Moss's ex coaches rip him...

[sebman2112]

Anyone catch the segment on the NFL Network? I didnt catch the whole thing because I just had woken up... But Art Shell was saying something along the lines of " Moss is lazy.." , "We wanted him to take an MRI on his knee but he always refuses because he was scared of what it would find", "He teases all of us with a little speed and brilliant plays, but hes getting old fast"...

No class from Art Shell..very scummy move. Even if this all does come to be true ( i am pretty sure it wont), you don't say or do that.. I hope come winter Belicheck and Patriot Nation stuff Art Shell's fat face with crow..all day.

Yea, they actually talked about Shell and Walsh's entire quotes, yet they didn't post the quotes from other people in the league, and his ex-teammates that go completely against what Shell cliams.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Anyone catch the segment on the NFL Network? I didnt catch the whole thing because I just had woken up... But Art Shell was saying something along the lines of " Moss is lazy.." , "We wanted him to take an MRI on his knee but he always refuses because he was scared of what it would find", "He teases all of us with a little speed and brilliant plays, but hes getting old fast"...

No class from Art Shell..very scummy move. Even if this all does come to be true ( i am pretty sure it wont), you don't say or do that.. I hope come winter Belicheck and Patriot Nation stuff Art Shell's fat face with crow..all day.

And it begins. Who is Art Shell to talk? He has been a joke as an NFL head coach every time he's tried his hand at it. It is no secret that he personally alienated Jerry Porter but was too chicken**** at the same time to say anything to Moss about slacking off. Nice way to destroy your own team because of your pride butthead.

 

[sebman2112]

I don't have a link, I heard it on ESPN radio yesterday. Belitnikoff made a comment one particular play last season. It was a play action pass and Moss was supposed to run a particular route on the dirt part of their field. Moss didn't run the route and the play blew up. Biletnikoff asked him what happened and Moss basically told him he didn't want to run that route on that part of the field. He also said there were somewhere around 30+ plays last season that blew up because of Moss not doing what he was supposed to do.

You didn't hear correctly. That was a Tom Walsh quote in which he states that was the conversation between Randy Moss and Biletnikoff. Fred Biletnikoff didn't come out and say that, it was Tom Walsh.

 

[texpat]

Fortunately for us, he's now in the right situation but make no mistake, not even Belichick could keep him in line if he had Aaron Brooks throwing him the ball.

Counting your chickens before they hatch..............

Or you're proclaiming Moss to be a great fit and in the right situation and he hasn't even stepped on the field in even a pre-season game.

Man, you just can't beat good ol' homerism!

 

[JoeSixPat]

Anyone catch the segment on the NFL Network? I didnt catch the whole thing because I just had woken up... But Art Shell was saying something along the lines of " Moss is lazy.." , "We wanted him to take an MRI on his knee but he always refuses because he was scared of what it would find", "He teases all of us with a little speed and brilliant plays, but hes getting old fast"...

No class from Art Shell..very scummy move. Even if this all does come to be true ( i am pretty sure it wont), you don't say or do that.. I hope come winter Belicheck and Patriot Nation stuff Art Shell's fat face with crow..all day.

Well these criticisms have been out there for about a year or so - that he's lost a step, takes plays off, and obviously there's the injury issue from last year...

I've voiced all those concerns myself and what it means to the team - especially if he is lazy and takes plays off

The only difference is that the Raiders couldn't say much before but are in spin mode now - like someone said I've got no reason not to trust BB and SP's assessment - and if Moss does revert to the "bad" Randy MO, he'll be cut - plain and simple.

It's a worthy risk for a cheap contract and a 4th round pick. But I do think Moss wants a SB ring and he's willing to work for it. So we shall see.

 

[Alk]

Counting your chickens before they hatch..............

Or you're proclaiming Moss to be a great fit and in the right situation and he hasn't even stepped on the field in even a pre-season game.

Man, you just can't beat good ol' homerism!

I'm pretty sure that is the first time I have ever been a homer. Thanks...I think. The reason I say Moss is in the perfect situation is that he now is playing for one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL and has one of the best QBs in the NFL throwing him the rock. No homerism there, those are just plain facts. If he can't thrive in this environment then he's just flat out done.

 

[captain stone]

Randy Moss = cancer.

Meriweather = fragile punk.

