Moss: "I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

[Kontradiction]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

1. We might have preferred he kept his mouth shut. It is certainly what we're used to. It's the team ethos and all that, and it's what we expect.

1a. Mitigating factor: Over and over again he kept saying "no disrespect intended" etc.

Probably because he realized after he said it the kind of after effect his words were going to have. As I said earlier, too late Randy. Damage is done. Now we're going to have this rehashed everytime Moss has a bad game this season. And, guess what? Florio won't be to blame. Moss will be for opening up the floodgates.

1b. The content of what he said was, "I will want a big payday. The Pats are unlikely to deliver one." He's more than likely right.

Now who is spinning things? His exact quote was, "They just don't pay." That can literally be taken to mean "they are cheap". Or, "they don't pay anybody". However, the interpretation doesn't really matter, does it? It's the fact that he broke the cardinal rule of the organization and that's opening up the media. It's the mere fact that he should have never said it. That he left what he said up to interpretation at all is all on Moss. If he had just kept his mouth shut or just said something simple like, "I'll just wait to see what next year brings", he wouldn't be in this situation.

1c. However he placed that decision exactly where it belongs, on the team. He just recognized he's not likely to get the money he'll want in N.E.

2. That could be just idle talk, but I doubt it.

Not sure what you're getting at with this. He left the decision up to the team... as opposed to whom, exactly? Rob Schneider? The lead singer of Pink Floyd? Patsfans.com? Of course it's the team that makes the decisions. It's the fact that he called the team cheap is what I care about.

2a. A stellar '10 means he has set the stage for a "cross your fingers and pray for an extension" campaign. If '10 is like '07, you don't think an army of fans won't come out of the woodwork clamoring for his re-signing, whatever the cost?

This I agree with. And I'll be one of those fans clamoring for his re-signing.

2b. Failing that, a good '10 combined with the early broadside announces, "if you've got the money, yes I'll be out there -- no loyalty bonus"

I found the way he phrased his statement professional and businesslike, and actually quite non-egotistical. Everybody know the Pats aren't the guys to go to for top dollar at the elite end, unless you're the absolute cornerstone (i.e. Tom Brady) of the team.

Again, just because "everybody knows" does not give Moss the right to say it. And no, it isn't professional or business like. If you're going to leave your job and persue another career with a competitor, you wouldn't turn around and tell the local media that you'd like to go somewhere else next year if you don't get a raise and then have it broadcasted so your current employer could see it, would you? That's more or less what Moss just did. The only difference is that he wasn't asking for a raise (more like an extension) and wasn't saying it to the local media (more like the national media).

So to your "main point," it's an unwritten rule that a Patriot doesn't put that crap out into the media. Well wah. What are they gonna do, cut him? Preferable if he displays that discipline we're all accustomed to, of course. Of course, there's a question out there: how did the Pats ever develop that culture anyway? I doubt you can express contractually every possible situation regarding the media. I think it is voluntary self-discipline. Way easier to have when your team is a bunch of nobodies seeing the way out of irrelevance like nine years ago, than when you have a few high-dollar guys, many of them imports who see the biz through the filter of experiences around the league.

Reprucussions aren't, in any way, relevant to this conversation. The point is whether or not Moss should have said something that could be left so open to interpretation to the national media about his current employer, all the while feeding a negative perception about the team that is not 100% true.

As in many things we may not have known how magical the 2001-2004 years were. What may have been unthinkable then is thinkable now. We're post-Seymour, post-Deion. Our "media attention cherry" is long-ago popped. More people on the current team put up with the fairly baseless national hatred that set in in earnest in 07 than ever got a ring w/the Pats. Lots of the veteran leadership/"locker-room mafia" is gone, as you point out... well, if it was always self-policed, that sort of implies it can dissipate with no recourse on the part of the team. I noticed AD making comments in a similar vein during the season, I think... maybe that's normal behavior for a lot of high-priced FAs.

Please name the last time a player currently on the Patriots and still under contract said that the team doesn't pay?

