Offensive Rankings of Ravens Regular season opponents: POINTS

[strngplyr]

Differnece being, the chargers are a horrible match up for the ravens... while the patriots not so much

Care to go into detail?

 

[Lurks_All_Day]

Care to go into detail?

Oooh! Ooooh! Teecha, pick me! I cannansah!

It's because, while the Chargers have an explosive offense, the Patriots only sport the explosive offense.
And while the Chargers' defense befuddled the already-befudded Flo Jacco, the Patriots' defense can only hope to befuddle the already-befuddled Flo Jacco.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Differnece being, the chargers are a horrible match up for the ravens... while the patriots not so much

So horrible the Pats are 6-1 in the last 7 games they've played

 

[borg]

More fun Ravens stats:
Ravens D managed to hold teams to an ave. of 3.1 points below their season scoring average.....very impressive

At home, the Ravens D held opponents to 5.3 fewer points below their season ave.

But on road, the Ravens D managed to hold teams to 0.8 points below their average.

Therefore expect the Ravens to hold the Patriots to 0.8 points below their season average of 32......=31.2 points for Pats O

 

[BobMarley]

Well if you're going to compare Baltimore's strong spot then you should compare the Patriots strong spot to be fair. (their offense)
MIA W 38
SD W 35
BUF L 31
OAK W 31
NYJ W 30
DAL W 20
PIT L 17
NYG L 20
NYJ W 37
KC 34
PHI 38
WAS 34
DEN 41
MIA 27
BUF 49

Well out of this schedule the Patriots only faced 1 team in the top four ranked defenses, PIT and we all now how that went. They also only faced a total of 3 teams in the top ten. Beating Jets and PHI. So my point is, that how you guys think the Ravens defense hasn't been tested my elite offenses, we in Baltimore think that the Patriots offense hasn't been tested by elite defenses.

They will both meet in what should be a good game, and it's pretty naive to think that this game will be a cakewalk for the Pats.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Well out of this schedule the Patriots only faced 1 team in the top four ranked defenses, PIT and we all now how that went. They also only faced a total of 3 teams in the top ten. Beating Jets and PHI. So my point is, that how you guys think the Ravens defense hasn't been tested my elite offenses, we in Baltimore think that the Patriots offense hasn't been tested by elite defenses.

They will both meet in what should be a good game, and it's pretty naive to think that this game will be a cakewalk for the Pats.

While you can say we haven't been tested strongly this season, it really doesn't say all that much given the fact that Brady has been the best QB in the league since '07 and HAS been tested.
'10 faced Jets twice (ranked 6th), put up 59 points between 2 games before the playoff disaster. Put up 23 against the Ravens (3rd), 39 against the Steelers (1st), 36 against the Bears (4th), 31 against the Packers (2nd). Thats averaging 31.3 PPG against the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th ranked defenses.

Before you say "oh, that's last year", it's practically the same offense, just improved (health, O-line, experience for TEs) and the scoring difference between '10 and '11 is just 5 points (0.4 PPG).

Brady and the offense have been tested against elite defenses and we've fared pretty well...

 

[BobMarley]

While you can say we haven't been tested strongly this season, it really doesn't say all that much given the fact that Brady has been the best QB in the league since '07 and HAS been tested.
'10 faced Jets twice (ranked 6th), put up 59 points between 2 games before the playoff disaster. Put up 23 against the Ravens (3rd), 39 against the Steelers (1st), 36 against the Bears (4th), 31 against the Packers (2nd). Thats averaging 31.3 PPG against the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th ranked defenses.

Before you say "oh, that's last year", it's practically the same offense, just improved (health, O-line, experience for TEs) and the scoring difference between '10 and '11 is just 5 points (0.4 PPG).

Brady and the offense has been tested against elite defenses and we've fared pretty well...

Well if you use that logic during the past few years the Ravens defense has been tested by many elite offenses and came out on the winning side, and they're practically the same unit with a few better upgrades in the secondary.
Last year: NO (24) NE (L 23 OT) 09: IND (17) NE (L27 W14) SD (26).

But i think it's pretty illogical to go into last year because then we would have to go into each teams new additions and subtractions. K

Kinda like it's naive as a Ravens fan to believe that because of Baltimore's win in 09, it's gonna be a cakewalk for the Ravens this year. So yes I'm sorry I had to say "oh but that's last year" because yes the Pats O has only improved since last year, the teams they faced can be totally different now.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Well if you use that logic during the past few years the Ravens defense has been tested by many elite offenses and came out on the winning side, and they're practically the same unit with a few better upgrades in the secondary.
Last year: NO (24) NE (L 23 OT) 09: IND (17) NE (L27 W14) SD (26).