2nd-day picks = total garbage.

Still no help at ILB.

Morris is the backup RB.

Undependable Safeties.

Samuel, Troy Brown = unsigned.

No true #2 CB.

Except for AT, absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played. (Thanks also to Skippy's playcalling and Bledsoe's, er, Brady's "execution" on the first, and last, series of that half.)

Disgraceful.

 

[patriotspride]

absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played.

adalius thomas

 

[spacecrime]

Randy Moss = cancer.

Meriweather = fragile punk.

2nd-day picks = total garbage.

Still no help at ILB.

Morris is the backup RB.

Undependable Safeties.

Samuel, Troy Brown = unsigned.

No true #2 CB.

Except for AT, absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played. (Thanks also to Skippy's playcalling and Bledsoe's, er, Brady's "execution" on the first, and last, series of that half.)

Disgraceful.

I'm so bummed. If only you were head coach of the Patriots. Not only would we have a better team, but ticket prices would drop because we could get rid of all those useless scouts and personnel men. I mean, you don't need them to determine who we should sign, why is BB wasting money having them scout games. Also, nolt only does he keep bringing players in for tryouts at great expense (which you don't need to do), he ends up with the wrong players.

Can we start a grass roots effort to get you to replace BB, SP and the scouting staff?

 

[zippo59]

Randy Moss = cancer.

Meriweather = fragile punk.

2nd-day picks = total garbage.

Still no help at ILB.

Morris is the backup RB.

Undependable Safeties.

Samuel, Troy Brown = unsigned.

No true #2 CB.

Except for AT, absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played. (Thanks also to Skippy's playcalling and Bledsoe's, er, Brady's "execution" on the first, and last, series of that half.)

Disgraceful.

I hope you're joking because you sound like a total boob.

 

[mgcolby]

Randy Moss = cancer.

Meriweather = fragile punk.

How is he fragile? The punk thing is debatable but I will take BB's educated decision over your uneducated opinion.

2nd-day picks = total garbage.

Kareem Brown was the defensive player of the year for Miami. Yup, he must be a bum considering two of his defensive teammates were first round picks. And Miami's woes last year were not because of their Defense.

Still no help at ILB.

Seau is coming back. You don't know where Woods, Mays and Alexander are developmentally. Lua is intriguing, sorry I forgot, he was a garbage pick.

Morris is the backup RB.

Your point? Chris Brown has been rumored to have been sniffed at by the Pats. And if you are going to complain about our RB situation then you must have a short memory.

Undependable Safeties.

Yup, safety was a major problem last year, in weak 3. Sanders came on very well, Scott played very solid in that role, we still have Hawk and some guy named Rodney and Wilson. And forgive me if I'm mistaken, but didn't the Pats draft a safety in the first round?

Samuel, Troy Brown = unsigned.

Samuel is franchised, so he either signs his tender or agrees to a reasonable contract or he doesn't get paid. I'm sure Brown is just overwhelmed with contract offers from other teams. Nitpicking on that one just a bit..no?

No true #2 CB.

Hobbs, James, Scott and Gay. I know none of them can play, right? Only CB's that pick off 11 balls while getting beat just as many times trying to get those picks are much better.

Except for AT, absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played. (Thanks also to Skippy's playcalling and Bledsoe's, er, Brady's "execution" on the first, and last, series of that half.)

Disgraceful.

I hear ya, getting the best defensive FA available, getting back all of those healthy DB's that were either on the IR or sick in the second half of the Colts game, drafting arguably the 2nd best safety/db in the draft, signing a solid vet CB and giving the WR corps/offense as a whole a major upgrade will do nothing to improve the 2nd best defense in the league. What a bunch of dopes that front office is!

This has convinced me that no matter what the Patriots do the people who ripped them in the past for being cheap etc.. will only find new ways to rip them when they do exactly what they have been clammoring for.

We have to many idiots rooting for this team.

 

[TheSeymonsta]

We have to many idiots rooting for this team.

Now I do agree that he went way over the top as far as ripping the Pats but we still have serious injury concerns at LB because of the age and history of

Seau
Bruschi
Vrabel...

But is it neccesary to infer that he and others that question the Pats FO are idiots???

I understand that the front office has done extremely well in the past but they are far from perfect and have not done a whole hell of a lot in addressing the ILB position.

