NFL.com ranking of backup QBs: Mallett #11, Tebow #17

[Brady6]

You don't have to tell me about Stafford, I've watched him since he was back at UGA (my 2nd favorite college team behind UK)

My point was, when looking at most other QBs including Stafford, you don't penalize them for throwing to their #1 WR. CC wants to do just that. Denver's other primary receiver was Eric Decker, and he got injured fairly early in the game. When you team has 2 primary receivers and one of them gets injured, it's completely logical that the QB would end up throwing the ball to the one that remains.

But no, CC tries to make the case that much of Tebow's accomplishments in that game apparently don't count, because they were throws to DThomas.


EDIT: Believe it or not, I'd also love to see what kind of stats Tebow would have throwing that often mainly from the Shotgun.

Actually Stanford had a better completion percentage to players other than Johnson. I think Stanford would benefit from having an option on the field that teams actually had to defend other than Johnson, don't get me wrong it's a huge advantage having Johnson but last season he was being cover by 3 defenders a lot of times. He had amazing results but he it likely drove down Stanford's completion percentage throwing into double and triple coverage.

 

[fnordcircle]

That's silly. A head coach scared of winning.

Raymond Berry and Doug Flutie.

 

[Joker]

I had press credentials when Brady was a rookie. I sat in the press tent and WATCHED up close the entire camp. I published daily reports in the War Zone. I watched Bledsoe during camp every single day.

I have no idea what this drunk from Kentucky is blathering about on this thread. I read the Brady 6. No where in it did I get any sense that Belichick wanted to EVER start Brady over Bledsoe to start the season.

Every Patriots fan...and let me emphasize this for the Tetrolls....

PATRIOT FAN...

knows or should know about Mo Lewis and the hit that changed the course of Patriot history.

Bledsoe to Brady: The hit that changed history - NFL Videos

just six months earlier Drew had signed a TEN YEAR, ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.

Someone PLEASE limit this obviously trolling "Tebow fan" to read only status until he stops lying and trying to confuse our younger fanbase with his garbage.

 

[Brady6]

Raymond Berry and Doug Flutie.

Doug Flutie was 6-3 when Berry made that decision. Tebow had done nothing close to that as a member of the jets. He had 39 pass yards year to date. In addition Flutie replaced Grogan because of injury, upon his recovery Berry decided to put him back in his starting role. It wasn't a great decision but it is a very common decision by NFL coaches not to have injuries be cause for losing your starting position, especially in the older years.

To say that's a reach in comparison is an understatement.


So this Flutie comparison came from this article;

http://large-regular.blogspot.com/2011/10/tebow-and-flutie-you-had-older-coach.html?m=1

And all the Steve Young comparisons come from this article;

http://www.universalhub.com/2013/nfl-tim-tebow-next-steve-young

It's funny how articles offering this comparison don't get tossed around by Tebow lovers anymore;

http://fantasyfootballjunkie.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/tim-tebow-john-elway-a-comparison/

You should sit down and watch some game tape of these guys, you'd see that they're totally different players from Tebow. None off them were run first QB's, Tebow basically has the playing style of a pre-prison Michael Vick, and one third of the talent of a post-prison Michael Vick.

 

[Demosthenes]

I had press credentials when Brady was a rookie. I sat in the press tent and WATCHED up close the entire camp. I published daily reports in the War Zone. I watched Bledsoe during camp every single day.

I have no idea what this drunk from Kentucky is blathering about on this thread. I read the Brady 6. No where in it did I get any sense that Belichick wanted to EVER start Brady over Bledsoe to start the season.

Every Patriots fan...and let me emphasize this for the Tetrolls....

PATRIOT FAN...

knows or should know about Mo Lewis and the hit that changed the course of Patriot history.

Bledsoe to Brady: The hit that changed history - NFL Videos

just six months earlier Drew had signed a TEN YEAR, ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.

Someone PLEASE limit this obviously trolling "Tebow fan" to read only status until he stops lying and trying to confuse our younger fanbase with his garbage.

Cool story Yo. Now, tell us, did you have press credentials, sit in the press tent and watch up close during Brady's SECOND PRESEASON, which is the one that Belichick was talking about ????


Hell, there's a freaking blog article here at Patsfans that talks about it.

