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Nineteen days from now, members of this forum (excluding Colts,

Dolphins, and Jets fans) will either have a monstrous case of heartburn

or will feel relieved like passing a large kidney stone.
 
Mechanics are scumbags as well. But when you need one, you need one.


Ahhh ... that's why hookers have a bad name.
When you need one you need one ... Lawyers, mechanics & hookers all good at shafting.
 
Nineteen days from now, members of this forum (excluding Colts,

Dolphins, and Jets fans) will either have a monstrous case of heartburn

or will feel relieved like passing a large kidney stone.


Personally ... IMO ... I'm not worried at all. The way I see it ... if he had something that was too good to pass up he would have and could have gone tabloid with it and cashed in. He couldn't because he didn't have anything. His best attempt was to exploit something out of nothing ... it's the nature of being a thief and the internet has already shown he's a thief.

also ...if he had something so great then he would have made a deal before the draft to get maximum compensation ... didn't do that either.
 
ENEMY #1
MATT WALSH
 
Does Goodell have advance info on Walsh evidence? Why wouldn't he just state that he reserves comment on the subject until 5/13 meeting?


Depending on Walsh evidence, Goodell ready to crack down on Pats
Associated Press

Updated: April 24, 2008, 4:18 PM ET
NEW YORK -- Roger Goodell is fully prepared to crack down again on the New England Patriots if his meeting with Matt Walsh uncovers a tape made of the St. Louis Rams' final walkthrough practice before the 2002 Super Bowl.

Roger Goodell on ESPN Radio On the Mike & Mike Show, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell discusses his upcoming meeting with Matt Walsh and says he will reopen Spygate and hand out more punishment to the Pats, if necessary. Listen "Taping a walkthrough is much different from what I punished them for," the NFL commissioner said Thursday at a meeting of a group representing the Associated Press Sports Editors.

After more than two months of negotiations, lawyers for the league and Walsh, the former New England employee, finally reached agreement Wednesday on terms that will allow him to talk Goodell. They include an agreement by the Patriots not to sue Walsh and to pay his legal expenses and his airfare to New York from Hawaii, where he is now a golf pro.

Walsh's name first surfaced just before the Super Bowl, in which the Patriots were upset by the New York Giants after finishing the regular season 16-0 and winning two playoff games. Among the allegations was that the Patriots illegally taped the Rams' final walkthrough before that title game, when New England, a two-touchdown underdog, upset St. Louis 20-17.

Five months before their loss to the Giants, New England coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team $250,000 for taping the New York Jets' defensive signals during the season opener. The Patriots also lost their first-round pick in this weekend's draft.

Goodell said Thursday he has no idea what Walsh, who spent six years as a New England employee, has to offer than what the league already knows: Belichick had been taping defensive signals since first becoming Patriots coach in 2000. He noted, however, that the league, which destroyed the tapes from the Jets game after reviewing them, had spoken to 50 people in connection with the case and that Walsh was the only one who asked for legal protection.


Patriots statement on Walsh

The Patriots' response to the NFL's agreement to meet with former New England employee Matt Walsh. Read

Belichick has emphatically denied taping the walkthrough.

"I have never taped a practice, certainly not that one," New England's coach has said repeatedly.

Goodell said his mind is open on the subject.

On other matters, Goodell said:

• He gave no guarantees to owner Jerry Jones or anyone from the Dallas Cowboys that he will reinstate Adam "Pacman" Jones, who the Cowboys obtained in a trade with Tennessee on Wednesday. He expects to meet in June with Pacman Jones, who was suspended all of last season for multiple violations of the league's code of behavior.

• He met this week with his players council and discussed the proposal that would require players' hair that reaches below their name tag being tucked under the helmet.

"It would have to be done in a way that would respect the uniform code and also respect players' rights," he said.

• The NFL is considering moving the draft from New York to other cities. Its contract with Radio City Music Hall, where it will be held this weekend, is in its last year.

