NFL's Coaches rankings

[Wax Frog]

OT - my favorite popcorn GIF:

 

[farn]

I mean, all you have to do is look at the clowns in the top 10 to see why NE has been ramming the League for two decades.

If choke artist Payton is #3 in the league, with one SB and many, many disappointing fails (not to mention multiple losing seasons)... Harb « no one has ever seen that before » and his one SB at #4... Hell, Shanny at #10 has a winning % that is barely over .400 !

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Frankly coaching a football team isn't that hard to do fairly well.

I'm afraid you lost any credibility with this statement.. You obviously know nothing about sports management so you really ought not to show your complete lack of comprehension in public lest you be mocked, repeatedly.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ranking coaches is all but impossible, because so much of a coach's success is based upon his players. You can separate the stiffs from the quality, and you can find the occasional standout even at the top, but that's really all you can do.

A coach magically gets a hell of a lot better when he's got a Brady or Mahomes under center.

 

[ashley]

I'm afraid you lost any credibility with this statement.. You obviously know nothing about sports management so you really ought not to show your complete lack of comprehension in public lest you be mocked, repeatedly.

All one had to do is watch the playoffs last year, specifically two games- the Colts against the Bills, the coach cost the Colts the game and the Packers against the Bucs, the coach cost the Packers the game.....that's just two examples off the top of my head. I also go back to that coaching clinic that Bill put on the Rams three years ago....a clinic. A coach needs players, but a coach can also mess things up big time!!

 

[Deus Irae]

the Packers against the Bucs, the coach cost the Packers the game

The coach didn't cost the Packers the game.

 

[ashley]

The coach didn't cost the Packers the game.

I guess you didn't watch the game then...spoken like a true Buc fan. I guess the coach didn't cost the Colts the game either. I won't highjack this thread by talking about other games though, just wanted to bring up two games from last year's playoffs that came to mind where the coaches did a horrible job.

 

[Deus Irae]

Packers 4th quarter drives in the NFCCG:






So, 2 3-and-out drives, followed by a 1st and goal situation where Rodgers didn't gain a yard and went 0-for-3. That put the Packers in a position where it was 4th and goal, and they were down by 8. So, they had the option of going or kicking the FG. And one of the big complaints about kicking the FG is that it got the Bucs out of a situation where they were pinned inside their 10. But let's look at the possibilities about going for it.


If they'd gone on 4th down, and scored the TD, they still needed to make the 2 point conversion just to tie, and that still would have left the Bucs about 2 minutes to get into FG range, and with all their timeouts.

If they'd gone on 4th down, ans scored the TD but missed the 2 point conversion, they'd then have needed to recover an onside kick, score at least another FG, and held off the Bucs.

If they'd gone on 4th down and come up short, that would have led to the Bucs having the ball with the score remaining the same. So, even in a best case (non-turnover) scenario, that would have required the Packers using up their 3 timeouts, getting the ball back with 1:30 or so left in the game, and still needing the TD and 2 point conversion just to tie.

 

[Deus Irae]

I guess you didn't watch the game then...spoken like a true Buc fan. I guess the coach didn't cost the Colts the game either. I won't highjack this thread by talking about other games though, just wanted to bring up two games from last year's playoffs that came to mind where the coaches did a horrible job.

I did watch the game. Interesting, and ridiculous, post for a mod, though.

 

[ashley]

I did watch the game. Interesting, and ridiculous, post for a mod, though.

Ok, whatever. We agree to disagree then. We'll move on.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I guess you didn't watch the game then...spoken like a true Buc fan. I guess the coach didn't cost the Colts the game either. I won't highjack this thread by talking about other games though, just wanted to bring up two games from last year's playoffs that came to mind where the coaches did a horrible job.

1. I created a thread about the Bucs-Packers decision. The Packers had roughly a 12% chance to win the game whether they went for it or kicked. They would have also needed the 2-point conversion, stopped the Bucs, and won in OT. Attempting to convert a long 4th down like that - after having been stopped 3 straight times - might seem like the obvious to do for fans but wasn’t obvious by analytics.