The Rise Of Tom Brady Through My Eyes ats Confidential

The Rise Of Tom Brady Through My Eyes

Written by Russell Goldman
Posted April 13, 2011 at 11:55 am



His first season with the team I only saw him during the pre-season, and in mop up duty on Thanksgiving against the Lions which the Patriots lost. At this point there was nothing I saw that told me he would be a future Hall of Famer.

That all changed the next pre-season. I started reading in the papers that the coaching staff were incredibly impressed with Brady’s development, and that he could be a player to watch. I still had my doubts, but it was very noticeable from the first pre-season game that he made a huge leap. In fact, that pre-season he was hands down the best quarterback. Drew Bledsoe had a horrible pre-season.


It was obvious to me that Brady had grasped Charlie Weis’s system much better than Bledsoe. Brady was making all the right decisions while Bledsoe looked uncomfortable in the offense. I actually thought Brady should have started when the season began.


It is not accurate to say that Brady wouldn’t have gotten his shot if it wasn’t for the hit on Bledsoe by Mo Lewis. I thought it was just a matter of time. Based on the documentary “The Brady 6?, the major obstacle for Brady according to Bill Belichick starting the season as the number 1 quarterback was his lack of experience. Here is a quote below from Belichick courtesy of the documentary “The Brady 6? which aired on ESPN.

“By the end of training camp, Tom beat out Damon, and really had a better pre-season than Drew did,” said Belichick. “What held us back from making that decision was just Tom’s experience.”​

 

[Joker]

Cool story Yo. Now, tell us, did you have press credentials, sit in the press tent and watch up close during Brady's SECOND PRESEASON, which is the one that Belichick was talking about ????

I thought I made that abundantly clear...perhaps your sub-mongoloidal level of comprehension precludes you from any minute abilty to grasp this. There are many, many long time members of this board and even longer time Patriots fans, of which YOU are neither, that remember Bryant, and remember the press tent. ..and yes I still have the five years of press credentials framed on my wall along with other Patriots memorabilia going back to the sixties.

You are a TROLL. An open liar.You insinuate yourself into any thread that hints at a breath of Tebow. I believe it's an obsession.You OPENLY ADMIT you are NOT a Patriots fan nor will you ever be one. Why then do you persist in your rampant attacks on other Patriot fans here, Patriot fans who admittedly are still young but Patriot fans who feel the same allegiance to the Patriots team that an old dog like I do? It's open trolling. You don't deserve to be associated with any Patriots fan here.

It is not accurate to say that Brady wouldn’t have gotten his shot if it wasn’t for the hit on Bledsoe by Mo Lewis.

Ridiculous. Russ is a Patriots fan. He writes a blog. Who doesn't today?That is his HINDSIGHT opinion...YOU are a complete tool.

There were ZERO people ANYWHERE in New England that season who thought Brady should start over Bledsoe.It is YOU and your maniac Tebow agenda that constantly twists and distorts every single thing you can possibly dig up in Patriots history to buttress your Tebow comparison. We are Patriot fans here. YOU are a pathologically driven troll. The fact that you persist and continue to lie about your agenda is PROOF enough.

 

[belichick010405]

I thought I made that abundantly clear...perhaps your sub-mongoloidal level of comprehension precludes you from any minute abilty to grasp this. There are many, many long time members of this board and even longer time Patriots fans, of which YOU are neither, that remember Bryant, and remember the press tent. ..and yes I still have the five years of press credentials framed on my wall along with other Patriots memorabilia going back to the sixties.

You are a TROLL. An open liar.You insinuate yourself into any thread that hints at a breath of Tebow. I believe it's an obsession.You OPENLY ADMIT you are NOT a Patriots fan nor will you ever be one. Why then do you persist in your rampant attacks on other Patriot fans here, Patriot fans who admittedly are still young but Patriot fans who feel the same allegiance to the Patriots team that an old dog like I do? It's open trolling. You don't deserve to be associated with any Patriots fan here.

It is not accurate to say that Brady wouldn’t have gotten his shot if it wasn’t for the hit on Bledsoe by Mo Lewis.

Ridiculous. Russ is a Patriots fan. He writes a blog. Who doesn't today?That is his HINDSIGHT opinion...YOU are a complete tool.