• He welcomes the plan by developer Edward P. Roski Jr. to build a 75,000-seat stadium in Los Angeles to help lure back the NFL, which hasn't had a team there since 1994. He noted, however, the league has no plans to expand and no current franchise seems in enough trouble to seek relocation.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
 
Does Goodell have advance info on Walsh evidence? Why wouldn't he just state that he reserves comment on the subject until 5/13 meeting?


Depending on Walsh evidence, Goodell ready to crack down on Pats
Associated Press

Updated: April 24, 2008, 4:18 PM ET
NEW YORK -- Roger Goodell is fully prepared to crack down again on the New England Patriots if his meeting with Matt Walsh uncovers a tape made of the St. Louis Rams' final walkthrough practice before the 2002 Super Bowl.

Roger Goodell on ESPN Radio On the Mike & Mike Show, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell discusses his upcoming meeting with Matt Walsh and says he will reopen Spygate and hand out more punishment to the Pats, if necessary. Listen "Taping a walkthrough is much different from what I punished them for," the NFL commissioner said Thursday at a meeting of a group representing the Associated Press Sports Editors.

After more than two months of negotiations, lawyers for the league and Walsh, the former New England employee, finally reached agreement Wednesday on terms that will allow him to talk Goodell. They include an agreement by the Patriots not to sue Walsh and to pay his legal expenses and his airfare to New York from Hawaii, where he is now a golf pro.

Walsh's name first surfaced just before the Super Bowl, in which the Patriots were upset by the New York Giants after finishing the regular season 16-0 and winning two playoff games. Among the allegations was that the Patriots illegally taped the Rams' final walkthrough before that title game, when New England, a two-touchdown underdog, upset St. Louis 20-17.

Five months before their loss to the Giants, New England coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team $250,000 for taping the New York Jets' defensive signals during the season opener. The Patriots also lost their first-round pick in this weekend's draft.

Goodell said Thursday he has no idea what Walsh, who spent six years as a New England employee, has to offer than what the league already knows: Belichick had been taping defensive signals since first becoming Patriots coach in 2000. He noted, however, that the league, which destroyed the tapes from the Jets game after reviewing them, had spoken to 50 people in connection with the case and that Walsh was the only one who asked for legal protection.


Patriots statement on Walsh

The Patriots' response to the NFL's agreement to meet with former New England employee Matt Walsh. Read

Belichick has emphatically denied taping the walkthrough.

"I have never taped a practice, certainly not that one," New England's coach has said repeatedly.

Goodell said his mind is open on the subject.

On other matters, Goodell said:

• He gave no guarantees to owner Jerry Jones or anyone from the Dallas Cowboys that he will reinstate Adam "Pacman" Jones, who the Cowboys obtained in a trade with Tennessee on Wednesday. He expects to meet in June with Pacman Jones, who was suspended all of last season for multiple violations of the league's code of behavior.

• He met this week with his players council and discussed the proposal that would require players' hair that reaches below their name tag being tucked under the helmet.

"It would have to be done in a way that would respect the uniform code and also respect players' rights," he said.

• The NFL is considering moving the draft from New York to other cities. Its contract with Radio City Music Hall, where it will be held this weekend, is in its last year.

• He welcomes the plan by developer Edward P. Roski Jr. to build a 75,000-seat stadium in Los Angeles to help lure back the NFL, which hasn't had a team there since 1994. He noted, however, the league has no plans to expand and no current franchise seems in enough trouble to seek relocation.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press


I just saw this on Yahoo! too and threw up in my mouth. There's very little doubt now that the plan is for Goodell to demolish the team of the decade. This article is just the start of the dismantling. By this time next week you watch the news will have leaked that Goodell has been made aware that a tape of the walkthrough will be presented by Walsh and he has already made his decision that if such a tape is presented Bill will be suspended for the year with possible additional sanctions to come. Disgusting
 
I just saw this on Yahoo! too and threw up in my mouth. There's very little doubt now that the plan is for Goodell to demolish the team of the decade. This article is just the start of the dismantling. By this time next week you watch the news will have leaked that Goodell has been made aware that a tape of the walkthrough will be presented by Walsh and he has already made his decision that if such a tape is presented Bill will be suspended for the year with possible additional sanctions to come. Disgusting

Or, he already knows Walsh has nothing and is just saying this to look tough to the rest of the League, like "well, I would have punished them if he had something." Who knows?
 