But i think it's pretty illogical to go into last year because then we would have to go into each teams new additions and subtractions. K

Kinda like it's naive as a Ravens fan to believe that because of Baltimore's win in 09, it's gonna be a cakewalk for the Ravens this year. So yes I'm sorry I had to say "oh but that's last year" because yes the Pats O has only improved since last year, the teams they faced can be totally different now.

I'm going back 1 year to an offense that's practically the same. The only real difference from last year is the addition of Riddly, healthy Welker, Hernandez and Gronk becoming beasts, and our O-line improved with Connolly replacing Koppen at C, Solder/Cannon taking over for the injured Volmer, and Water replacing neal at RG. Thats IT. And those are ALL improvements over last year.

You are dismissing the actually issue here by trying to turn it into something it's not. I addressed your SPECIFIC point: The Pats offense hasn't been tested vs elite defenses. I showed that it has and has performed extremely well. Your counter is simple "Different years, different teams"? As I showed above, it's the same offense 1 year removed, that's now improved. Trying to then spin it like "I could compare the Ravens defensive performances to XYZ since '09" is disingenuous because it was never the question. Your comment was not "vs Balt" it was "vs elite defenses". In fact, you were the one who pointed out our game vs the steelers this year, so it appears you are directly contradicting yourself when you say I'm being illogical by assessing the Pats play against teams other than the Ravens. You are also being unfair to count this years game vs the Steelers while conveniently ignore the ass-whooping we gave them last year with the same offense.
I'm not comparing defenses to this year or anything. I'm simply showing that the offense we have this year (which is the same as last year and performed nearly identically) HAS had great success against the very best defenses. It's not a stretch and it's perfectly fair.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

It is interesting that the Ravens played mostly lesser offenses but I can't say what that means. However, that the Ravens got walloped by the only offense (SD) that is high powered/has some statistical equivalency to the Patriot offense, to me this is where something can gleaned. A quick look at the box score of that game shows SD marched the ball up and down the field all day. The Ravens literally could not stop SD (SD ddn't score on 2 drives: Missed FG, Downs [because the game was over]). Another stat from that game that sticks out: Phillip Rivers was sacked ZERO times.

This means what has been said ad nauseum: If the O line gives TB time to throw, we will likely score a lot (not exactly a profound statement). Outside of turnovers, the Pat O line vs Raven D line is the most important factor to determine the winner of the coming game (the second is how well the Patriot D performs specifically against the Raven rushing attack).

 

[BobMarley]

I'm going back 1 year to an offense that's practically the same. The only real difference from last year is the addition of Riddly, healthy Welker, Hernandez and Gronk becoming beasts, and our O-line improved with Connolly replacing Koppen at C, Solder/Cannon taking over for the injured Volmer, and Water replacing neal at RG. Thats IT. And those are ALL improvements over last year.

You are dismissing the actually issue here by trying to turn it into something it's not. I addressed your SPECIFIC point: The Pats offense hasn't been tested vs elite defenses. I showed that it has and has performed extremely well. Your counter is simple "Different years, different teams"? As I showed above, it's the same offense 1 year removed, that's now improved. Trying to then spin it like "I could compare the Ravens defensive performances to XYZ since '09" is disingenuous because it was never the question. Your comment was not "vs Balt" it was "vs elite defenses". In fact, you were the one who pointed out our game vs the steelers this year, so it appears you are directly contradicting yourself when you say I'm being illogical by assessing the Pats play against teams other than the Ravens. You are also being unfair to count this years game vs the Steelers while conveniently ignore the ass-whooping we gave them last year with the same offense.
I'm not comparing defenses to this year or anything. I'm simply showing that the offense we have this year (which is the same as last year and performed nearly identically) HAS had great success against the very best defenses. It's not a stretch and it's perfectly fair.

I don't think you read what I wrote clearly. I did say that the Patriots offense since last year has only improved.

But my opinion is that the Patriots of this year have not been tested by that strong of defenses this year,like the opinion that the Ravens defense has not been tested by strong offenses this year. The reason I'm comparing Ravens defense to Pats offense is because the Pats offense is the Patriots strongest side while the Ravens defense is the Ravens strongest side. And I brought up the whole thing about the Patriots not being tested by strong defenses to counter the whole thing about Ravens not being tested by strong offenses.

 

[Satchboogie3]

I don't think you read what I wrote clearly. I did say that the Patriots offense since last year has only improved.

