No Realistic Predictions?

[smg93]

Unless this is a kids forum, I'm sure we're all mature enough here to take the good with the bad. Are all of the Pats fans that talk about Manning's big forehead, etc. "telling what kind of trash they are?"

Oh please, you are the one coming in here to a Pats board. It's not like the great majority of us are joining a colts board with a handle that is clearly meant to incite a negative reaction.

 

[chrisfx811]

It was pretty well known that Freeney had some sort of injury last year. He didn't complain about it, just went out and played. Same as Marvin, he played a large part of last year, including the playoffs, with a broken bone in his hand, but you never heard about it from him. You hear the announcers talk about him drop a ball and how that's not like him, but the guy had a broken hand. Colts players don't complain about their injuries, they just play.

Brock was terrible last year. He really beefed up this year, it's called weight training. Brackett was already better than that, so that's how I distinguish between 200x and 500x.

Well then, in light of all those concrete facts, I guess you have just laid waste to all those stats, facts, and figures that were pointed out earlier.

You're getting closer to your namesake as this thread progresses.

 

[brady199]

You will soon experience the New Reality of the New England Patriots, other teams have and you will not be exempt my colts friends. They will embarass your team on Sunday, I'm not a crazy Homer either.

Let my tell you in 03 and 04, I did not feel confident about our chances against the Colts, Last year at Half Time, I knew we needed to keep scoring more points.

But this Year I've never been more relaxed and ready to watch your undoing.

P.S. But at least if Marvin doesn't Play you've got your Excuse all lined up!

 

[PatriotsReign]

He didn't miss the AFCCG or have off season surgery did he?


What did he hijack Harrison's HGH shipment? 500x?


How do you distinguish between 200x and 500x?


2 players are still the same, one has a bit more experience, one is equal, and the other one's trusted more.

Again, I don't know that they're MUCH better, as you said initially.
But again, I used stats to back up their performance, and you said things like 200x, and 500x.

And this guy Easterbrook is about 500x's more loony than any troll I've ever seen here. There secondary is not better than the patriots...Samuel is better than either of their corners.

 

[Na_polian]

It's true, its the other teams job to make a stop, but what's the purpose of trying to inflict more harm when the game is over? As Herm would say, "the purpose is to WIN the game."

All those points scored are part of the NFL's Tie-breaking procedure. If the NFL doesn't want teams to "run up the score", then they need to get rid of that part of the tie-breakers.

Don't thank me. I'm always glad to help.

 

[chrisfx811]

The Colts have the #4 Defense in the NFL, #1 pass defense, #2 scoring defense. If that isn't MUCH improved, I don't know what is. Is that statistical enough for you?

Again, I'll point out the stats I showed earlier about the quality of the offenses the Colts have faced. Giving up 7 to the Testaverde-led Panthers, and the Gray-led Jags respectively makes the #'s that much better.
We can agree to disagree, which is fine.

I just think relative to the defense that played the AFCCG, they haven't changed that MUCH. Yet, relative to that same game, the Pats offense has changed drastically, and their defense, relative to that game is considerably healthier.
I'm not saying some predictions out there aren't a bit lofty, but there's no reason to think the Patriots can't put up 40+ this week.

 

[Oswlek]

I am always amused by the "realistic" prediction crap. What if my prediction of a 42-27 NE victory is right? Was it "realistic" then? Even if it is wrong, that doesn't make it less realistic, just wrong.

Consdering how much better NE is playing than Indy right now, as well as how much better NE is then they were at the end of last year (when it took 59 minutes for Indy to take a lead), any prediction that doesn't have NE as the victory could be considered "unrealisitc".

That doesn't mean that Indy can't win, just that numbers can point to any conclusion you want.

 

[Ring 6]

Samuel may be better, but one player doesn't make a secondary. IMO, the d-line is a wash, the Pats have the better LB's, the Colts have the better secondary.

OK, I will stop reading and responding to any of your posts, because you just called Marlin Jackson a top 3 corner in the NFL.
You have proven you know less about football than the paperweight on my desk.


Wow. Just wow.