 

[mgcolby]

But is it neccesary to infer that he and others that question the Pats FO are idiots???

I understand that the front office has done extremely well in the past but they are far from perfect and have not done a whole hell of a lot in addressing the ILB position.

One with his (captain Stone) track record, yes!

 

[TheSeymonsta]

One with his (captain Stone) track record, yes!

Well I dont spend too much time on this site but I can see that posters here tend to jump all over people for questioning anything the Pats do.

I find it a little unneccesary to rip into people for expressing an opinion.

 

[mgcolby]

Now I do agree that he went way over the top as far as ripping the Pats but we still have serious injury concerns at LB because of the age and history of

Seau
Bruschi
Vrabel...

How many games has Vrabel missed? Bruschi had a stroke and missed half a season. Seau has history of injury the past few years but last year he broke his arm.

And please tell me a team that wouldn't have an issue, if they had an injury to three of their top LB's? Or any position for that matter.

This may or may not be a news flash..but there isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't have a weakness. The Pats are about as close to a perfect roster as possible. And when your biggest weakness is wether or not one of your top 5 LB's gets hurt, you're doing all right.

 

[TheSeymonsta]

This may or may not be a news flash..but there isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't have a weakness. The Pats are about as close to a perfect roster as possible. And when your biggest weakness is wether or not one of your top 5 LB's gets hurt, you're doing all right.

My concern is not as much for this year as it is addressing the position for the future. Everyone preaches about how tough this defense is for people to learn but yet no young talent has been brought in.

Thats my only concern.

IMO

They have not brought enough young talent in to address the very near future of losing

Bruschi and Vrabel.

 

[spacecrime]

But is it neccesary to infer that he and others that question the Pats FO are idiots???

I agree that it is not necessary to infer or state such a thing. It obviously goes without saying.

Is that what you meant?

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1. Watched NFL Live
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3. Watch Sports Center
4. Read Felger, Shaunessy and Borges
5. Watch New England Tailgate
6. Listen to WEEI and Gresh
7. Explain why the Pats front office is making a mistake.

 

[mgcolby]

My concern is not as much for this year as it is addressing the position for the future. Everyone preaches about how tough this defense is for people to learn but yet no young talent has been brought in.

Thats my only concern.

IMO

They have not brought enough young talent in to address the very near future of losing

Bruschi and Vrabel.

Well, last year people were concerned about the future of OLB and ILB and they addressed OLB with Thomas. Now we have Thomas and Colvin outside with Vrabel and Thomas able to play both ILB and OLB. I don't think Vrabel is near the end, but that is just my opinion. The key replacement is for Bruschi and who knows what the future is. It could be Woods, Alexander or a FA next year or a First Round pick in 2008.

The fact is neither of us know what the coaching staff knows/believes about what they have for young talent. We can only speculate on the limited contributions by those players during last year's TC, Pre-Season, regular season and post season. But the coaches see them everyday and monitor their progress or lack thereof. For all we know they didn't consider anyone that was available as an upgrade over what they have. I just find it a little pompous for people to believe they know more about the depth at LB, player evaluation etc.. than BB and Pioli do. And that is how the majority of people who are "unbiased" on this board usually present their "concerns".

 

[sebman2112]

Randy Moss = cancer.

Meriweather = fragile punk.

2nd-day picks = total garbage.

Still no help at ILB.

Morris is the backup RB.

Undependable Safeties.

Samuel, Troy Brown = unsigned.

No true #2 CB.

Except for AT, absolutely nothing else done to help a defense that allowed 32 points during the last half of football it played. (Thanks also to Skippy's playcalling and Bledsoe's, er, Brady's "execution" on the first, and last, series of that half.)

Disgraceful.

Unless you're joking this is one of the dumbest post ever submitted to this board.....NEM?

 

[TheSeymonsta]

I just find it a little pompous for people to believe they know more about the depth at LB, player evaluation etc.. than BB and Pioli do. And that is how the majority of people who are "unbiased" on this board usually present their "concerns".

Obviously I dont know more about talent evaluation than BB or Pioli do or I would not be working as an Engineer I would be working as a Scout/Coach.


With that said I can question the percieved lack of talent behind the starting 4...

Thats all I am doing.

Plus its a message board and there isnt much else to talk about.