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amfootball

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It already has. Watson has been chirping, Rodgers has been complaining, now Wilson. Everyone wants the set up that Brady got in Tampa. He was basically the de facto GM and HC.
 

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It's amazing how much disruption Brady's success and longevity has impacted other NFL teams and the league as whole.

I've never seen anything like it.
Maybe it'll help send a QB our way. I'd be perfectly willing to give Wilson a chance. He'd look better with the protection he'd get here and a few tweaks on offense.
 

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Brady's Championship Might Have a League-Wide Effect on Frustrated QBs
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Might? 100% does. These prima donas need to understand that this ain't the NBA, and you have to have the cap space, and a team that is 1-2 players away already. Tampa needed a QB. the rest was in place.
 

amfootball

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Might? 100% does. These prima donas need to understand that this ain't the NBA, and you have to have the cap space, and a team that is 1-2 players away already. Tampa needed a QB. the rest was in place.
I think the tide is turning in the NFL. It's not just Brady. Ramsey shot his way out of Jacksonville, Jamal Adams shot his way of NY. It has been happening. Star players don't want to stay on losing teams. The players have more power than they ever have and now with Brady winning, it will only gain more momentum.
 

Steve:Section 102

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I think the tide is turning in the NFL. It's not just Brady. Ramsey shot his way out of Jacksonville, Jamal Adams shot his way of NY. It has been happening. Star players don't want to stay on losing teams. The players have more power than they ever have and now with Brady winning, it will only gain more momentum.
It still has to be the right situation. I agree that it will gain momentum, but where will Aaron Rodgers go where he's suddenly not Aaron Rodgers? Brady is a unique situation with a unique level of focus that these other guys don't have.
 

amfootball

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It still has to be the right situation. I agree that it will gain momentum, but where will Aaron Rodgers go where he's suddenly not Aaron Rodgers? Brady is a unique situation with a unique level of focus that these other guys don't have.
I agree Brady is unique but Rodgers has a lot of power. He can really make things difficult for GB but honestly, he has a great team to compete with. LaFleur has done a marvelous job with that that team and simplifying things for Rodgers so he can put up big numbers but not take a beating. I think he is really just angling for more money because his fee fee's were hurt when they drafted Love.
 

RIpats88

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It already has. Watson has been chirping, Rodgers has been complaining, now Wilson. Everyone wants the set up that Brady got in Tampa. He was basically the de facto GM and HC.

It's also kind of the Lebron style that started the movement in the NBA. Brady left a team with a roster in decline that was destined for another wildcard exit if he had stayed and went to a team that had alot of talent already that was missing that one piece a QB. And then brought some guys along like fournette, brown, Gronk

If Matt stafford is successful next year doing a similar move(going from the hapless lions to talented rams) it may push more QBs to look at leaving to go to teams that have "ready to win" rosters but are missing a QB
 

RIpats88

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I agree Brady is unique but Rodgers has a lot of power. He can really make things difficult for GB but honestly, he has a great team to compete with. LaFleur has done a marvelous job with that that team and simplifying things for Rodgers so he can put up big numbers but not take a beating. I think he is really just angling for more money because his fee fee's were hurt when they drafted Love.
I think LaFleur showed his limitations in the playoffs. That field goal on 4th down when you have the MVP is going to be what fractures his relationship with Rodgers. Especially when you put it next to Arians having brady go for the TD to scotty miller with seconds left
 

Steve:Section 102

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It's also kind of the Lebron style that started the movement in the NBA. Brady left a team with a roster in decline that was destined for another wildcard exit if he had stayed and went to a team that had alot of talent already that was missing that one piece a QB. And then brought some guys along like fournette, brown, Gronk

If Matt stafford is successful next year doing a similar move(going from the hapless lions to talented rams) it may push more QBs to look at leaving to go to teams that have "ready to win" rosters but are missing a QB
I think that this is the likely scenario. How many teams are just a QB away? How many of those have the cap space and the draft capital to make a deal for a guy under contract? How many of those teams will deal for a disgruntled diva? I think there's plenty of knuckleheads like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones who would love to collect shiny new things, but in reality, how likely is it to happen? By the time you drill down to who is a qb away, who has the balls to give away the draft and who has the cap space, there is probably 1-2 teams who can do it.

I agree with a lot of you guys, there's a whole bunch of guys looking at Brady and thinking I can do that. But perhaps they should have thought about that type of flexibility when they signed the huge, cap crippling contracts.
 

amfootball

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It's also kind of the Lebron style that started the movement in the NBA. Brady left a team with a roster in decline that was destined for another wildcard exit if he had stayed and went to a team that had alot of talent already that was missing that one piece a QB. And then brought some guys along like fournette, brown, Gronk

If Matt stafford is successful next year doing a similar move(going from the hapless lions to talented rams) it may push more QBs to look at leaving to go to teams that have "ready to win" rosters but are missing a QB
I don't mind it as a fan. I think QB movement makes the game exciting. I want to see the great Qbs on good teams.
 