Not arguing that it's definitely been one key of success, to avoid unnecessarily dragging in the press. But who has the authority to enforce that? I mean, if it came from BB, wouldn't that be viewed as insanely hypocritical?

The coach has the authority to enforce that. One thing that many people don't realize (I guess) is that, when you're on a football team at any level, you aren't operating in a Democracy. You are not under a flag of freedom. Almost all of the time, you're under a dictatorship. If there's a rule in place, whether it's written or unwritten, you are expected to conduct yourself by it. Such is the reason Moss has more or less been kept away from the media since he's been here. And why would it be hypocritical for Belichick to enforce it? Because he talks to the media? Get out of here. Belichick, by signing his contract, MUST talk to the media. It's a league rule. However, he doesn't exactly give them much to run with. His quotes aren't as open to interpretation as this one was. Moss doesn't have to talk to Florio if he doesn't want to.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wilbon just ripped on the pats on PTI by saying, "Moss is being mature and is correct, the pats never pay".

This makes me feel even more sure that I'm right.

 

[Patjew]

This makes me feel even more sure that I'm right.

OK, but remember that I agree with you, so you may not be so right after all.

 

[Kontradiction]

OK, but remember that I agree with you, so you may not be so right after all.

I blame that on the sauce.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Mo's right, he wasn't there. He saw it on TV and is trying to make it seem like that gives him inside info.

I saw it on TV, too. Guess what: Moss still shouldn't have said "they don't pay".

You never know on these boards when someone with inside info shows up. I play it honest.

If hes posting that kinda stuff on a fan board just to gain a higher level of self-importance, I can't help him.

 

[Patjew]

You never know on these boards when someone with inside info shows up. I play it honest.

If hes posting that kinda stuff on a fan board just to gain a higher level of self-importance, I can't help him.

I think it's just an ESL issue in this case.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think it's just an ESL issue in this case.

Forgive my ignorance...What is ESL...?

 

[Run DMC]

The Krafts need to pry open their wallets with a crowbar and start getting some players. The word is out.

 

[Patjew]

Forgive my ignorance...What is ESL...?

Sorry. English as a Second Language.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

The Krafts need to pry open their wallets with a crowbar and start getting some players. The word is out.

Word has been out for a long time with plenty of exhibits tucked between Ty Law and as recently as Richard Seymour, and now we shall see with Big Vince. If he leaves(traded)......well that cements it

Not saying Pats need to open the wallets like that drunken idiot in Washington, but perception is spreading that "Pats don't keep their core players"

 

[ALP]

look, i love moss as much as the next guy, but we constantly employ 3-5 wr sets...

this means that at most hes 1/3 important to the wr corps, and 1/11 on offense

hes is an amazing asset, but NOT the type of WR to pay 10mil a year to, only a handful of wr's deserve contracts like that, and only two come to mind that i would give it to, those two being larry and andre

moss is a finesse wr, i dont want a fineesee wr, like i dont want a finese football team, like i dont want a finesse New England Patriots

i want a determined, strong, PHYSICAL New England Patriots...and moss is not that, where andre and larry most definetely are, thats why i would pay those guys, but not moss

unless moss wants to take a pay cut of what hes earining right now, he wont be a patriot in 2 years...which is fine by me....as long as we find either multiple above average wr's, or a wr similar to larry and andre

 

[BradyFTW!]

look, i love moss as much as the next guy, but we constantly employ 3-5 wr sets...

this means that at most hes 1/3 important to the wr corps, and 1/11 on offense

hes is an amazing asset, but NOT the type of WR to pay 10mil a year to, only a handful of wr's deserve contracts like that, and only two come to mind that i would give it to, those two being larry and andre

moss is a finesse wr, i dont want a fineesee wr, like i dont want a finese football team, like i dont want a finesse New England Patriots

i want a determined, strong, PHYSICAL New England Patriots...and moss is not that, where andre and larry most definetely are, thats why i would pay those guys, but not moss

unless moss wants to take a pay cut of what hes earining right now, he wont be a patriot in 2 years...which is fine by me....as long as we find either multiple above average wr's, or a wr similar to larry and andre

Tom Brady's only 1/11 of the offense too, is he not worth $10M+?

