My $0.02 on the crowd

[Pats726]

You guys are joking right?

Or are you really comparing cheering or booing at a sports game to rape or drug use or any other actual actions of major consequence?

Are you guys even listening to yourselves?

People are going to express their opinion at sporting events whether you try to heap righteous shame on them or not. Accept it.

you can express an opinion...all u wish...But your actions may be FAR from what a fan really si....THAT is what I am saying....and NOT undesrtanding how booing is anything but anti-fandom.

 

[Garbanza]

This is revisonary history.
Fans booed because of the SCORE.
After the fact, the explanation was effort. Show me examples of how they werent trying. Explain to me how they could lose 50-0 and give it there all?
Tell me even how you could tell they werent giving their all.
If the players truly were out there not giving a damn, how does that happen? How does a whol team of players decide one day, independently of each other to just not try? How do people who make their living winning or losing man to man fights all of sudden not care if they lose them?
What do you look at to decide whether they are giving their all? It can't be the result because you just said 50-0 could still mean they are.
This approach that you watch, assessed how hard they were trying, and judged THAT to be the problem regardless of the score is disingenuous. It simply could not have happened.

They boo'ed at half-time too.

They team looked lost out there. Really they did. Sometimes crazy stuff like that happens....to any team.

Let me ask you a question. How do you feel about the people that sit on their hands, or sit on their hands because they are chatting with their buddy about something unrelated to the game or some of the those red-seat people that don't even sit in their seats to watch the game. I've said this before - at least the boo crowd cares.

 

[Pats726]

So two questions for you:

Do you think the players gave it their all in this game?

Our all-star DL being pushed around bys scrubs why do you think it happened?

Firstly you call Miami's players scrubs.. and THAt shows me you have ZERO knowledge of the NFL and it's competition.. scrubs..If THAt is what u think believe.. NO WONDER you do what you do..NO knowledge of the game....

 

[Pats726]

If they're not giving it their all, that's just not the Patriot way, and it doesn't matter how long a streak they're coming off of.

And you KNOW they are not gicing their all because.....your judgement..please....

 

[Ring 6]

So you do the same thing as a Jet fan would do if the Patriots were playing in NY...BOOOOO!! Wonderful....I don't get the logic of booing one's own team..it seems the OPPOSITE of what a fan is about...HOW does THAT booing support the team?? you see..it doesn't...and that is the point..

It is NOT about supporting the team.
That is OBVIOUS in every post from the people who support the booing.
IT is about the team owes me a performance. If I get it I will give them a apt on the back, if I don't I will give them a kick in the @ss.
This has never been about booing having anything to do with a method of support. Booing is a method to say I do not support you.
That is why so many people have such a problem with it. As a fan, I and many others do feel the role of fans in attendance is to support the team. (we have consistent posts about the crowd noise, 12th man etc) . The OK to boo crowd is saying that they can boo BECAUSE THEY WANT TO because ITS ABOUT THEM, THE FANS, NOT THE TEAM.

Read back through this thread. All of the pro-booing comments are really saying as fans they were offended and they have the right to decry that and LET THE TEAM KNOW THEY F-ED ME OVER. It is not about supporting the team, its about withholding support.

 

[Ring 6]

They boo'ed at half-time too.

They team looked lost out there. Really they did. Sometimes crazy stuff like that happens....to any team.

Let me ask you a question. How do you feel about the people that sit on their hands, or sit on their hands because they are chatting with their buddy about something unrelated to the game or some of the those red-seat people that don't even sit in their seats to watch the game. I've said this before - at least the boo crowd cares.

They looked lost because they were losing, and we don't know what that looks like. They looked 'lost' because they were getting beaten, they weren't making plays. That doesnt mean they gave up, it means they didnt look like they nornally do, because they normally win, and they weren't.

As far as the rest, I think fans should be loud.
I think booing does more harm than doing nothing does though.
I disagree that to boo is to care, because booing means I care about ME not the team.

Look, my point is not that booing should never happen. I dont see the value in it, but I can see justification in it at times.
Booing says I have had enough, and I do not support you right now.
What I have a HUGE problem with is that fans turned on this team in such a short period of time. It is so ungrateful and disingenuous. All the same fans that talk about how much they love the Patriots booed them after HALF A GAME. They said based on HALF A GAME, I'm fed up, you disgust me.

Shouldn't this team get more rope than that?
Shouldn't they be allowed to become mediocre before they are assailed. Shouldnt it have to be more than the first time in almost 2 years that they were ON THE WAY TO it was only halftime) losing a game?

I just dont get the thinking that says I am going to boo this team to show them I am disgusted when even that day included they are miles better than any other team over a very long period of time.

I guess booing the Lions like that makes sense. Booing the Jets like that after last years 4-12 (here we go again) makes sense. Do you think the Colts fans are booing? The Jags? Would the Cowboy fans boo a bad half? The Giants? I think there is no chance of that.