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Some random thoughts I had similar to @Ian 's article:

1.) I believe that we are at a point where salaries will be tied to the cap in terms of percentages, starting with the QB market. A few (err...many) examples:

a.) The Rams basically PAID Detroit to unload Goff because he makes 30M+ a year and doesn't throw it deep.

b.) The Packers for some reason drafted Jordan Love with a first round pick at a time when Rodgers really needs an offensive weapon on a cheap rookie deal.

c.) The Seahawks are moving to a rushing offense....and Russell Wilson wants a place at the table.

d.) The Dolphins aren't even 100% in on Tua Tagovailoa and could buy another season on a rookie QB deal by dealing Tua for picks and taking a QB.

e.) Houston is screwed with DeShaun Watson. They don't have picks nor the cap space (25th of 32 teams per Sportrac) to really add talent. Trading Watson for a QB on a rookie contract might be their best avenue.

f.) Buffalo will have to pay Josh Allen 30M+ in 2022 and onward.

g.) The Jets will have to decide whether to pick up Darnold's 5th year option or take a rookie QB in April.

h.) The Steelers need to deal with Ben's 40M cap number next year.

i.) The Ravens will have to pony up for Lamar Jackson soon.

j.) The Colts won't pony up a ransom for Wentz.

k.) The Chiefs already owe Mahomes about half a billion the next decade.

l.) The Cowboys will have to pay Prescott 35M+.

m.) The Eagles would love to unload Wentz and his hefty cap charge...while taking a hard dead money hit too.

n.) The Falcons can't do anything about Matty Ice.

o.) The Saints just had Brees drop his salary by 24M....and might seriously consider Jameis Winston to compete with Taysom Hill.

p.) The Bucs love Brady, but will lose some FA's this year because they have to pay Tommy 28M (a bargain though).

q.) The Niners are looking at whether the grass is greener at the other side or not.

IMO, teams are realizing that QB salaries are outta whack....even with the cap at say 250M....is ANY QB worth 10% of the cap??? Can you win a Superbowl with an albatross of a QB making 25M+???? Even look at Brady who made 28M this year...the Bucs will lose Godwin....maybe David.....maybe even Gronk or AB....hard to see the Bucs any better than they were on Sunday in 2021...although BA and Licht seem to think they can have Evans give up some money to retain Godwin.

More of a reason to consider tying QB salaries to a percentage of the cap. Something like 15% MAX for the best QB in the league....to 5% for the worst starting QB in the league. Say the cap is at 250M in a couple of years...we are talking about 37.5M for someone like Mahomes and 12.5M for someone like Mitchell Trubisky... and it would keep all salaries in whack...cap goes up..the best get paid accordindly...no need to renegotiate extensions..kinda like the cap on rookie contracts.

2.) This is ALL the more reason for Belichick and the brain trust to seriously stand pat...and let the QB market come to them. There'll be a lot of movement in the next 5-6 weeks...and following that..more moves while teams jostle for draft slots. If I were BB and Co.....I would be dead serious about bringing Cam back....and just see what breaks loose around April/May. A crazy thing like Seattle or Green Bay all of sudden deciding they need to unload their QB's could possibly happen. Just tell Cam that we are interested in a reunion, but at something like 10-12M a year...and that he'll have to compete with Stiddy for real. Then let Cam hit the market and shop himself around...maybe the WFT signs him to compete Heincke/Allen or whatever. Just let teams like the Bears/Colts make the big moves....let teams trade up to grab one of the 4 guys...maybe a Sam Darnold will be available all of sudden.

3.) Man...Tom Brady is utterly insane.....he has really "broken" the NFL Thanos Infinity Stone style.... I love that guy! But what he has done or is doing is UTTERLY UNPRECEDENED .....and folks should keep that in mind. Even Belichick wasn't sold on him lasting 4-5 more years 2 seasons ago...and now he looks unstoppable and good enough to play 3-4 more seasons. In 2015...I was telling myself..no way does Brady play beyond 2019....after seeing him get beat up in Denver.
 

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Maybe it'll help send a QB our way. I'd be perfectly willing to give Wilson a chance. He'd look better with the protection he'd get here and a few tweaks on offense.
He wants a say in roster decisions. Never going to happen here. And the asking price would be prohibitively expensive for a guy on the wrong side of 30.
 

