NFL General News Week 4

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[mike_usagisan]

But, but... they have cannons for arms or can be mobile. You mean there's more to QB than that?

 

[turkeyneck]

But, but... they have cannons for arms or can be mobile. You mean there's more to QB than that?

Drafters mesmerized by physical talent and ignoring the capacity for mental processing.

 

[p8ryts]

Drafters mesmerized by physical talent and ignoring the capacity for mental processing.

It's how quickly they can see and understand the field at the snap and then how quickly they respond to that. That is a rare talent, not often repeated.

 

[Guts]

Drafters mesmerized by physical talent and ignoring the capacity for mental processing.

They want the next Mahomes talent wise but they forget he fell to the ultimate playcaller(Reid), with the ultimate cheat code in POS Hill, and a top 5 TE of all time in Kelce. He also learned under a extreme professional in Alex Smith for a year

 

[turkeyneck]

It's how quickly they can see and understand the field at the snap and then how quickly they respond to that. That is a rare talent, not often repeated.

That was the contrast between Brady and Bledsoe that was immediately apparent once TB got on the field.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[upstater1]

But, but... they have cannons for arms or can be mobile. You mean there's more to QB than that?

It could also be the teams themselves and their incapability of running an offense for these QBs. Obviously I'm not talking about Trey Lance and the 49ers, but I look at Chicago with Fields and I really wonder if they're ruining him.

I watch about 6 or 7 Ohio State games a year and I truly refuse to believe that Stroud is a better QB than Fields. It's just that Houston is a better place for a QB than Chicago is.

Fields at Ohio State was much better at reading defenses and making tight throws in windows than Stroud was. I'm just perplexed by the start of both careers. I picked Stroud as a flop whereas I thought Fields would become a very good Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts type QB. In fact, Fields has a better arm than all 3 and also used to read defenses well.

 

[p8ryts]

That was the contrast between Brady and Bledsoe that was immediately apparent once TB got on the field.

Absolutely true. I was and am a big Bledsoe fan, but he had to see the open receiver and then his cannon arm got the ball there. Thus the great connection with Ben Coates.

 

[p8ryts]

It could also be the teams themselves and their incapability of running an offense for these QBs. Obviously I'm not talking about Trey Lance and the 49ers, but I look at Chicago with Fields and I really wonder if they're ruining him.

I watch about 6 or 7 Ohio State games a year and I truly refuse to believe that Stroud is a better QB than Fields. It's just that Houston is a better place for a QB than Chicago is.

Fields at Ohio State was much better at reading defenses and making tight throws in windows than Stroud was. I'm just perplexed by the start of both careers. I picked Stroud as a flop whereas I thought Fields would become a very good Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts type QB. In fact, Fields has a better arm than all 3 and also used to read defenses well.

I was extremely impressed with Stroud in the game against Georgia. Never really saw Fields except last year in Foxboro when he was all world. Coaching does count.

 

[Rob0729]

Not a development issue. It is people overvaluing raw talent and not looking at football intelligence enough. The only reason why Wilson, Fields, and Lance were drafted so high was because of their amazing physical gifts. All were considered boom or bust prospects because none of them have shown that they can read defenses or make smart decisions on the fly.

Personally, I think it is easier to either surround a smart but not as physically gifted QB with a lot of talent (see Tua) or get him to improve his physical skills (see Brady) than to teach a physical freak with no football smarts how to read defenses, make fast and smart decisions, etc. A lot of that stuff really cannot be taught. Either you can process the information quickly and accurately or you cannot.

 

[Rob0729]

I think Adams may be starting to try to shoot his way out of town. I doubt that Belichick would ever trade for him and take on his salary, but you add him to the Patriots and their offense gets infinitely better.

 

[Love The Drake]

I think Adams may be starting to try to shoot his way out of town. I doubt that Belichick would ever trade for him and take on his salary, but you add him to the Patriots and their offense gets infinitely better.

Raiders would never trade him to us but I like that he’s crying over win losses vs gaudy stats.
My guess he gets traded to the Lions or Colts.

 

[upstater1]

Not a development issue. It is people overvaluing raw talent and not looking at football intelligence enough. The only reason why Wilson, Fields, and Lance were drafted so high was because of their amazing physical gifts. All were considered boom or bust prospects because none of them have shown that they can read defenses or make smart decisions on the fly.

Personally, I think it is easier to either surround a smart but not as physically gifted QB with a lot of talent (see Tua) or get him to improve his physical skills (see Brady) than to teach a physical freak with no football smarts how to read defenses, make fast and smart decisions, etc. A lot of that stuff really cannot be taught. Either you can process the information quickly and accurately or you cannot.

This is a difficult evaluation to make when we're talking about Fields. He played at Ohio State where he played most of the game as a pure dropback passer charged with reading defenses and making tight difficult throws.

Wilson and Lance came from places where that level of awareness was not necessary because of the lack of competition.

 

[Rob0729]

This is a difficult evaluation to make when we're talking about Fields. He played at Ohio State where he played most of the game as a pure dropback passer charged with reading defenses and making tight difficult throws.

Wilson and Lance came from places where that level of awareness was not necessary because of the lack of competition.

Looking at the scouting reports on Fields that I saw had one of his weaknesses that he was never asked to make quick reads and go through his progressions and would hold onto the ball until the receivers made adjustments. Also, he had horrible pocket awareness and had a tendency to take off the second he saw pressure. Those are the mental aspects of the game that may not be able to be taught.

 

[turkeyneck]

Not a development issue. It is people overvaluing raw talent and not looking at football intelligence enough. The only reason why Wilson, Fields, and Lance were drafted so high was because of their amazing physical gifts. All were considered boom or bust prospects because none of them have shown that they can read defenses or make smart decisions on the fly.

Personally, I think it is easier to either surround a smart but not as physically gifted QB with a lot of talent (see Tua) or get him to improve his physical skills (see Brady) than to teach a physical freak with no football smarts how to read defenses, make fast and smart decisions, etc. A lot of that stuff really cannot be taught. Either you can process the information quickly and accurately or you cannot.

These kind of guys that feast on broken play, sandlot style football only feast because of their relatively superior physical talents in HS and college. Once in the NFL that margin is much reduced and they're thrown back onto needing skills they never developed. They get exposed.

 

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