Re: Huge suspension for Saints players
Did you read the whole article pherein or just the headline? Life is all about choices. Hargrove should try his excuse on the IRS some day... They have a motto, ignorance is no excuse. Neither is I took bad advice...
Im not sure why you say things like this. You really just demeaning me in you own head.
Do you think I read it ?
Hargrove had a bad life, and childhood. Made bad choses with drugs. Saints cleaned him up and gave him a second shot. I think his maturity level is not what it should be at his age. I really don't fault him for struggling with his loyalty to the Saints. The important thing is in the end he comes clean. It wouldn't even surprise me if he is being coherst for only a 8 game suspension. He has nothing else that he can do except football.
I can see both sides. Personally I never seen how looking at something simplistically does anyone any good, until a conviction has occurred.
Interesting thing that some have pointed out is that Gregg Williams is the one providing information to the NFL. He's has everything to lose, and Goodell is in charge of wether he will ever coach again. He won't talk to the media, and has only supplied NFL approved written statements. This is a man that could easily be twisted to fit their position.
Jeff Pash was on OTL - which is reairing right now - earlier today. Vilma actually asked for a meeting several weeks ago, and the league agreed. Only when they tried to set up a meeting he changed his mind and declined.
Yep, thats correct. Vilma has hired legal counsel. The same lawyer that did starsgate.
What is the meaning of gate anyways? lol. Man, watergate really effected every scandal title since.
I see Vilma's innocence as being directly related to how far he takes this legally. Though some think you can not pass goodell,because it a off the field offense, thats just not true.
If the players can show malice, breach of contract, or improper conduct by Goddell, they are allowed to go to court, according to the agreement. And if a judge will not see the case, which I think is unlikely because its great for their career, He can go to the supreme court to fight the antitrust agreement. Which the supreme court struck down before. Im sure the NFL owners do not want that to happen.
The fraud mouthpiece for the union George Attalah was on today too whining about how he regrets that their hasn't been more of a collaboration between the league and the union on the bounty issue... It's not like the League didn't try to achive one - for weeks. The NFLPA claims it conducted it's own investigation only the league hasn't seen or heard a word about it's findings. The league asked for recommendations and input and got nada.
Though Im not happy with the NFLPA, the reason it exist is because of the negligence of the NFL and its owners to deal with its players. They created their own monster. Much like the corrupt unions of the past.
Why would the NFLPA tell the NFL anything? The NFL never released evidence to them from the start either.
NFLPA counsel response to NFL conference call | NOLA.com
New Orleans Saints Bountygate players Jonathan Vilma, Scott Fujita, Anthony Hargrove, Will Smith suspended - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN
Im not understand were anyone has a view to take Goodell's or the NFLPA side. Their both acting like idiots in my book. Goddell could memo the players with what he has for evidence, and tell them to shut up, or release it, and this story goes away, but he's not.
Because he dosnt have anything, except a few PP slides, couple emails, and couple guys supporting him. Against goodell are, I don't know, 50 players, coaches, etc. I think he knows he's not winning a court case.
Mary Jo Whites statements are usual for counsel, but oddly enough still provide no evidence. In fact why is she speaking up for Goodell's position at all at this time?
Seems and odd thing to do, unless your trying to prevent Vilma from civil/legal action.
I mean what is the purpose of it. He was obviously told her to make these statements.
And her statement come down to this " Oh, believe me and roger, they are guilt"
The NFLPA, I would love to see someone bring them to court for obstructing justice.
They are not helping the situation. The Saints players are caught somewhere in the middle, but really have no option except to listen to the NFLPA.
Its a mess, and mishandled on both ends. IT never should have gotten this far or taken this long.
The latest is they are threatening to take their case to court basically arguing due process and the unfairness of Goodell's power. Good luck with that since you're the same morons who just collectively bargained for exactly what you're getting. Traded any change off for the same thing you always do, a little better % in the compensation pool your star members see the lions share of.
Well, Like I said before. It can be done. There are was to get around the agreement legally. Vilma could even find a way to say the CBA was already violated.
Could Saints appeal bans to Supreme Court? - News from USA TODAY
However the players, who were given three days to appeal, may have significant hurdles to overcome. The collective bargaining agreement signed after last summer’s lockout essentially makes Goodell judge and jury for matters pertaining to the integrity of the game. Since this case technically falls under the umbrella of off-field conduct, the players can’t appeal to anyone but the commissioner per the CBA’s bylaws and may have difficulty getting the case in front of an outside judge.
“The players gave him extremely broad authority,” says Gabe Feldman, director of Tulane’s Sports Law program. “They’d have to show he exhibited bias or had no basis for the punishments, and that he acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner.
“There’s always the possibility the commissioner exceeded his powers, but that’s a difficult claim for the players to make. … They are going to have to overcome the fact that they bargained for a limited appeal right and that somewhere the commissioner violated the terms of the contract.”
Until, that trial is done, godell can't suspend anyone, that could take years, and the supreme court are not NFL supporters..
Supreme Court denies NFL's request for broad antitrust protection
Supreme Court denies NFL's request for broad antitrust protection
I think anyone thinking its not possible is not completely accurate.
I heard a couple of outspoken former players today say this union has sold their health and safety down the river for years to the detriment of rank and file players in order to pad the bank accounts of a small percentage of players at the top of the league. Of course, I've heard that for years. Now they are defending a small minority who participated in a bounty program aimed at potentially ending their peers and fellow union members careers rather than supporting an effort to change culture necessary to have any shot at improving player health and safety. Same deal as the HgH issue and their defense of players caught using performance enhancing drugs. Unions are such a farce
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Well its is their job. But I agree with you unions are usually not a good thing. But, if the NFL did their job and treated players fairly, like when they know about head injuries, their wouldn't be a union. Its the NFL fault it even exist. I wish people could just tell the truth, cared about each other , and tried to be fair. But thats really not our corporate cutler is it? lol
