N’Keal Harry Requests Trade

[PatsFanInVa]

Also, to @NG Pats Fan, please list all the busts that followed the picks for which you listed players that turned out better than the Pats pick you're evaluating as sucking in each instance. That's the weakest most hindsight-laden methodology imaginable: Somebody else picked a better receiver later, therefore BB can't pick receivers. Wait, is it possible that others drafted "wrong" as well? Hang on, you can call KiJana Carter and Akili Smith for your lifeline on the category of draft determinism. Or just watch "The Brady Six."

But how come BB could draft WRs in the early 2000ies?

From 02-08 he drafted 2 perennial first-team true WRs and 2 special teams standouts out of 6 not especially high picks, with strikeouts at PK Sam and Chad Jackson, he of the Florida Relief Act of 2008. Jackson went at 36. Nobody during that run went as high. No WR went that high to NE until N'Keal at 32.

 

[Sicilian]

Bill made those first 4 years' picks while HC/GM of the Cleveland Browns.

Those are Cleveland picks when BB was HC.

Not sure how much GM powers he had then though.

Thank you both. Mea culpa.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

One of the funniest things that Harry's agent said was that Tom Brady really worked with him and if Tom were here he'd be a bigger part of the offense, something like that (comparing Brady looks to Newton looks at Harry)


There also is no principle saying that you would weight the horizontal position stack by glamour or need, if I understand correctly.

So I see where you think the prob. is separating tiers within positions, but if the stacks work to emphasize value at the draft position regardless of need or glamour (or incorporating but not determined by need/impact--not to be confused with glamour), this is what you'd predict of his draft strategy at WR. Here you go -- this was a receiver available at no. 32 overall. That ain't where you get a world-beater blue chip lock. That's where you might get a good receiver, you might not. But complaining that a top 10 pick got wasted is a little different from expecting a lock at 32 overall. Quick excuse note: We don't draft high, and you've got to factor that in somewhat. Now, to never hit with the high picks, or at least for the last few drafts, that falls into just clumpiness in crap shoot data, but it also falls into the explanation "he can't draft wide receivers until the 5th round."

Jules >>>>>>> Chad Jackson and Hart Lee Dykes. Put together.

I mean, I don't think BB's drafting is necessarily fantastic, but he tends to build overall rosters that win super bowls. We'll see if he gets back to that after 2020, which I for one wrote off fairly early- worst impact from off season losses, worst impact from opt-outs, and the QB ended up affected by COVID. Not to go excuse crazy for 20, I just dont think it's predictive of 21, unless of course it is. If it turns out he's still building those winning teams, and the specific WR position gets the worst of his draft strategy, does it work or does it not?

Asking for a friend.

Overall it clearly works. 9 Superbowl trips in 20 years. And it's worked by overcoming WR/CB busts by finding gems in the 7th round or undrafted.
It's just that nobody is perfect and every GM/coach has some blind spots. The Harry pick has more of a spotlight because 6 stars came after him and I believe 18 total receivers from that class or the class after have all out-produced Harry.

To your factual point about BB drafting and developing good receivers from 2001-2004 and 2009-2012 (like Jules), obligatory note from me that those all came under draft and development of different OC's than the current one. Have literally never drafted and developed a good WR with the current OC from 2005-2008 and 2013-now.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Overall it clearly works. 9 Superbowl trips in 20 years. And it's worked by overcoming WR/CB busts by finding gems in the 7th round or undrafted.
It's just that nobody is perfect and every GM/coach has some blind spots. The Harry pick has more of a spotlight because 6 stars came after him and I believe 18 total receivers from that class or the class after have all out-produced Harry.

To your factual point about BB drafting and developing good receivers from 2001-2004 and 2009-2012 (like Jules), obligatory note from me that those all came under draft and development of different OC's than the current one. Have literally never drafted and developed a good WR with the current OC from 2005-2008 and 2013-now.

Welp, mo betta receivers, ah reckon. Guess in NE, with the current OC, for this window of time, the smart money is on free agency. Also keep your eye on the late round receivers. I mean, since past performance is a guarantee of future returns and all

I really can't claim to know shlitz about why we haven't hit on highish round receivers, but the overall most successful draft strategy in the league has resulted in precisely 1 first rounder at the position (at no. 32) this century (going by memory from the list on the previous page.) So the net judgment of the overall most successful strategy in the league is that WRs are overvalued head cases.

The great weakness of this analysis, of course, is that we've had the GOAT of all QBs for most of this century, less one year. We COULD suck in general, except for Tom Brady, as many of the TB fans on here believe. I do not think this is correct, but I do think that unless for some reason God has put the young TFB into Mac Jones' body, we are about to find out whether it is the preferred overall strategy to try the crap shoot to fill the position in New England or not.

I do say "in New England," because I think there is a reason we make unorthodox picks at WR and there is a reason that guys flourish here, then often go on to fail elsewhere, and other guys come in after stellar careers elsewhere and turn to crap here.

Those 6 big stars, whoever they are, might have been worse in our system than the one washout we did draft. And perhaps the ability to spot that intangible is sharpened in the later rounds. I mean, since we're trying to come up with frameworks that fit the fact pattern.

Eh who knows. All I know is it freakin' July and I would really love to see some football, as opposed to whatever TF Harry is doing out there

 

[sb1]

When is Jarrett Stidham going to request a trade?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

When is Jarrett Stidham going to request a trade?

I need a lame instagram video first throwing to a target with no one defending with some hype music.

 

[borg]

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Saints Michael Thomas will be out for the beginning of the season. Could be a place to trade N'keal to!

 

[203Pat]

Saints Michael Thomas will be out for the beginning of the season. Could be a place to trade N'keal to!

We should ask for Cam Jordan and Alvin Kamara. We may need to throw in a 5th though.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

We should ask for Cam Jordan and Alvin Kamara. We may need to throw in a 5th though.

I was thinking for their 5th or 6th rounder, but I'd be ok with that

 

[203Pat]

I was thinking for their 5th or 6th rounder, but I'd be ok with that

No way we have them over a barrel now.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

No way we have them over a barrel now.

We should have packaged Harry with Popovich for a second round pick.

 

[203Pat]

We should have packaged Harry with Popovich for a second round pick.

I hear they aren’t sure who their QB is. I bet we might be able to get a first for Hoyer.

 

[Patriot_fan989]

Why is N'keal Harry at the top of the unofficial depth chart right now?

At least Michelle has been downgraded to Damien's backup.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Been away. Iceland. Just checking in to see what good pick(s) we got for Harry

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Were you screaming at a hooker: "DO YOUR JOB!!!"?

Yeah and I also referenced "deflated balls" once or twice

 

[Sicilian]

Been away. Iceland. Just checking in to see what good pick(s) we got for Harry

Iceland is a charming place. Stayed in Reykjavik a few years ago and loved it.

 

[Zuma]

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Why is N'keal Harry at the top of the unofficial depth chart right now?

Putting him at WR1 on the depth chart now will yield a much higher trade return.

 

[captain stone]

Why is N'keal Harry at the top of the unofficial depth chart right now?

Putting him at WR1 on the depth chart now will yield a much higher trade return.

Chess vs checkers...

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You couldn't get a bag of chips in trade for this worthless P.O.S. that even Brady could not make usable - get his worthless pathetic as$ the hell out of Foxboro