But my opinion is that the Patriots of this year have not been tested by that strong of defenses this year,like the opinion that the Ravens defense has not been tested by strong offenses this year. The reason I'm comparing Ravens defense to Pats offense is because the Pats offense is the Patriots strongest side while the Ravens defense is the Ravens strongest side. And I brought up the whole thing about the Patriots not being tested by strong defenses to counter the whole thing about Ravens not being tested by strong offenses.

"But i think it's pretty illogical to go into last year because then we would have to go into each teams new additions and subtractions. K"

So which is it? I was responding only to your post, not to how the Ravens defense performed. I also never said they weren't test by strong offenses, only that their stats are likely a bit inflated. They are a good defense, I never said otherwise. I was just stating my case of why I think the Pats could put 30 on the Ravens.

You do see how stats against weak offenses this year doesn't have anything to do with last year? In fact, it makes perfect sense. The Ravens were 3rd in the league in points allowed the last 2 years, allowing slightly more points in '10. It makes sense that it's very close PPG wise because while you faced tougher offences last year, the weaker offenses faced this year is balanced out by the more prolific passing games. The point? Your defense is basically the same (toughness wise), perhaps just a touch weaker (just a touch, still good).

Why you didn't just mention that and instead attacked a perfectly good point as "illogical" I don't understand.

 

[shmessy]

I just LOVE that "sub .500 teams" yarn. Who do you think put 'em there, ya foo? Subtract the Patriots' wins, and you've got some decent, if not Ravens-like, records. Jets w/o Pats games: 8-6. Broncs, 8-7. Chargers, Raiders both 8-7. Cowboys? yep, 8-7.

Meanwhile, I'll gladly take our 3 losses (to 12-4 Pitt, a resurgent Jints team, and a clunker against a divisional rival) over your 4 chokes to some questionable (read: lousy) teams... all day.

4-4 on the road.

Hmmmmmmm.......

 

[shmessy]

I don't think you read what I wrote clearly. I did say that the Patriots offense since last year has only improved.

But my opinion is that the Patriots of this year have not been tested by that strong of defenses this year,like the opinion that the Ravens defense has not been tested by strong offenses this year. The reason I'm comparing Ravens defense to Pats offense is because the Pats offense is the Patriots strongest side while the Ravens defense is the Ravens strongest side. And I brought up the whole thing about the Patriots not being tested by strong defenses to counter the whole thing about Ravens not being tested by strong offenses.

Granted.

The Pats haven't been tested by many good defenses and the Ravens haven't been tested by many good offenses.

Ravens are 8-0 at home and 4-4 on the road.

 

[UK_Pat37]

hmm.. maybe we should ask the Giants or Pittsburgh.. oh right.. your offense is peaking.. and our defense is stagnant..

The Patriots might struggle to score 20+ points.. if the Ravens execute that is..

Problem is the Patriots might score 30 and still lose, with the defense they have..

(Boldin, Evans, Smith, Pitta, ****son, Ray Rice, Leach) is no joke against a bottom half defense.

Its tough sledding.

Y'all better hope you can get to Flacco with a 4 man rush

Rich coming from fan of a team who only managed to knock Yates on the ground twice, and didn't even sack him......give Brady that time you're going to come back down to Earth with a bang!

We are not conceding 30 against you guys Rice is the key...shut him and the run gown down and Flacco chokes.

 

[Triumph]

Spin it how you wish.

I feel confident taking the Ravens league leading 68.8 QB avg rating against into the AFC Championship game in Foxborough against Tom Brady.

I suspect as has obtained in the past TB will end up in the low 80's against the Ravens and nowhere near 35 points as he struggles against the #1 Ranked pass defense (by QB rating) in the league.

The Ravens defense is not an illusion boys and girls.. sorry to burst your bubbles.

It is as much an illusion as your high powered offense.

What should be of concern:

Brady cannot score if he is not on the field.

Is your defense and its 5th worst 43% 3rd Down rate up to the task ?

I think not.

Not against (Rice, Boldin, Smith, Evans, Pitta, ****son)
and the 7th ranked Baltimore 3rd down conversion (42%) rate.

Strength against Weakness.. whoop there it is.

Brady cannot pass when he is on the bench.

Stop Rice and you stop the Ravens.

The Ravens have the worst passing offense of teams remaining in the post season. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS The Baltimore offense relies heavily on Ray Rice. The Pats D is good enough to slow him down significantly. This isnt 2009 anymore.

Flacco isnt good enough to carry the Ravens to victory. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 QUARTERBACKS Mark Sanchez and Joe Falcco are alike. Both 57% completion passers. Thats good enough to beat the Texans with Yates at QB, but not good enough to win vs the elite QBs in the NFL like Brady and the Mannings. Cam Camerons play calling leaves much to be desired as well. Perhaps he doesnt have the confidence in Flacco and thats why the play calling is erratic.