 

[brady199]

Hey After were done with the colts, rest assurred your Defensive Pass Ranking will drop just like the rest of them

 

[Oswlek]

The Colts have the #4 Defense in the NFL, #1 pass defense, #2 scoring defense. If that isn't MUCH improved, I don't know what is. Is that statistical enough for you?

The Colts have faced probably the easiest schedule in the league with regard to opponents offenses. And that is before you take into consideration the injuries that those teams had.

Indy will be lucky to not let up 40 this game. Don't act like we didn't warn you.

 

[brady199]

I am always amused by the "realistic" prediction crap. What if my prediction of a 42-27 NE victory is right? Was it "realistic" then? Even if it is wrong, that doesn't make it less realistic, just wrong.

Consdering how much better NE is playing than Indy right now, as well as how much better NE is then they were at the end of last year (when it took 59 minutes for Indy to take a lead), any prediction that doesn't have NE as the victory could be considered "unrealisitc".

That doesn't mean that Indy can't win, just that numbers can point to any conclusion you want.

I'm sure if Redskins Fans saw a prediction that they were going to loose 52-7 they wouldn't think that was realistic either. Real is what is gonna happen to the Colts on Sunday, I hope this doesn't send you guys into a talespin, cuz I want to do it again to you in the AFC Championship game, with a healthy Marvin Harrison, Cuz once isn't enought.

 

[Pats_AZ]

It was pretty well known that Freeney had some sort of injury last year. He didn't complain about it, just went out and played. Same as Marvin, he played a large part of last year, including the playoffs, with a broken bone in his hand, but you never heard about it from him. You hear the announcers talk about him drop a ball and how that's not like him, but the guy had a broken hand. Colts players don't complain about their injuries, they just play.

Brock was terrible last year. He really beefed up this year, it's called weight training. Brackett was already better than that, so that's how I distinguish between 200x and 500x.

Brady has been on the injured list as probable for a while now, and he never complains or whines about his shoulder injury. Imagine how much better he will be when his shoulder is healthly! like 800x better!

 

[RobAllan]

Brady has been on the injured list as probable for a while now, and he never complains or whines about his shoulder injury. Imagine how much better he will be when his shoulder is healthly! like 800x better!

Classic. This is classic.

 

[chrisfx811]

And I could do the same with NE's offense and note that 6 of their 8 opponents have had pass defenses not even in the top 20 of the league, the Cowboys secondary got shredded by Eli the Great, and the only good pass defense you guys faced, WASH, was missing two of it's top 3 CBs.

Which would be acceptable, if the numbers the Pats were putting up weren't so far above and beyond what anyone is doing this season. They didn't just increase their ppg by 3 or 4, or even 7 or 8. They are 8 ppg higher than the #2 offense in the league.

They held the #2 offense in the league, 5 points below their average.
The Chargers, 10 points below their average.
The Browns, #4 in the league btw, 10 points below their average.

As I pointed out, the offenses you are facing are exceeding or coming close to their offensive average production, save for the 2 teams mentioned previously without their starting qb's.

The Patriots are averaging more than double what 6 out of 7 of the Colts opponents are averaging. Only the Texans @ 22.4 aren't getting doubled up by the Patriots in terms of offense. Just a 19 ppg differential

So even if we meet our average which is what many of the Colts opponents have done, we'll put up 41.
Even if you guys average your offensive production against our defense, you would need to hold us to 9 less points than our average to squeak by.

We are hammering teams relative to what they are accomplishing against the rest of their schedule.

 

[COLT FAN]

One thing I must admit is that Pat fans are very capable of turning the discussion away from the point. This topic was to discuss about realistic predictions not about the screen name of a poster!

My answer to the original Q asked is this : It would be very difficult for either team to hang 40 or more on the other. I think both teams would score in the thirties.

 

[RobAllan]

One thing I must admit is that Pat fans are very capable of turning the discussion away from the point. This topic was to discuss about realistic predictions not about the screen name of a poster!

My answer to the original Q asked is this : It would be very difficult for either team to hang 40 or more on the other. I think both teams would score in the thirties.