There were ZERO people ANYWHERE in New England that season who thought Brady should start over Bledsoe.It is YOU and your maniac Tebow agenda that constantly twists and distorts every single thing you can possibly dig up in Patriots history to buttress your Tebow comparison. We are Patriot fans here. YOU are a pathologically driven troll. The fact that you persist and continue to lie about your agenda is PROOF enough.

It would be greatly appreciated that the mods do something about the Tebow trolls because if the regular posters can see that these guys are trolls based on not talking about anything else other than Tim Tebow and not the entirety of the team and other discussions that this website should be having, then something is wrong.

Tebow is one member of the 90-man roster. He is likely going to be a roster bubble candidate. In my view, Tebow is not making this roster and there is no way that Mallett is giving up his backup role. Why we have to continue belabor a point that frankly have been proven time and again is beyond me because of a group of people that simply don't get it.

It would be greatly appreciated that the Tebow trolls are sent to the wasteside.

 

[fnordcircle]

Doug Flutie was 6-3 when Berry made that decision. Tebow had done nothing close to that as a member of the jets. He had 39 pass yards year to date. In addition Flutie replaced Grogan because of injury, upon his recovery Berry decided to put him back in his starting role. It wasn't a great decision but it is a very common decision by NFL coaches not to have injuries be cause for losing your starting position, especially in the older years.

To say that's a reach in comparison is an understatement.

I'm not comparing Flutie to Tebow, I'm saying that your statement to the effect that a Head Coach will always play the QB who gives them the best chance to win is demonstrably wrong.

Your take on why Flutie lost his starting position is your own, but even though I was young back then I watched the games avidly and Berry didn't like Flutie and didn't like the way he was winning games. He went with the "you can't lose your starting job due to injury" platitude because it served his greater interest, which was not playing Flutie despite Flutie's huge support in the region.

Beyond that, coaches sometimes just make the wrong call and are too proud or too vain to see it and reverse course. I think Rex Ryan fits that description to a tee and I'd be shocked if most of us would want Tim Tebow starting over Greg ******* McElroy, hence I think there was more to it than just the convenient 'McElroy beat out Tebow in camp' BS that is being spouted in this thread despite the fact that Tebow was their clear #2 until it came time for Rex's Tattoo boy to ride the pine.

 

[Brady6]

It would be greatly appreciated that the mods do something about the Tebow trolls because if the regular posters can see that these guys are trolls based on not talking about anything else other than Tim Tebow and not the entirety of the team and other discussions that this website should be having, then something is wrong.

Tebow is one member of the 90-man roster. He is likely going to be a roster bubble candidate. In my view, Tebow is not making this roster and there is no way that Mallett is giving up his backup role. Why we have to continue belabor a point that frankly have been proven time and again is beyond me because of a group of people that simply don't get it.

It would be greatly appreciated that the Tebow trolls are sent to the wasteside.

I have dashavoo of the Tebow, Blount, Edelman thread when I come in this one.

 

[sly24]

Wow, people over there really must be out of ideas to produce a list about the backup QBs hahaha.

 

[belichick010405]

I have dashavoo of the Tebow, Blount, Edelman thread when I come in this one.

It is ridiculous that this is going on. And unfortunately, we have had to put up with it. And of course, no one is talking about Ryan Mallett, you know the other person discussed of Patriots interest in the subject title.

 

[Brady6]

I'm not comparing Flutie to Tebow, I'm saying that your statement to the effect that a Head Coach will always play the QB who gives them the best chance to win is demonstrably wrong.

Your take on why Flutie lost his starting position is your own, but even though I was young back then I watched the games avidly and Berry didn't like Flutie and didn't like the way he was winning games. He went with the "you can't lose your starting job due to injury" platitude because it served his greater interest, which was not playing Flutie despite Flutie's huge support in the region.

Beyond that, coaches sometimes just make the wrong call and are too proud or too vain to see it and reverse course. I think Rex Ryan fits that description to a tee and I'd be shocked if most of us would want Tim Tebow starting over Greg ******* McElroy, hence I think there was more to it than just the convenient 'McElroy beat out Tebow in camp' BS that is being spouted in this thread despite the fact that Tebow was their clear #2 until it came time for Rex's Tattoo boy to ride the pine.

Who cares really? It's water under the bridge. What is posting about it all day everyday going to change?

I'm not Christian but isn't that accepting the things we cannot change a mantra of the religion? Maybe it would be worth it to give it a shot.