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At least Tom waited to become a free agent. Maybe one way things will change is QBs signing shorter deals.
 

skinnydog

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At least Tom waited to become a free agent. Maybe one way things will change is QBs signing shorter deals.
This is correct. TB12 was a free agent. He asked that as part of the last deal he signed the Pats waived the right to place the franchise tag on him. None of the other situations being bandied about involve a free agent QB. They're all about QBs wanting out/to be traded while under contract. TB12 played out his contact and then became a free agent and picked his team. He didn't come out publically and demand a trade or demand a say in the roster.
 

Steve:Section 102

A lion isn't concerned with the opinion of sheep
Some random thoughts I had similar to @Ian 's article:

1.) I believe that we are at a point where salaries will be tied to the cap in terms of percentages, starting with the QB market. A few (err...many) examples:

a.) The Rams basically PAID Detroit to unload Goff because he makes 30M+ a year and doesn't throw it deep.

b.) The Packers for some reason drafted Jordan Love with a first round pick at a time when Rodgers really needs an offensive weapon on a cheap rookie deal.

c.) The Seahawks are moving to a rushing offense....and Russell Wilson wants a place at the table.

d.) The Dolphins aren't even 100% in on Tua Tagovailoa and could buy another season on a rookie QB deal by dealing Tua for picks and taking a QB.

e.) Houston is screwed with DeShaun Watson. They don't have picks nor the cap space (25th of 32 teams per Sportrac) to really add talent. Trading Watson for a QB on a rookie contract might be their best avenue.

f.) Buffalo will have to pay Josh Allen 30M+ in 2022 and onward.

g.) The Jets will have to decide whether to pick up Darnold's 5th year option or take a rookie QB in April.

h.) The Steelers need to deal with Ben's 40M cap number next year.

i.) The Ravens will have to pony up for Lamar Jackson soon.

j.) The Colts won't pony up a ransom for Wentz.

k.) The Chiefs already owe Mahomes about half a billion the next decade.

l.) The Cowboys will have to pay Prescott 35M+.

m.) The Eagles would love to unload Wentz and his hefty cap charge...while taking a hard dead money hit too.

n.) The Falcons can't do anything about Matty Ice.

o.) The Saints just had Brees drop his salary by 24M....and might seriously consider Jameis Winston to compete with Taysom Hill.

p.) The Bucs love Brady, but will lose some FA's this year because they have to pay Tommy 28M (a bargain though).

q.) The Niners are looking at whether the grass is greener at the other side or not.

IMO, teams are realizing that QB salaries are outta whack....even with the cap at say 250M....is ANY QB worth 10% of the cap??? Can you win a Superbowl with an albatross of a QB making 25M+???? Even look at Brady who made 28M this year...the Bucs will lose Godwin....maybe David.....maybe even Gronk or AB....hard to see the Bucs any better than they were on Sunday in 2021...although BA and Licht seem to think they can have Evans give up some money to retain Godwin.

More of a reason to consider tying QB salaries to a percentage of the cap. Something like 15% MAX for the best QB in the league....to 5% for the worst starting QB in the league. Say the cap is at 250M in a couple of years...we are talking about 37.5M for someone like Mahomes and 12.5M for someone like Mitchell Trubisky... and it would keep all salaries in whack...cap goes up..the best get paid accordindly...no need to renegotiate extensions..kinda like the cap on rookie contracts.

2.) This is ALL the more reason for Belichick and the brain trust to seriously stand pat...and let the QB market come to them. There'll be a lot of movement in the next 5-6 weeks...and following that..more moves while teams jostle for draft slots. If I were BB and Co.....I would be dead serious about bringing Cam back....and just see what breaks loose around April/May. A crazy thing like Seattle or Green Bay all of sudden deciding they need to unload their QB's could possibly happen. Just tell Cam that we are interested in a reunion, but at something like 10-12M a year...and that he'll have to compete with Stiddy for real. Then let Cam hit the market and shop himself around...maybe the WFT signs him to compete Heincke/Allen or whatever. Just let teams like the Bears/Colts make the big moves....let teams trade up to grab one of the 4 guys...maybe a Sam Darnold will be available all of sudden.

3.) Man...Tom Brady is utterly insane.....he has really "broken" the NFL Thanos Infinity Stone style.... I love that guy! But what he has done or is doing is UTTERLY UNPRECEDENED .....and folks should keep that in mind. Even Belichick wasn't sold on him lasting 4-5 more years 2 seasons ago...and now he looks unstoppable and good enough to play 3-4 more seasons. In 2015...I was telling myself..no way does Brady play beyond 2019....after seeing him get beat up in Denver.
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good post.
 

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