I think we addressed both issues. The predictions of a pats 48 colts 21 type game ARE realistic. This is consistent with what we're doing to teams. And the Colts are not significantly better than the other teams we destroyed. They are better, and would probably beat those other teams by 3-14 points. But we're beating those teams by 21 points at a minimum.

The predictions are realistic. This entire thread is predicated upon the myopic view that the Colts can hang with the Pats. Nobody that's been watching the Pats closely thinks so.

 

[Pats_AZ]

One thing I must admit is that Pat fans are very capable of turning the discussion away from the point. This topic was to discuss about realistic predictions not about the screen name of a poster!

My answer to the original Q asked is this : It would be very difficult for either team to hang 40 or more on the other. I think both teams would score in the thirties.

News Flash! It is hard to score 40 + on any NFL team in this era!! with that said, i think that's why we are saying this Pats team is special....It's hard to do but as we have seen the past 8 games, it is possible and this will be the last "who have they played" game.

 

[Bannoman]

Samuel may be better, but one player doesn't make a secondary. IMO, the d-line is a wash, the Pats have the better LB's, the Colts have the better secondary.

One player can't make a secondary?? Are you kidding me?? Indy's ENTIRE DEFENSE lives and dies with Sanders!

 

[COLT FAN]

I think we addressed both issues. The predictions of a pats 48 colts 21 type game ARE realistic. This is consistent with what we're doing to teams. And the Colts are not significantly better than the other teams we destroyed. They are better, and would probably beat those other teams by 3-14 points. But we're beating those teams by 21 points at a minimum.

The predictions are realistic. This entire thread is predicated upon the myopic view that the Colts can hang with the Pats. Nobody that's been watching the Pats closely thinks so.

This is exactly the problem of some of the PAT fans "And the Colts are not significantly better than the other teams we destroyed." Look at the records of most teams you beat and the Colts. Besides the Cowboys not much. Chargers have started playing better now, but when you played them they were a mess. I am not saying fans should not be optimistic but to hang 48 points on Colts, your defense should have at least some three & outs from the Colts & move the ball efficiently & quickly. First BB & Brady might think it is to their advantage to move the ball slowly and keep Peyton on the sideline at least after getting the lead. So that makes scoring 48 points near impossible. I have no problem with the prediction of winning by 2/3 TDs as long as you are predicting like 34-20 or something like that. Remember it is entirely possible for the Pats to lose this game too!! As a Colt fan, I want the Colts to win but know the other teams players are getting paid too and they are also playing to win! Some of you think your team is unbeatable. It is too early for that! Being realistic means first & foremost respecting the opposition. When you said "Colts are not better than......." it broke that.
Yes on paper PATS look better than the Colts but we don't know how it transalates in to the field.

 

[Pats_AZ]

This is exactly the problem of some of the PAT fans "And the Colts are not significantly better than the other teams we destroyed." Look at the records of most teams you beat and the Colts. Besides the Cowboys not much. Chargers have started playing better now, but when you played them they were a mess. I am not saying fans should not be optimistic but to hang 48 points on Colts, your defense should have at least some three & outs from the Colts & move the ball efficiently & quickly. First BB & Brady might think it is to their advantage to move the ball slowly and keep Peyton on the sideline at least after getting the lead. So that makes scoring 48 points near impossible. I have no problem with the prediction of winning by 2/3 TDs as long as you are predicting like 34-20 or something like that. Remember it is entirely possible for the Pats to lose this game too!! As a Colt fan, I want the Colts to win but know the other teams players are getting paid too and they are also playing to win! Some of you think your team is unbeatable. It is too early for that! Being realistic means first & foremost respecting the opposition. When you said "Colts are not better than......." it broke that.
Yes on paper PATS look better than the Colts but we don't know how it transalates in to the field.

If i predicted a 52-7 win over the skins last week, would that have been realistic? Most skins fans would have called me or anyone else crazy. with that said, i DO believe the Colts are one of the best in the NFL, so i guess we will only know after the game whether or not the scores predicted are realistic. we are just fans...life and death do not hang on these predicted scores...if is for "entertainment purposes only"