NFL Players Poll: Most Underrated

[BostonRedskin]

Well the "some guys" you're referring to in this poll are the players. When a defense finally gets the Pats in 3rd and long Welker will break their back with a 5 yard catch and a 4 yard run. That changes the game.

The players say he is underrated. No offense to the players. He isnt underrated. He might of been 2 years ago. Maybe if the players knew about Welker he wouldnt get as open as he does every week. I find it funny players think a guy who has 2 straight 110+ rec seasons is underrated.

 

[Deus Irae]

No I just gave my personal opinion. I think hes overrated for all of the hype he gets when compared to superstar WRs. Wes Welker isnt a superstar WR. Welker is a solid player who can rack up catches across the middle of the field. People throw him in discussions with players that are playmakers. Im not hating on Welker.

It's not that you're hating on Welker, it's that you're not making sense. How can he be "the most reliable receiver in the NFL" and "a first down machine", and be overrated when he's considered the second best receiver on his own team?

Also, the last time I checked, turning 3rd downs into 1st downs is a big part of what "playmakers" do.

 

[MassPats38]

I agree hes not a burner. Thats why I dont like it when a slot WR gets thrown into discussions with true playmakers. Welker did help Brady also. I just think Brady helped Welker alot more. I also think more than anything the NE system helps Welker. Other NE WRs in the past made some plays b/c of Brady. No name guys turned into solid players. Welker had more talent then them so he can do more things over the middle but if Welker went somewhere else instead of NE I dont see him getting 100 receptions a season.

But none of those "no name" players turned into stars. Again, the most talented receivers in the game likely could not do the job Welker does, It takes a certain skill set, and burners are not necessarily great route runners. Moss had to work to even develop a route running ability. He is no Welker, and he benefits from Welker probably as much as Welker benefits from him. The fact Moss asked Welker for offseason drills to work on his skills probably should give you a fair idea of how good Welker really is.

And Welker had 67 receptions with Miami with Joey Harrington as his QB, a guy completing 58% of his passes for a 68 QB rating, prior to coming to the Pats. That is not a mediocre season. Harrington was a bad QB, yet Welker still had statistics reflecting a pretty good season. Welker did his job. Harrington failed.

 

[BostonRedskin]

It's not that you're hating on Welker, it's that you're not making sense. How can he be "the most reliable receiver in the NFL" and "a first down machine", and be overrated when he's considered the second best receiver on his own team?

Also, the last time I checked, turning 3rd downs into 1st downs is a big part of what "playmakers" do.

Im sorry I dont compare slot WRs to guys who can score 3 TDs in any game. Welker is a nice reliable WR. For that he isnt underrated or overrated. Hes just a beast. I think when people compare Welker to Andre Johnson it makes Welker overrated.

Do you think Welker should be compared with a WR that can go deep and score on any given play. That is what doesnt make sense. Its not his fault hes overrated. Its the fans who hype him up to such a extent that he becomes overrated.

What did Welker do in SB 42? Who won the game?

Im not trying to be a **** bringing that game up but that game proves my point. The Giants shut down Moss and pressured Brady hard all game. Did Welker win them the game? Now put 2 and 3 guys on Welker and leave Moss 1 on 1 every snap. Lets see what happens.

 

[Frezo]

The players say he is underrated. No offense to the players. He isnt underrated. He might of been 2 years ago. Maybe if the players knew about Welker he wouldnt get as open as he does every week. I find it funny players think a guy who has 2 straight 110+ rec seasons is underrated.

Don't you think the players might be referring to people like yourself that refuse to view him as a top WR?

 

[BostonRedskin]

But none of those "no name" players turned into stars. Again, the most talented receivers in the game likely could not do the job Welker does, It takes a certain skill set, and burners are not necessarily great route runners. Moss had to work to even develop a route running ability. He is no Welker, and he benefits from Welker probably as much as Welker benefits from him. The fact Moss asked Welker for offseason drills to work on his skills probably should give you a fair idea of how good Welker really is.