Tebow/Jets = 2012

It's 2013 tell me why as patriots fan I would want Tebow on the 53 man roster? Right now I would prefer to keep Brady with Mallett as his backup and use the roster spot someplace else. Maybe you can change my mind?

 

[Brady6]

It is ridiculous that this is going on. And unfortunately, we have had to put up with it. And of course, no one is talking about Ryan Mallett, you know the other person discussed of Patriots interest in the subject title.

Seriously; if Denver and New York treated Tebow bad then Mallett has a real bone to pick with his treatment here. Poor guys only gotten to throw 4 passes in 2 years.

 

[belichick010405]

Seriously; if Denver and New York treated Tebow bad then Mallett has a real bone to pick with his treatment here. Poor guys only gotten to throw 4 passes in 2 years.

I am going to say this about Ryan Mallett. I hope and I am extremely confident that he is going to destroy his competition as the backup quarterback camp continues.

Tebow couldn't shine a light on Mallett as a passing quarterback.

As soon as Mallett can demonstrate his ability to handle the fine nuances of the McDaniels offense because he certainly has better velocity than any quarterback on this roster, then I hope that the Patriots continue to groom him unless they are primed to pick up a quarterback in the next two drafts (i.e. Bridgewater or Hundley).

And I will say this, if the Patriots for some reason do not keep Mallett and someone like Bridgewater, Hundley or even someone like McCarron are not in the Patriots organization and we have to deal with Tebow, then I know I will be the first one calling for Belicheck and McDaniels ouster with immediate effect.

 

[manxman2601]

I have dashavoo of the Tebow, Blount, Edelman thread when I come in this one.

Don't come in then. And fwiw, it's déjà vu.

 

[Brady6]

I am going to say this about Ryan Mallett. I hope and I am extremely confident that he is going to destroy his competition as the backup quarterback camp continues.

Tebow couldn't shine a light on Mallett as a passing quarterback.

As soon as Mallett can demonstrate his ability to handle the fine nuances of the McDaniels offense because he certainly has better velocity than any quarterback on this roster, then I hope that the Patriots continue to groom him unless they are primed to pick up a quarterback in the next two drafts (i.e. Bridgewater or Hundley).

And I will say this, if the Patriots for some reason do not keep Mallett and someone like Bridgewater, Hundley or even someone like McCarron are not in the Patriots organization and we have to deal with Tebow, then I know I will be the first one calling for Belicheck and McDaniels ouster with immediate effect.

I think highly of RM also, I do not see him as our QB of the future solely based on age. If Brady plays out his contract that would mean we'd be handing things over to a 30-31 year old RM. I think that window is just to short before needing to have another QB in place. I think SF ran into that problem with Young and it took them years to recover.

My hope is that RM has a great camp and preseason so we can trade him for a 2nd in 14's draft, trade that pick for a 1st in 15's draft and use that to draft a top QB prospect that can play behind Brady for 2 seasons and take over between age 23-25 and give us 12-15 years of elite QB play.

 

[belichick010405]

Don't come in then. And fwiw, it's déjà vu.

I'm sorry but who the **** are you?

 

[manxman2601]

I am going to say this about Ryan Mallett. I hope and I am extremely confident that he is going to destroy his competition as the backup quarterback camp continues.

Tebow couldn't shine a light on Mallett as a passing quarterback.

As soon as Mallett can demonstrate his ability to handle the fine nuances of the McDaniels offense because he certainly has better velocity than any quarterback on this roster, then I hope that the Patriots continue to groom him unless they are primed to pick up a quarterback in the next two drafts (i.e. Bridgewater or Hundley).

And I will say this, if the Patriots for some reason do not keep Mallett and someone like Bridgewater, Hundley or even someone like McCarron are not in the Patriots organization and we have to deal with Tebow, then I know I will be the first one calling for Belicheck and McDaniels ouster with immediate effect.

If Bridgewater is a Pat next year, it'll mean that we've had a really good look at at least one of our backups because we'd have been without Brady for the year. That kid is going top 3 at worst if he declares.

 

[Demosthenes]

Lot's to choose from, where to even start?? Heck, I'll just go one by one.

