at worst. Which is a VAST improvement over the turnstiles they're running out there right now.

Anytime more than 1 QB is going to be selected in the first round nowadays, it's hyped up as a generational draft class. The last one was 2021. How are those QBs doing? Literally all of them.

I argue this with a friend every year. He will say there are 3 or 4 with potential and ceiling. I say blah blah. There is at best 1 starting NFL QB every year. I have been basically right every year.

 

[dliverey44]

If he's not prepared and ready already, then they blew the pick. #3 overall.

Yep, you get rookie camp, training camp and a month of the regular season. I think it should be that way with every rook QB. You have no school work so you can be in the playbook as long as you choose. I do think some rookie QBs get thrown in to start to soon, but I feel like an appropriate amount of time has passed and if he doesn't have a good grasp now he is an idiot and you ****ed the 3rd pick.

 

[sb1]

There’s a Drake Maye in every draft. Joe Alt or maybe Bowers were the right pick.

The only time you'd pick OL at #3 over a high upside QB when you need the QB is if the OLman is a once-in-a-lifetime prospect - think Orlando Pace. Neither one of them are close to that level.

MHJ would have been nice but how productive is he with a QB who won't throw downfield and an OL who can't block.

Pick the QB.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

All the defenses know that he cant pass.

If the Pats are going to lose, at least give Maye experience. Who is learning a damn thing watching Brisset?

Maye supposedly

 

[Jim Beankie]

That's McDCheckedOutTamperingBrady, to be accurate, but yes.

Woah - Brady threw 60.8% that year... what a JAGoff.

 

[dliverey44]

I argue this with a friend every year. He will say there are 3 or 4 with potential and ceiling. I say blah blah. There is at best 1 starting NFL QB every year. I have been basically right every year

In order to be right you must not have made that claim in:
2016-Goff and Dak
2017-Mahomes and Watson(he was decent until the browns)
2018- Mayfield, Allen, Lamar (Darnold maybe)
2019-Kyler, Danny Dimes, Minshew(OK I will give you that one)
2020-Burrow, Tua, Herbert, and my fave Love Hurts (2 separate guys)


you also got 2021-2023 but still pretty early in some of those careers.

 

[signbabybrady]

Well it wasn’t out of context, plus I referenced comments from Wolf, Covington and Van Pelt as well.

Do you actually think the Collaborative is already fighting with each other?

 

[dliverey44]

Maye supposedly

He is learning don't hold the ball so ****ing long

 

[Jim Beankie]

Can't imagine the self flagellation that BB does behind closed doors. I wonder if BB/3 helps...

"Joey Slye was a great addition and they've got a good kicker. That's a big upgrade from where we were last year," said Belichick.

 

[upstater1]

If he's not prepared and ready already, then they blew the pick. #3 overall.

So far, Belichick has been spot on in his assessments made prior to the year.

1. In college, Caleb Williams has not shown he can play within a structured offense, or an ability to keep the offense on schedule, and his size concerns may preclude that, as spectacular as his abilities are.

2. Daniels reads defenses well, has a live arm, is accurate, one of the most ready and talented young QBs to come through the draft in a decade.

3. Maye is a big strong kid who has a great arm and can move well, but has not played enough to show he can read and dissect defenses. Needs seasoning but the tools are there. Very talented, just not ready right now for the rigors of an NFL defense.

Why is it a blown pick? Because the kid is not ready?

Nix is ready. Should they have taken him?

3 years from now Nix may be a David Carr or worse (Mac Jones) and Maye could be a Josh Allen. Will it make sense to say then that the 3rd pick was wasted just because he took a year to be ready?

Other QBs who sat for a year or more: Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Jordan Love. Granted, they all had good to decent to mediocre QBs ahead of them, but we should possibly be more concerned that the Patriots brass thought Jacoby Brissett could possibly perform like an Alex Smith.

 

[Mike the Brit]

I thought we should have challenged that earlier one too.

To the other plays I thought one angle made it look like a trap was possible but the reverse angle made it look it was a catch and I thought was more pretty conclusive.

The Polk one was a heck of an effort but he wasn't in.

I saw the ball compressing against the ground. That seems to me to be assisting the catch. Agreed about Polk. But hey ... being able to track guys forty yards downfield would have helped more!