Or, he already knows Walsh has nothing and is just saying this to look tough to the rest of the League, like "well, I would have punished them if he had something." Who knows?

I guess that's possible I just doub it. The way it is titled leaves the impression that this is just the initial article intended to set the tone for things to come unfortunately. Goodell even if he were a fair man which I don't believe for a second, can't even try to make some kind of on the fence ruling if a tape is provided. If he even tries to say that he can't dole out more punishment because he can't prove Bill knew about it he will be crucified by the media.

I was once hopeful that even if Falsh presents a walkthrough we could escape by claiming it was unauthorized but now I concede that is naive. If there's a tape that's the end for Bill.
 
There are only a few things that I would walk away from following the NFL

A Strike usually hurts, but I bounce back...

But if there is some thing that makes Belichick resign , suspend, or any other idiotic thing over this nonsense, I may be done with football...


With that being said, the whole situation will be over with , except for the boobs at ESPN will keep it alive...
 
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I guess that's possible I just doub it. The way it is titled leaves the impression that this is just the initial article intended to set the tone for things to come unfortunately. Goodell even if he were a fair man which I don't believe for a second, can't even try to make some kind of on the fence ruling if a tape is provided. If he even tries to say that he can't dole out more punishment because he can't prove Bill knew about it he will be crucified by the media.

I was once hopeful that even if Falsh presents a walkthrough we could escape by claiming it was unauthorized but now I concede that is naive. If there's a tape that's the end for Bill.

To me, that's always been a given, but I'm not a Pats fan. Anything less and Goodell will be crucified--it will be his job or Belichick's. I think he may still lose his in such a case because it will emphasize his shameful and incompetent handling of things in the fall when he didn't even bother to look this guy (you know, who worked in the video dept., hello???) up and then just destroyed the evidence he did have.

Take heart, however, in that no one knows for sure what Walsh has or doesn't have yet, but it looks like we might get to find out at least.
 
Goodell only destroyed the tapes made after 2003 and not the tapes made before 2003 because he was legally blocked from destroying them.

Why would that be?
 
Jetdell only has ONE agenda...the demolition of the flagship franchise in the AFC East and the rise to prominence, by any and all means possible, legal or illegal, of his life long passionate interest his FORMER EMPLOYER, the New York Rats (aka Jets).
 
I think Goodell is posturing here....
 
The news I received the other week was a bit strange in what I was told and the timing of it. I had a source who used to give me great Patriots news. I lost touch with him this past year because I have been way too busy with work.

Anyways ... he calls me to tell me that the Walsh story was going to be in the news again. He tells me that Goodell only destroyed the tapes made after 2003 and not the tapes made before 2003 because he was legally blocked from destroying them.

So I ask him if he is sure of this and he says he's not 100% sure but is pretty sure to say it. I remind him that Goodell says he destroyed all tapes and notes. So my friend says yeah ... how many did Goodell say he destroyed? I replied I think like 6 or something ... I wasn't quite sure but that 6 seemed like how many I read somewhere. So my friend says don't you think that's a rather small number and I replied yeah ... seemed small but DVD's hold alot of info...perhaps they were DVD's and not tapes I said.

So anyways ... he says Specter knows they were not all destroyed and some others know this but nobody can say anything because it's all speculation and the legal maneuver was done secretly by Walsh's people. I asked if it was Estrella who blocked it and he said he did npt think so ... pretty sure it was Walsh. that's why I posted to ask if Estrella still worked for the Patriots.