The decision may not have been the right one - that’s debatable - but to say it cost them the game when they have roughly a 12% chance of winning if they’d gone for it on 4th and a 12% chance if they kicked the FG…

2. I honestly don’t remember the Colts game and didn’t see it live, but it’s strange how the teams are different and Rivers and Brady wind up the same way again. One of them winning while the loser whine about how “unfair it was“ for their QB and the other one playing just badly enough to lose while everyone points fingers.

Brady supposedly had the much worse coach than Rivers and Rodgers this time. But coaching legacies are created by players. That was never more obvious than in 2020.

3. Being a ”true Patriots fan” while disparaging others for their loyalty doesn’t make your argument any stronger. It seems that’s now the prevailing tactic on the forum.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I'm afraid you lost any credibility with this statement.. You obviously know nothing about sports management so you really ought not to show your complete lack of comprehension in public lest you be mocked, repeatedly.

Hey man, he's right if you're George Seifert with the Niners in 1989...

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

It's not unreasonable to say that Brady wants to retire with every major QB record and that he will do so.

I think Tom wants to keep playing and winning as long as he can and he's happy doing it. If he ever got distracted by numbers or records out there, it was to his detriment. Except beating the Bills at the end of 2003.

there's no reason BB couldn't coach for another four or five years. But does he really want to be doing this at the age of 73 or 74?

Bill Belichick Provides Rare Glimpse Into Future Coaching Plans

Belichick previously said he didn't want to coach into his 70s like Marv Levy

www.insidehook.com

This fits into the "Belichick's a liar" accusation. At the time he said it many years ago, he meant it. But also, it's not practical to reasonably expect somebody to just keep on doing something at the highest level well beyond the age when they typically retire. Brady and Belichick are special. And if you asked Tom in '00 or Bill in '75 if they'd still be doing this today, they'd probably have said, "Jeez, I'll be an old geezer then. I just hope I'm upright and doing at least something good then."

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Dunno about that, when some coaches are wrong then the world shrugs, for other coaches who are wrong the results can be as spectacular a failure as you'll ever see in sports. Super Bowl 52 for instance....

Belichick's fatal decision was correctable as the game progressed. No denying it - Brady was ready to leave afterwards, and it was Kraft who convinced him to stick around a while longer. But the writing was on the wall.

Berry's decision to start Eason over Grogan in Super Bowl XX was worse. Investing in implementing the game plan and preparing the team in the two weeks prior with Steve in place would have solidified, motivated and empowered the players, and made it clear to everyone - including the Bears - that the Patriots were serious about competing in the game.

Raymond Berry was undeniably an outstanding head coach, who did innovative and inspirational things to instill a winning atmosphere on the team. But he repeatedly torpedoed himself at the end of '85, '86 and '88 by being beholden to an astronomically inferior, overall mediocre player in Tony Eason, whose ego was protected just as Bledsoe's would have been in '01, which would have likewise resulted in zero titles.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

A few years ago, in a playoff game against the ravens, bb used funky offensive formations to perfection and that helped us get a win when we were down by two touchdowns.

The opposing head coachharbaugh (currently ranked 4th) was schooled. It was so ugly that in an interview after the game Brady suggested harbaugh read the rule book!

granted bb stole that from saban, but bb kept it in his back pocket until the perfect opportunity to use it.

if I remember correctly, there have been three or four times the league had to make rule changes because bb outsmarted everybody!

how many other coaches can say they caused rule changes?

bb is not only the best, but the number two coach is 8 floors below bb’s penthouse view!

 

[neuronet]

1. I created a thread about the Bucs-Packers decision. The Packers had roughly a 12% chance to win the game whether they went for it or kicked. They would have also needed the 2-point conversion, stopped the Bucs, and won in OT. Attempting to convert a long 4th down like that - after having been stopped 3 straight times - might seem like the obvious to do for fans but wasn’t obvious by analytics.