(Note: I'm not saying that Moss is as good as Brady, or that I think Moss is worth $10M. Just pointing out that that doesn't really hold up)

 

[emoney_33]

Tom Brady's only 1/11 of the offense too, is he not worth $10M+?

(Note: I'm not saying that Moss is as good as Brady, or that I think Moss is worth $10M. Just pointing out that that doesn't really hold up)

Especially when you see the kind of attention paid to the guy and his production even with a separated shoulder. However, if we don't get more receivers it won't matter who the #1 is.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Especially when you see the kind of attention paid to the guy and his production even with a separated shoulder. However, if we don't get more receivers it won't matter who the #1 is.

Yup- any metric that says that Randy Moss and Nick Kaczur contribute equally to the success of the offense probably belongs on the scrap heap.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Wilbon just ripped on the pats on PTI by saying, "Moss is being mature and is correct, the pats never pay".

that's a bad example. since when has wilbon known what he's talking about. he still thinks they were actually spying during spygate and the camera and defensive signals weren't right out in the open for anyone to see.

 

[stavros27]

that's a bad example. since when has wilbon known what he's talking about. he still thinks they were actually spying during spygate and the camera and defensive signals weren't right out in the open for anyone to see.

Oh jeeze...you're not trying to claim that the Pats did nothing wrong or against the rules, are you?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Oh jeeze...you're not trying to claim that the Pats did nothing wrong or against the rules, are you?

Wrong? No. Against the rules? Yes. They filmed signals from an improper location.

 

[patsfan-1982]

look, i love moss as much as the next guy, but we constantly employ 3-5 wr sets...

this means that at most hes 1/3 important to the wr corps, and 1/11 on offense

hes is an amazing asset, but NOT the type of WR to pay 10mil a year to, only a handful of wr's deserve contracts like that, and only two come to mind that i would give it to, those two being larry and andre

moss is a finesse wr, i dont want a fineesee wr, like i dont want a finese football team, like i dont want a finesse New England Patriots

i want a determined, strong, PHYSICAL New England Patriots...and moss is not that, where andre and larry most definetely are, thats why i would pay those guys, but not moss

unless moss wants to take a pay cut of what hes earining right now, he wont be a patriot in 2 years...which is fine by me....as long as we find either multiple above average wr's, or a wr similar to larry and andre

ther is only one larry fitzgerald, the pats will not find any one as good as him in the draft. and andre johnson, is the best WR in the NFL and no one can make the plays that moss makes so why would you not want to keep him.


brady, may never go back to the brady that throw the ball to 10 defrent WR. and if welker, is ever 100% again do you realy think he will be the same WR with out moss to take half the defense down the field with him.


i know moss is old and the pats should be ready for him to move on but if he can still play at a high level after 2010. why not pay him we know the pats are not going to use the money they save on moss, for any one.

 

[Patjew]

Wrong? No. Against the rules? Yes. They filmed signals from an improper location.

Per a memo and not the rulebook.

 

[chevss454]

Word has been out for a long time with plenty of exhibits tucked between Ty Law and as recently as Richard Seymour, and now we shall see with Big Vince. If he leaves(traded)......well that cements it

Not saying Pats need to open the wallets like that drunken idiot in Washington, but perception is spreading that "Pats don't keep their core players"

As Pats fans, we all have seen good players let go by BB for one reason or another. We know BB sets a value for every position and when $$ demands exceed or talent level falls below that predetermined value, a player is cut loose. Sometimes, that player is well-liked (Milloy), sometimes, that player holds out (Seymour, Branch) and sometimes, the player speaks out (Law, A. Thomas?). Whatever the reason, BB has been pretty good at getting the most out of the players he puts on the field. When their values to the team fall short of the cost to the team, BB moves on without remorse.

It may seem cold-hearted to some, but it's how a model business is run in the real world.