And Welker had 67 receptions with Miami with Joey Harrington as his QB, a guy completing 58% of his passes for a 68 QB rating, prior to coming to the Pats. That is not a mediocre season. Harrington was a bad QB, yet Welker still had statistics reflecting a pretty good season. Welker did his job. Harrington failed.

None of those no name WRs had Moss catching 34 TDs the last 2 seasons.

I dont understand the point about bringing up Welker in Miami. He was a solid WR there. Just like he is now. Im only saying he is overrated when he is compared to top NFL WRs like he is.

 

[BostonRedskin]

Don't you think the players might be referring to people like yourself that refuse to view him as a top WR?

I view him as the best slot WR in the NFL. That is what he is.

When he gets compared to playmaking WRs he becomes overrated.

 

[Patjew]

I consider him well rated.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

If anything, Drew Brees is overrated because he is such a good fantasy QB. He throws a bit too many INT for my liking. His career TD-INT ratio is 182-104 while Brady's is 212-90 and Manning's is 349-169. Add in the fact that the guy has ZERO hardware and you have yourself an overrated QB just because of the numbers he has been able to put up in that offense for fantasy. He's only led his team to the playoffs twice (once with SD and once with NO). I can't fathom how he is on the underrated list.

 

[Deus Irae]

Im sorry I dont compare slot WRs to guys who can score 3 TDs in any game. Welker is a nice reliable WR. For that he isnt underrated or overrated. Hes just a beast. I think when people compare Welker to Andre Johnson it makes Welker overrated.

Do you think Welker should be compared with a WR that can go deep and score on any given play. That is what doesnt make sense. Its not his fault hes overrated. Its the fans who hype him up to such a extent that he becomes overrated.

What did Welker do in SB 42? Who won the game?

Im not trying to be a **** bringing that game up but that game proves my point. The Giants shut down Moss and pressured Brady hard all game. Did Welker win them the game? Now put 2 and 3 guys on Welker and leave Moss 1 on 1 every snap. Lets see what happens.

No, that game doesn't prove your point. One game obviously doesn't prove your point. For the record, Welker had 11 catches for 103 yards and the team lost. Pointing to one of your earlier names, Fitzgerald had 7 catches for 127 yards and 2 touchdowns, and his team lost, too.

Using your overall logic from this post, Boldin is overrated, Steve Largent was overrated, Chris Carter was overrated, Michael Irvin was overrated and Art Monk was overrated, among many others. Not a single one of them is/was a WR that could go deep and score on every play. Using your argument, the fact that the 4 of them who are retired are generally considered among the very best to ever play wide receiver must be some sort of joke.

 

[BostonRedskin]

If anything, Drew Brees is overrated because he is such a good fantasy QB. He throws a bit too many INT for my liking. His career TD-INT ratio is 182-104 while Brady's is 212-90 and Manning's is 349-169. Add in the fact that the guy has ZERO hardware and you have yourself an overrated QB just because of the numbers he has been able to put up in that offense for fantasy. He's only led his team to the playoffs twice (once with SD and once with NO). I can't fathom how he is on the underrated list.

I would agree with that to a extent. He does make some bad mistakes in games at times. Then again at times he can carry a team on his back like he did last season with all of the injuries the Saints had. I think this year though the Saints might just break through and get to the Super Bowl. He finally has a playmaking defense. That is huge.

 

[BostonRedskin]

No, that game doesn't prove your point. One game obviously doesn't prove your point.

Using your overall logic from this post, Boldin is overrated, Steve Largent was overrated, Chris Carter was overrated, Michael Irvin was overrated and Art Monk was overrated, among many others. Not a single one of them is/was a WR that could go deep and score on every play. Using your argument, the fact that the 4 of them who are retired are generally considered among the very best to ever play wide receiver must be some sort of joke.

Actually they are playmakers. All of those WRs you listed can score on a long TD and have scored TDs in their careers. Some of those WRs played some years on more running based teams. Some of those WRs like Monk also had 2 other playmaking WRs on their team. They have scored TDs and made plays time and time again in their careers. I consider a playmaker a guy who can do more then just go over the middle. Every WR you listed could do that and more.