The decision may not have been the right one - that’s debatable - but to say it cost them the game when they have roughly a 12% chance of winning if they’d gone for it on 4th and a 12% chance if they kicked the FG…

2. I honestly don’t remember the Colts game and didn’t see it live, but it’s strange how the teams are different and Rivers and Brady wind up the same way again. One of them winning while the loser whine about how “unfair it was“ for their QB and the other one playing just badly enough to lose while everyone points fingers.

Brady supposedly had the much worse coach than Rivers and Rodgers this time. But coaching legacies are created by players. That was never more obvious than in 2020.

3. Being a ”true Patriots fan” while disparaging others for their loyalty doesn’t make your argument any stronger. It seems that’s now the prevailing tactic on the forum.

Ice analytics is one thing. Common sense has to step in at some point. Giving the ball to tfb. With a lead. With 2 minutes to go. Sorry that’s a mistake. I don’t care how many statisticians argue with me. I will simply fire them.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Ice analytics is one thing. Common sense has to step in at some point. Giving the ball to tfb. With a lead. With 2 minutes to go. Sorry that’s a mistake. I don’t care how many statisticians argue with me. I will simply fire them.

I don’t disagree. I’m going for it there because of the QBs, but the coach did not cost them the game with that decision.

 

[BobDigital]

I guess you didn't watch the game then...spoken like a true Buc fan. I guess the coach didn't cost the Colts the game either. I won't highjack this thread by talking about other games though, just wanted to bring up two games from last year's playoffs that came to mind where the coaches did a horrible job.

Respectfully disagree, the Bucs were just the better team. The coach should have probably gone for it on 4th and 8.5 to goal, but after 3 failed attempts i understand the logic, though I think going for it was the right call by a decent but not overwhelming margin. Outside of that call, there wasn't a 'mistake' I saw that was obvious. The Packers just got out played by a better team hitting their peak.

Ranking coaches is all but impossible, because so much of a coach's success is based upon his players. You can separate the stiffs from the quality, and you can find the occasional standout even at the top, but that's really all you can do.

A coach magically gets a hell of a lot better when he's got a Brady or Mahomes under center.

The only way to rank coaching in my mind is tiers. But that is tough. Not only is it hard to seperate coaches from players, but also from GMs. When the coach is the GM, it's hard to separate them from that. If they fail as the GM, does that them as a coach? If they excel as a GM, does it make them rank higher? Or are they simply a better GM than coach.

 

[Biffins]

NFL coaches rankings according to NBC sports edge:

NFL's Best Coaches 2021

Food for thought.

If BB goes 5-11 he’ll move to 285-147 as HC and 0.659 win %age

And if Tomlin goes 13-3 he’ll move to 158-81 as HC and 0.661 win %age to become winnigest active HC with at least 100 games !!!!!

To anyone curious about all-time on that list it looks like this currently

1. John Madden 0.759
2. Vince Lombardi 0.738
3. George Allen 0.712
4. Blanton Collier 0.692
5. George Halas 0.682
6. Don Shula 0.677
7. Bill Belichick 0.673 * Currently Active
8. Paul Brown 0.672
9. Tony Dungy 0.668
10. Mike Tomlin 0.650 * Currently Active
11. George Seifert 0.648

BTW on another note, does anyone know why Blanton Collier is not in HOF? He took over from Paul Brown and his Cleveland Browns reached the NFL Championship 4 of the 8 seasons he coached, winning once against the vaunted Balt Colts. And he continued to do well after Jim Brown retired.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

All one had to do is watch the playoffs last year, specifically two games- the Colts against the Bills, the coach cost the Colts the game and the Packers against the Bucs, the coach cost the Packers the game.....that's just two examples off the top of my head. I also go back to that coaching clinic that Bill put on the Rams three years ago....a clinic. A coach needs players, but a coach can also mess things up big time!!

Ashley is once again the genius of the thread.

People don't realize that as the task and organization become bigger and more complex......leadership takes the primary stage and the good/bad from that leadership only magnify as a result.

Look at how many games are lost by bad clock management and bad special teams.

People also forget that Brady was very smart to go to Tampa and we have never seen him play with Rich Kotite as his coach.