So ... there's more he told me but I don't want to get bogged down with that in this thread. If what my friend says is true then this Walsh stuff is all window dressing so that Goodell can destroy the rest of the tapes. Walsh wants $$$ or he won't allow them to be destroyed. I'm no legal expert but it was explained to me that with the indemnification Walsh no longer has to fear retribution ... not that he ever did mind you.

But he used the excuse that someone could sue him or call him to testify so he legally bound the tapes to be held from disposal. Walsh wants $$$ to release the pre 2003 tapes and Goodell wants the tapes gone because they are a nuisance to the league and he has to cover his butt because he said he destroyed them all.

Goodell does have an out here I am told because he can say he had to say he destroyed them all because legally he could not say anything different from that anyways ... legal speak :blahblah: crap.

That's what i wanted to post the other day but because I didn't have all of the story I decided I made a mistake asking about Estrella. I still don't have the entire story ...perhaps not even the correct story. So now that Walsh is in the news I'm telling what I know because I don't need the entire story anyways ... nothing new on those tapes is what I'm told. But, it's a story from someone who was great at news before so I mostly believe him.


This is the most nonsensical thing I've ever read. Walsh didn't even have a lawyer until after the Superbowl. The NFL never had any contact with him until after the story of the walkthrough tape broke on Superbowl Saturday. There were only 6 tapes because the team recycled the tapes once they were through making notes on a game. The taped signals still in existence (not yet taped over) only included games from the 2006 season. Those were turned over to the league. There were no tapes to turn over prior to 2006 since they had been discarded or taped over. Notes existed on all tapes dating back to 2000. Those were turned over and also destroyed because according to the commissioner there was no way to prove how those notes were compiled so as part of the penalty they were presumed to have been generated based on earlier taped signals. The destruction took place at Gillette. League investigators did the destruction. Walsh had no standing since the tapes were property of the NEP regardless of when they were made. Not to mention no one knew the commissioner was going to destroy them until after he did...
 
Why would the Patriots agree to do this:

In return, the NFL and the Patriots have promised not to sue Mr. Walsh. They also will indemnify him for any expenses, including legal fees that he incurs in connection with the interview.

If they were not "obligated to give" these privileges, why would they? (I haven't read the rest of this thread, so apologies if it has been written before.)
 
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I think Goodell is posturing here....

He's not terribly adept at managing his media, but I think this is his way of establishing that if the Patriots don't get punished further it's because Walsh had nothing of substance - or else he would have revisited the penalty. And he just wants to make it clear that he is not predisposed to sweeping anything under the rug. He is just such a marble mouth, especially when speaking to media, that people find it easy to create alternate spins than what he intended from most anything he attempts to say...
 
..I was once hopeful that even if Falsh presents a walkthrough we could escape by claiming it was unauthorized but now I concede that is naive. If there's a tape that's the end for Bill.



I disagree. It's possible an unathorized taping, by a NE Patriots employee does exist. If that fact can be verified, we move on. However, if there there exists a tape, or other similar addtl. infractions, that were undertaken on the word of BB etc., then thats when addtl penalties will rack up. If Walsh's potential info proves damaging, correct and centered on 2002 allegations (not on Goodell's watch), IMO it will not be an end game penalty to BB.
 
thanks Eric Mangini, you jealous ratfink loser.
 
He's not terribly adept at managing his media, but I think this is his way of establishing that if the Patriots don't get punished further it's because Walsh had nothing of substance - or else he would have revisited the penalty. And he just wants to make it clear that he is not predisposed to sweeping anything under the rug. He is just such a marble mouth, especially when speaking to media, that people find it easy to create alternate spins than what he intended from most anything he attempts to say...

Could he possibly be related to Boston's Mayor Menino?
 
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