 

[VrabelJr]

You're going to get **** on for this, but you could have taken Alt this year, and, oh, I dunno, Ewers/Beck/Ward next year. And maybe Xavier Worthy instead of Polk, or traded back and gotten another tackle to shore up the line, kick Onwenu back inside, because it's OBVIOUS he can't play tackle at this weight. Then, suddenly, you've got a mediocre offensive line at worst. Which is a VAST improvement over the turnstiles they're running out there right now.

Anytime more than 1 QB is going to be selected in the first round nowadays, it's hyped up as a generational draft class. The last one was 2021. How are those QBs doing? Literally all of them.

The majority of this forum are dumb Madden players. The same people will call Purdy a system QB and also not see why you take the 10 year pro bowler instead of the likely bust QB.

 

[State]

That's a point I've been mulling over - was one of the bigger miscalculations of this offseason going with Brissett?

Not sure if we explored others, could be the issue of nobody wanting to come here, as well.

Yeah, the cold weather and the millionaire’s five percent tax. And no wants to play for journeyman Jacoby Brissett.

Wolfie should have brought in Gardner Minshew instead.

 

[State]

This is a very long rebuild unless Krafty Bob wants to pay 120% market for free agents - 10% to cover the millionaire tax and 10% to cover the ****ty facility in the middle of nowhere and suck team tax.

Brother doesn’t want to live here. Especially when there’s Atlanta, Nashville, Miami, Los Vegas, etc.

Better weather.
Lower taxes.
Hotter women.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Does anyone else notice Purdy has a putrid arm?

 

[PScottman]

What coaches leave Demontrey Jacobs one on one with Joey Bosa for most of the game?

Especially on 3rd and mids (but makable)!!!

Anyway, like I said yesterday - OL is the fatal flaw. Some point to "but the average time to throw is..." as some explanation of the OL not being as bad. It's not just the average - it's when. What's the third down "avg time?" How about any "known" passing down avg time? I'll guarantee it's way less then the rest of the average.

Now is Brissett helping? No. Neither is the coaching. It is a team game, but if the OL was at least league average talented in both phases (running and pass blocking) the other factors are not fatal to the teams' execution of basic offense.

 

[Joey007]

Does anyone else notice Purdy has a putrid arm?

Think you’re the only one that notices that.

 

[JohnJH]

All the defenses know that he cant pass.

If the Pats are going to lose, at least give Maye experience. Who is learning a damn thing watching Brisset?

I don't disagree with the Brissett opinion, but, Maye won't learn much if he fractures a clavicle, or needs knee or ankle surgery (like needing a cadaver bone inserted into his knee in his rookie season like Burrow), or injures any part of his throwing arm (from shoulder to fingers), let alone a neck or spinal injury. Yes, I know that a player can get injured just during warm-ups at practice, but if he has legit Franchise QB ability, I don't want him going the way of Plunkett or Grogan or Luck. I know there's an upside to actual game experience, and I am torn on this matter. I would just rather at least wait until later in the season and hope that a healthy Andrews at Center, Onwenu at RG, and Wallace at RT can at least give him a chance. We don't have Andrews or Wallace probably for at least next weeks game (and possibly longer).

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Again, we don't really even have an offensive team at this point, just a bunch of guys doing what they can, which ain't much, becuase they are what they are. They are what Wolf has chosen.

Yes, but last year with BB it was just as bad. At this point, it is systematic.

I have heard it said that the Kraft's think they are smarter than the other owners and that is why the 2024 FA money was not spent. Brady and Belichick covered up the ownership problems for 20 years. I am not sure about that, but the last few years seem worse and it appears very obvious. Wolf had a press conference and said that the OL would be OK - clueless. We had similar issues last year under BB, and it like the organization did not learn from last year. It is really hard to understand the situation because the shortcomings are so obvious, nothing was done to fix the issues, and then Wolf pretended like everything was OK (which didn't fool anyone). When the problems are so obvious, it is hard to understand. At this point I can only guess it is ownership. Under BB it was bad, under Mayo it continues to be bad. What is the only consistent thread? The ownership.

 

[signbabybrady]

Why do you think those things?

I’m referring to
1) internally everyone seems to be on the same page.
Example, AVP implies Maye is his decision and Mayo implies its his.

2) players buying into coaches
I haven’t seen anything recently to make me feel like this. I know that keeping the QB in the pocket was a coaching emphasis this week, and they failed miserably. If the ol and Qb are buying into how they are being coach then the coaching is awful.

3) do nothing there’s in fighting
No way to know, but there seems to be a real penchant for throwing blame around, and as things get worse, how will that evolve?

Godchaux opened his mouth today. Uhoh maybe it is starting to creep in.