I thought I made that abundantly clear...perhaps your sub-mongoloidal level of comprehension precludes you from any minute abilty to grasp this. There are many, many long time members of this board and even longer time Patriots fans, of which YOU are neither, that remember Bryant, and remember the press tent. ..and yes I still have the five years of press credentials framed on my wall along with other Patriots memorabilia going back to the sixties.

Yawn. None of that has anything to do with what was being discussed.

You are a TROLL. An open liar.You insinuate yourself into any thread that hints at a breath of Tebow. I believe it's an obsession.You OPENLY ADMIT you are NOT a Patriots fan nor will you ever be one. Why then do you persist in your rampant attacks on other Patriot fans here, Patriot fans who admittedly are still young but Patriot fans who feel the same allegiance to the Patriots team that an old dog like I do? It's open trolling. You don't deserve to be associated with any Patriots fan here.

Wow, someone on a message board goes into threads that are of interest to him. SHOCKING.

BTW, you are either mistaken or lying when you say that I openly admit to not being a Pats fan nor will I ever become one. You can't find a single post from me saying anything that remotely backs up your claim. I challenge you to do it Joker. Yet again, I'm calling you out.

It is not accurate to say that Brady wouldn’t have gotten his shot if it wasn’t for the hit on Bledsoe by Mo Lewis.

Cool thing again Yo. Guess it's a good thing that I NEVER MADE SUCH A CLAIM, HUH ??????????

DUH.

Ridiculous. Russ is a Patriots fan. He writes a blog. Who doesn't today?That is his HINDSIGHT opinion...YOU are a complete tool.

Good lord, you have seriously lost the plot. Is it a reading comprehension problem or something ?? More on this below....

There were ZERO people ANYWHERE in New England that season who thought Brady should start over Bledsoe.It is YOU and your maniac Tebow agenda that constantly twists and distorts every single thing you can possibly dig up in Patriots history to buttress your Tebow comparison. We are Patriot fans here. YOU are a pathologically driven troll. The fact that you persist and continue to lie about your agenda is PROOF enough.

I take it that Russ isn't from New England then ? I mean, in the piece that he wrote he said this: I actually thought Brady should have started when the season began.


Those are his words, not mine.



Now, back to you losing the plot. Try and follow along Joker. I'll type slowly and use small words.


Concerned Citizen made the following statement:

He had his opportunities and support. He would have gotten a lot more game time to show YOU the goods had he been able to actually beat some of the scrubs ahead of him in camp rather than chucking balls into the dirt.

Translation, if he played better than other QBs in camp, then he would have been the starter.

I countered by pointing out that Tom Brady did in fact play better than Bledsoe in camp/preseason, yet Bill Belichick still opted to start Bledsoe.

That alone rebut's CCs statement as it's prima facie evidence that coaches take other things into consideration and don't make the decisions simply based off of who played better.


YOU then jumped in hollering about how you were there the preseason of Brady's rookie year and that I was wrong.

I replied basically saying "No duh Sherlock, the reference was to his SECOND year in training camp".

Now, instead of taking your lumps and simply saying "Doh, my bad. I goofed. yeah, Bill said that", you decided once again to double down on stupid and are rebutting points that I didn't even make (about it not being accurate to say Brady wouldn't have gotten a start....) and also claiming that ZERO people in New England thought that Brady should have started as Russ Goldman's statement proves you to be wrong there as well.

 

[Joker]

Mallett made a jump last season from his first season as a Patriot, as far as his grasp of the offense is concerned. That was easily seen and reported on. At this point I sure as hell would rather have Mallett come in to take Brady's spot than I would Matt Cassel.

A bunch of us had a cookout this weekend and sat around later watching all the highlights of the minicamp...Tebow looks great. Quick, strong, he sure is a football player's football player. I'm guessing we saw at least a dozen clips of him throwing and his footwork is excellent, his arm motion off the drop and set is reasonably compact and the release looks quick enough. The drop and roll out-throw though still has that wind up hitch to it. I doubt that matters as far as getting the passes off but I have to SEE how accurate he is in these sets, as I've never seen much of Brady doing these passing reps.

IF Tebow is going to be on this roster, I firmly believe Bill will have him in an offensive set that maxes HIS skill. It sure will be interesting the first week of camp to see just how much time the Pats put into this. I don't think Bill just brought Tebow in on some whim. I believe they have a well thought out plan for him. We'll all find out soon enough.