 

[maverick4]

The true character of a fanbase shows when their team is down.

Your favorite home team is losing in a game, the other team seems to be having their way.

That is when the home field advantage kicks in, you literally inspire and influence your team and the outcome of the match because you will it.

To simply cheer or BOO based on point score or perceived performance is pretty much a symptom of a complete bandwagon fan.

 

[Tunescribe]

The fans that booed are bad fans because they booed.

No, not bad, just ignorant and immature.

 

[NJPatsfan26]

IMO booing only negatively effects the overall crowd experience of going to a game and effects the way the team performs on the field.

 

[brabirschorr]

OK - so I haven't been on this board since Sunday's game and don't have time to read 21+ pages of thread. But I wanted to make one simple point. I was shocked EARLY IN THE GAME when the Pats were on defense and they showed pictures of the Gillette crowd and almost everyone (at least on camera) was sitting on their hands with a look of shock on their face!! I know all about the limitations of Gillette with regard to noise, yada yada yada, but its unexplicable to me that the fans who are blessed to have tickets couldn't be more vocal in that early (or later, for that matter) critical point of the game. And please, don't put down those of us who don't attend the games. The majority of us would kill to assume your tickets.

 

[Pats726]

Let me ask you a question. How do you feel about the people that sit on their hands, or sit on their hands because they are chatting with their buddy about something unrelated to the game or some of the those red-seat people that don't even sit in their seats to watch the game. I've said this before - at least the boo crowd cares.

Well...people who go to games who seem not interested really are NOT even football fans to begin with..it's a social thing TO BE in there..they will be gone in the next dip in the franchise. BUT at least they did not boo. Cheering supports the team, booing does not...simple?? I'd rather have them sit...at least they are not bringing negativity to their team.
If a Miami fan was there..they'd be booing the Patriots...just like the so called "fans" that boo...is there any difference?? It's negative..doesn't support the team one iota. If you THINK booing does support the team...explain why?? What's the difference between Patriot fans booing and Dolphin fans who were at that game booing?? It's the SAME negativity directed at the Patriots.
Oh..BTW you never have said what that SPECIAL PERSPECTIVE was that one had to be at a game to experience...still waiting...

 

[Jimke]

OK - so I haven't been on this board since Sunday's game and don't have time to read 21+ pages of thread. But I wanted to make one simple point. I was shocked EARLY IN THE GAME when the Pats were on defense and they showed pictures of the Gillette crowd and almost everyone (at least on camera) was sitting on their hands with a look of shock on their face!! I know all about the limitations of Gillette with regard to noise, yada yada yada, but its unexplicable to me that the fans who are blessed to have tickets couldn't be more vocal in that early (or later, for that matter) critical point of the game. And please, don't put down those of us who don't attend the games. The majority of us would kill to assume your tickets.

Did you expect the fans to be wearing broad grins and cheering

madly when their team was getting it's butt kicked? If so, you

are being completely unreasonable.

 

[Pats726]

Did you expect the fans to be wearing broad grins and cheering

madly when their team was getting it's butt kicked? If so, you

are being completely unreasonable.

Who said ANYTHING about wearing broad grins and cheering madly?? Only one of the boo birds...

 

[JoeSixPat]

And you KNOW they are not gicing their all because.....your judgement..please....

Are you really saying that's the best you think this team can do? You think they were giving everything they had on the field?

Beyond that, how about looking at the player comments - Jarvis Green "That's not Patriots football"

How about Bill Belichick's comment on WEEI - "We're better than that"

Or maybe you think he's ignorant and immature too.

No, not bad, just ignorant and immature.

Ahhh - I see. All this time I was under the impression that you guys thought that ignroance and immaturity were bad!

I don't think fans who have high standards for their team are immature or igorant, but seeing as you don't feel that's a bad thing - I guess we're essentially in agreement.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I've got to say, I think I'm just about done with this topic.

I've tried my best to help illustrate that those who want to CHEER the worst loss in the history of Gillette Stadium and those who want to BOO the worst loss in the history of Gillette Stadium both have good reasons for doing so, and both are good fans in my book.

The only reponse I seem to be seeing from the Thought Police is different versions of "We're right and they're wrong."

As far as I'm concerned the only people who are truly "wrong" are the ones who adhere to that philosophy - and there's just no getting through to them - ever.

 

[Garbanza]

Well...people who go to games who seem not interested really are NOT even football fans to begin with..it's a social thing TO BE in there..they will be gone in the next dip in the franchise. BUT at least they did not boo. Cheering supports the team, booing does not...simple?? I'd rather have them sit...at least they are not bringing negativity to their team.
If a Miami fan was there..they'd be booing the Patriots...just like the so called "fans" that boo...is there any difference?? It's negative..doesn't support the team one iota. If you THINK booing does support the team...explain why?? What's the difference between Patriot fans booing and Dolphin fans who were at that game booing?? It's the SAME negativity directed at the Patriots.
Oh..BTW you never have said what that SPECIAL PERSPECTIVE was that one had to be at a game to experience...still waiting...