All Welker can do is go over the middle and get the first down. He does do it better than anyone else in the NFL right now. Like I said hes the best slot WR in the NFL.

When you compare a guy who is pretty much a slot WR no matter how good he is to a guy who can do numerous things on the field then a guy like Welker becomes overrated imo.

 

[Frezo]

I view him as the best slot WR in the NFL. That is what he is.

When he gets compared to playmaking WRs he becomes overrated.

He's missed two games this year and he leads the league in receptions and yards per game. There is no other slot receiver that comes close. He can fake defenders out of their shoes, keep drives alive and single handedly keep opposing offenses off the field. He changes a game in a way that very few WRs can. He deserves to be classed as a top WR.

 

[MassPats38]

None of those no name WRs had Moss catching 34 TDs the last 2 seasons.

I dont understand the point about bringing up Welker in Miami. He was a solid WR there. Just like he is now. Im only saying he is overrated when he is compared to top NFL WRs like he is.

The "no name" receivers you claimed Brady made good were not on the team with Moss. You said Brady made his receivers better. Welker was already good without Brady in Miami, and better with him. Secondaries have to consider Welker, which means Moss isn't tracked by the entire defensive backfield.

Overrated means the play is not as valuable to a team as the public proclaims him to be, or abilities/performance do not support the reviews. You appear to have a one-track mind as far as receiver qualities, that receivers must fit the TO or Moss or Andre Johnson mold to be great receivers. Your so-called playmaker receivers do not win games if that is all the offense has. Andre Johnson is a great receiver, but the Texans blow as a team and have blown as long as he has been with the team. Moss can be taken out of the equation by the right defense, and then he gets no TDs. The Pats offense benefits from multiple receivers doing their jobs, and Welker and Moss do their respective jobs well. If either is out, the other is not as successful.

You appear to be reaching to defend your claim Welker is overrated. If you don't believe the posters here, then listen to Randy Moss.

 

[BostonRedskin]

He's missed two games this year and he leads the league in receptions and yards per game. There is no other slot receiver that comes close. He can fake defenders out of their shoes, keep drives alive and single handedly keep opposing offenses off the field. He changes a game in a way that very few WRs can. He deserves to be classed as a top WR.

Well dude I respect your opinion. I think hes overrated. I know others will disagree. Even more so on a Pats Message Board.

More than anything im really just shocked hes listed as underrated by the players. Hes one of the last guys I would think of as underrated.

 

[Deus Irae]

Actually they are playmakers. All of those WRs you listed can score on a long TD and have scored TDs in their careers. Some of those WRs played some years on more running based teams. Some of those WRs like Monk also had 2 other playmaking WRs on their team. They have scored TDs and made plays time and time again in their careers. I consider a playmaker a guy who can do more then just go over the middle. Every WR you listed could do that and more.

All Welker can do is go over the middle and get the first down. He does do it better than anyone else in the NFL right now. Like I said hes the best slot WR in the NFL.

When you compare a guy who is pretty much a slot WR no matter how good he is to a guy who can do numerous things on the field then a guy like Welker becomes overrated imo.

Ok, as I noted, you're just trying to out think the room and making no sense. Not one of those receivers was considered a traitonal 'deep threat'.

Also, Welker's career high in TDs is 8, which is the same as Monk's.

In 12 seasons, Irvin had only 2 seasons with more than 8 TDs, with a 9 TD season and a 10 TD season. Irvin had 2 seasons where he scored just 2 TDs (although only 1 'full' season with just 2 TDs) and one season where he only scored 1 touchdown.

In short, your argument continues to fail.

 

[BostonRedskin]

The "no name" receivers you claimed Brady made good were not on the team with Moss. You said Brady made his receivers better. Welker was already good without Brady in Miami, and better with him. Secondaries have to consider Welker, which means Moss isn't tracked by the entire defensive backfield.

Alot of you guys dont understand I guess what im saying. Welker is a damn good slot WR. Im saying that when people compare a top slot WR to a guy who can also do what Welker does and also score on any given play he becomes overrated.

Those no name WRs sucked. They became good under Brady and the NE system.