You have to pass the ball to beat the Patriots.

 

[patchick]

The new Pats defense has a very small sample size (a game and a half) but its very different from the Pats bad defense majority of season.

1. 4-3 switch to 3-4.

2. Chung and Spikes have returned, run D goes from average to very good.

This. It's funny how everybody is willing to just brush aside the Giants' regular season and call them "hot" and "unbeatable" based on the past couple of games, but all the other teams are treated as if they're the same as opening day.

The story of the 2011-12 Patriots defense: Belichick decided that given the non-existent offseason and shortened camp, he was going to install a pretty simple 4-3 to start the year, making it easier to find and integrate new players fast. Andre Carter was a key cog in that up front. He planned to add more into the mix, including more 3-4 looks, as the season progressed.

But then Spikes, Fletcher & Chung were all injured. Good luck going to a 3-4 with 2 of your top ILBs out of commission. And the defensive backfield was reduced to in-season tryouts of street FAs, career special teamers and even fill-ins from the offensive roster.

Now cut to the end of the season. Spikes, Fletcher & Chung are all back. Brandon Deaderick, a classic 3-4 DE who started the season on PUP, is back up to speed. The backfield rotation has stabilized to a set of players who actually belong in the NFL. And Andre Carter, the mainstay DE of the 4-3, is lost to injury. Suddenly, the Patriots' personnel is suited to their traditional 2-gap 3-4...just as they meet a Denver offense deeply vulnerable to a 2-gap 3-4. Kismet.

Can we expect this new D to dominate an actual NFL offense the way they dominated Denver? Of course not. But can we base our expectations of them on the earlier 4-3 where players like Tracy White, Matthew Slater, Sergio Brown, Antwan Moulden, Gary Guyton & Nate Jones were routinely starters? Of course not.

IOW, this is a whole new defense. Different personnel, different schemes. Throw the stats out the window.

 

[borg]

Pitt....22
Tenn....21...L
SL.......32
NYJ.....13
Hous...10
Jack....29...L
Ariz.....24
Pitt.....22
Seat....23 L
Cinn....18
SF......11
Cleve...30
Indy.....28
SD......5....L
Cleve...30
Cinn....18

Cake walk regular season

Another way to look at the anemic offenses the Ravens faced all year vs the offenses the Pats D had to face.
Total Points scored by Ravens opposition in 2011.....5,055 points
...........................by Patriots opposition in 2011.....5,457 points

 

[RealityCheck52]

Rich coming from fan of a team who only managed to knock Yates on the ground twice, and didn't even sack him......give Brady that time you're going to come back down to Earth with a bang!

We are not conceding 30 against you guys Rice is the key...shut him and the run gown down and Flacco chokes.

Why would we put Yates on the ground ?

Ravens WANTED him to throw the Ball.. I counted 6 easy picks (Ray dropped Reed dropped one and Pollard dropped one)

If you believe Pagano is going to go contain against Brady you are nuts.

Check the last playoff game for a preview of the pass rush game plan.

 

[RealityCheck52]

Stop Rice and you stop the Ravens.

The Ravens have the worst passing offense of teams remaining in the post season. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS The Baltimore offense relies heavily on Ray Rice. The Pats D is good enough to slow him down significantly. This isnt 2009 anymore.

Flacco isnt good enough to carry the Ravens to victory. FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 QUARTERBACKS Mark Sanchez and Joe Falcco are alike. Both 57% completion passers. Thats good enough to beat the Texans with Yates at QB, but not good enough to win vs the elite QBs in the NFL like Brady and the Mannings. Cam Camerons play calling leaves much to be desired as well. Perhaps he doesnt have the confidence in Flacco and thats why the play calling is erratic.

You have to pass the ball to beat the Patriots.

<The path to this season's playoffs wasn't an easy one for Flacco, who finished 15th in QBR for a reason. He played 12 games against defenses ranked in the top 10, throwing 14 touchdowns and six interceptions in those games.

There's no such excuse when it comes to taking on the Patriots' defense. New England ranked 31st in yards allowed in the regular season and gave up the most passing yards in the AFC.>

I'm confident...

 

[brdmaverick]

Could you post the defensive rankings of the Patriot opponents as well as their end of season win/loss record ?

Ravens were 12-4 which included 9 games against teams with winning records , 8 games against teams that made the playoffs.

How'd y'all get to 13-3 ?

A Patriot Fan using the term Cakewalk Season to describe another team is the definition of irony.

I'll be honest and say that RealityCheck has a point here. I'm not sure that Points Scored is the best measure of a 'quality win'. After all, the Ravens beating 8 playoff teams does sound like quality to me.