...you arenlt one of the people that says the crowd doesn't cheer enough then, right? Clearly the cheers arenlt loud because there aren't enough people cheering. Red seat/pink hat phenomenon, I say.

Re: the perspective. You stated that the people that boo are drunks. Drunkard rowdiness is long gone at Gillette. Kraft made it as family freindly as a football venue can get. As a spectator at a game, you can see a play develop. I saw plays where players looked like they were lolly-gagging (is that a word?)....anyway, really, they did. Plus, I wills tand by this statment: if a patron is displeased with the lack of effort that "appears" to be displayed, they can react whatever way they please. I'm not a "boo" person, but I won't disparage people that paid good money to see that sh*t voicing their displeasure.

Honest to God, I've never seen such a sensitive fanbase in my life. I was at the Meadowlands the week before. I heard boo's. Shoot - they bood the cheerleaders (flight girls). Nary a word from the faithful about the boo's. Some poeple really need to grow thicker skin.

 

[Garbanza]

Who said ANYTHING about wearing broad grins and cheering madly?? Only one of the boo birds...

See, now this I can get behind! I was standing and yelling "defense" on every third down - one of a handful. The crowd was so disconnected from what was going on. I canlt stand the folks that attend games and sit on their hands. Personally, I find that far more offensive than booing.

 

[Pats726]

Are you really saying that's the best you think this team can do? You think they were giving everything they had on the field?

Beyond that, how about looking at the player comments - Jarvis Green "That's not Patriots football"

How about Bill Belichick's comment on WEEI - "We're better than that"
Or maybe you think he's ignorant and immature too.

By the way....WHERE was anything said about NOT giving it their all?? They said that that was not Patriot's football or they could have played better...BUT you said the team was not giving it their all? You didn't say there were boos because they could have played better. OR because it was NOT Patriot's football. it was all about EFFORT...and neither the Coach not Jarvis said ANYTHING about NOT giving a lot of effort.
Not giving effort and being able to play better are not synonymous. Maybe in your mind...
No...hardly...and those were NOT my words in the first place..but that is OK..

 

[Pats726]

I don't think fans who have high standards for their team are immature or igorant

You will live in a state of disappointment with those high standards .you shoud be sentenced to a few years in Oakland or in Detroit..and see how long you last as a "fan" there. Most likely not too long at all...Should the word spolied come to mind?..High standards and no tolerance..and taking support away at a moments notice..a TRUE fan..I think fans like you are more "so called fans"..high standards..find ANY other pro team with this team's record over the last 8 years. Not many are they..and this team deserves booing...right?? I think ignorant and immature DO fit...

 

[Pats726]

...you arenlt one of the people that says the crowd doesn't cheer enough then, right? Clearly the cheers arenlt loud because there aren't enough people cheering. Red seat/pink hat phenomenon, I say.

Re: the perspective. You stated that the people that boo are drunks. Drunkard rowdiness is long gone at Gillette. Kraft made it as family freindly as a football venue can get. As a spectator at a game, you can see a play develop. I saw plays where players looked like they were lolly-gagging (is that a word?)....anyway, really, they did. Plus, I wills tand by this statment: if a patron is displeased with the lack of effort that "appears" to be displayed, they can react whatever way they please. I'm not a "boo" person, but I won't disparage people that paid good money to see that sh*t voicing their displeasure.

Honest to God, I've never seen such a sensitive fanbase in my life. I was at the Meadowlands the week before. I heard boo's. Shoot - they bood the cheerleaders (flight girls). Nary a word from the faithful about the boo's. Some poeple really need to grow thicker skin.

When one can't answer questions one throws in a perspective THAT is not true, was not said and claims that it is.. THAT is pretty ignorant.. WHERE did I state that "that the people that boo are drunks"...PLEASE show that to me?? THAT is PRETTY poor...I hope you have a fine time finding that...it will be a LONG YIME before you find that one...BUT THAT is just another invention in your mind....maybe like the so called magic "perspective" of being at a game..and HOW different that is.
BTW no one has said what the difference is between a Dolphin fan who was at Sunday's game and booing the Patriots and so called Patriot fans that booed them, There is NO difference..it is all negativity against the team..What is needed are fans that are REALLY fans! Who don't act like emotional weather vanes..cheer when the team is winning and showing support and booing and not showing support when it isn'y going very well. It's way easy to be a fan when things are going well.. a LOT tougher when they are not. Many so called fans will be gone the next time the team hits a dry spell.