Welker was good in Miami. He became the best slot WR when he came to NE.

Overrated means the play is not as valuable to a team as the public proclaims him to be, or abilities/performance do not support the reviews. You appear to have a one-track mind as far as receiver qualities, that receivers must fit the TO or Moss or Andre Johnson mold to be great receivers. Your so-called playmaker receivers do not win games if that is all the offense has. Andre Johnson is a great receiver, but the Texans blow as a team and have blown as long as he has been with the team. Moss can be taken out of the equation by the right defense, and then he gets no TDs. The Pats offense benefits from multiple receivers doing their jobs, and Welker and Moss do their respective jobs well. If either is out, the other is not as successful.

A one-track mind? Thats funny. I know what overrated means. The problem is alot of Pats fans in this thread are defending Welker when there is no need too. Im not saying hes overrated b/c he isnt a good WR. When I say hes the best slot WR in the NFL I think every Pats fan would agree.

Im saying when you compare a WR that can also go over the middle but also go over the top and score Welker becomes overrated. When this happens people put Welker in a class he doesnt belong in. Thats a textbook case of being overrated.

Im not saying only top WRs are guys that can go deep. Im saying complete WRs that can do more than just go over the middle shouldnt be compared to Wes Welker.

Would you say a WR like Welker is as good as Moss, Fitz, Andre, etc. ?

Would you compare a slot WR to a #1 WR?

If you do you are overrating him.

 

[BostonRedskin]

Ok, as I noted, you're just trying to out think the room and making no sense. Not one of those receivers was considered a traitonal 'deep threat'.

Also, Welker's career high in TDs is 8, which is the same as Monk's.

In 12 seasons, Irvin had only 2 seasons with more than 8 TDs, with a 9 TD season and a 10 TD season. Irvin had 2 seasons where he scored just 2 TDs (although only 1 'full' season with just 2 TDs) and one season where he only scored 1 touchdown.

In short, your argument continues to fail.

Dude your out think and continues to fail comments dont do nothing for the thread or either of our opinions. Im saying Welker shouldnt be compared to a guy who can score and also go over the middle.

You didnt watch Monk or Irvin play I guess. Monk gave up big numbers b/c he had Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders next to him. Irvin was nicknamed the playmaker for a reason.

When you compare Irvin to Welker you fail so hard it makes me laugh. Ive seen Irvin make plays that Welker could never make. Go watch some tapes of Irvin and get back with me dude.

 

[BostonRedskin]

Long story short im not trying to out think anybody. Im just giving my opinion.

Anyone who watches the game should realize Welker is a damn good slot WR but hes not a gamebreaker. He wont take a 2 yard pass 80 yards unless he has alot of luck.

My point has been made when people compare Welker to Irvin.

Its been fun debating with you guys. Once again I really like what Welker does on the field. He is the best slot WR in the NFL.

My only reasons for saying he is overrated is when he gets compared to guys who can do what he does and more. I think his numbers are inflated playing in NE. I still think either way hes a good player.

I just dont like seeing Welker compared to superstars and legends. Thats why I say hes overrated.

Good night everyone. On a different note the Celtics whipped the bulls ass all over the court tonight. :eat3:

 

[Deus Irae]

Dude your out think and continues to fail comments dont do nothing for the thread or either of our opinions. Im saying Welker shouldnt be compared to a guy who can score and also go over the middle.

You didnt watch Monk or Irvin play I guess. Monk gave up big numbers b/c he had Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders next to him. Irvin was nicknamed the playmaker for a reason.

When you compare Irvin to Welker you fail so hard it makes me laugh. Ive seen Irvin make plays that Welker could never make. Go watch some tapes of Irvin and get back with me dude.

I did watch Monk and Irvin play. Neither was a deep touchdown threat, as the data shows. Harper had that role in Dallas, for example, not Irvin.

Furthermore, I didn't compare Welker to Irvin. You made a terrible assertion about players who could 'go deep and and score a TD on any given play'. I noted examples of great receivers who wouldn't fit that mold but are considered among the very best anyway.

Face it. Your argument on this is simply a bad argument.