Montana and Young versus Brady and Rosen Anyone?

[WaterfallJumper]

Super-atrocious.

Then there's the 0-16 Lions and Browns: Super-califragilisticexpial-atrocious.

 

[Steve102]

Bledsoe was a terrible fit for the BB/Weis offense

I feel like there's a little bit of revisionist history going on here. It was a matter of time before Bledsoe lost his job. He didn't fit what they wanted to do, and wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, witness the 19/21 TD to INT ratio in 1999 and 17/13 in 2000. Not to mention the 8-8 record and 5-11. He was trending in the wrong direction, regardless of his contract situation. Belichick moved on from Bernie Kosar in Cleveland, and would have likely moved on from Drerw in 2002, assuming Bledsoe's numbers continued to trend in the direction they were going. Mo Lewis did BB a solid by moving the timeline up 12 months. People forget there were a whole bunch of folks clamoring for Michael Bishop.

Back to the Rosen issue, I don't see why he's being shown the love, but I am sure some of it has to be that people want to be the first to say SEE I TOLD YOU!!

I prefer to take a wait and see approach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

"The Patriots have shown interest, both publicly and privately, in a number of high-profile quarterback prospects ahead of the 2018 NFL Draft. You can add UCLA's Josh Rosen to the list.

As reported by NESN's Doug Kyed, the Patriots are showing interest in Rosen as they get ready for the draft. The first round kicks off next Thursday at the Dallas Cowboys' AT&T Stadium.

Rosen is widely expected to be drafted early in the first round, and has often been compared to fellow highly regarded QB prospects like Sam Darnold out of USC and Josh Allen out of Wyoming. If the Patriots' interest in Rosen were serious, they'd likely be required to package picks and move up in the draft order to have a chance at selecting him.

The Patriots currently hold the 23rd, 31st, 43rd, and 63rd picks in the first two rounds of the draft. They also own a third-round pick (95th), two sixths (19th and 210th), and a seventh (219th)."

Was the interest real? Who knows.
DW Toys

I think they were interested. How they actually stack-ranked him vs the other Qbs we don't know.

 

[zydecochris]

I don’t dispute they would be interested in Rosen at the right cost. He has potential.

The "problem" for the Patriots is that the most common way of picking up a top level QB, sucking for a year or two and getting top draft picks, is anathema to BB, I think he is as proud of the Patriots's record of sustained success as he is the Rings, tanking just isn't in his DNA.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I feel like there's a little bit of revisionist history going on here. It was a matter of time before Bledsoe lost his job. He didn't fit what they wanted to do, and wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, witness the 19/21 TD to INT ratio in 1999 and 17/13 in 2000. Not to mention the 8-8 record and 5-11. He was trending in the wrong direction, regardless of his contract situation. Belichick moved on from Bernie Kosar in Cleveland, and would have likely moved on from Drerw in 2002, assuming Bledsoe's numbers continued to trend in the direction they were going. Mo Lewis did BB a solid by moving the timeline up 12 months. People forget there were a whole bunch of folks clamoring for Michael Bishop.

Not by me. It was clear as day Drew looked indecisive and uncomfortable running the offense in 2000. I remember yelling at the TV constantly..

The 2000 team offense certainly wasn't loaded with talent but 99.9999% of this board would do cartwheels for a month if our 2019 Opening Night starting WRs were TB80 and Glenn playing a full 16 game season.

Back to the Rosen issue, I don't see why he's being shown the love, but I am sure some of it has to be that people want to be the first to say SEE I TOLD YOU!!

I prefer to take a wait and see approach.

As I said earlier I have no idea if Rosen is good but if BB trades for him whatever. Hes trying to infuse young, economically-friendly talent into a position that needs it and I believe he needs to do it ASAP.

 

[1960Pats]

My question about Rosen is why is a QB-needy team like the Cards dumping him for an unknown like Murray? What did the Cards see that they didn't like?

 

[Ring 6]

The "problem" for the Patriots is that the most common way of picking up a top level QB, sucking for a year or two and getting top draft picks, is anathema to BB, I think he is as proud of the Patriots's record of sustained success as he is the Rings, tanking just isn't in his DNA.

Is it though? I see the following QBs as top tier QBs that didn’t require sucking and getting a high pick.
Brady
Rburger
Brees
Wilson
Mahomes
Rodgers
Cousins


And these that are debatable as top tier
Watson
Jimmy G

That’s a lot more than the few that teams sucked drafted high and they become top tier.

There are MANY top picked QBs who have failed and a bunch now that the jury is out on and more seem likely to not become elite than to get there.

 

[Tunescribe]

That MIGHT be true, but it is very unlikely that Jones will end up being a Patriot, while there IS a greater possibility that Rosen could become one.

If Rosen was coming out of UCLA THIS year he'd be mentioned in the top 3 QB's available in the draft. The Pats don't EVER have a chance at those kinds of guys. Now they can POSSIBLY get one on the rebound. Give the Cards a 2nd and one of the 3 third round picks we will have next year and see what 2 years of good coaching will do for an already talented player. Sitting for 3 years did JG a world of good and like a lot of Patriot FA's, he got PAID!

Are you sold on Rosen's commitment to the game? That's been a knock on him since day one.

 

[TheRainMaker]

My question about Rosen is why is a QB-needy team like the Cards dumping him for an unknown like Murray? What did the Cards see that they didn't like?

Because Kingsberry wants his own guy at quarterback. So if they do take Murray with the number one overall pick, they will probably end up flipping the 10th overall pick in last years draft for a 2nd and change. That is terrible.

 

[DW Toys]

Because Kingsberry wants his own guy at quarterback. So if they do take Murray with the number one overall pick, they will probably end up flipping the 10th overall pick in last years draft for a 2nd and change. That is terrible.

It's true. Kingsberry said before he was coach that he would want him.

Another reason 45 sacks. No way Murray has those numbers. He can move.

Also, the Fan base. They want to see a new offense and not what was served in 2018.

Steve Young was pretty bad his first year starting, yet led the Niners EVENTUALLY to a SB. I am sure the 49er fans wanted to ship him out of town.

Rosen has talent or he does not. BB's call.

Best chance to get a supposed first round talent at QB
DW Toys

 

[kennyb]

Rosen has proven to be a bum who rubs his teammates the wrong way. Creates resentment. I say HARD PASS!

 

[DW Toys]

ATRIOTS QB IN SUPERBOWL WITH PACKERS

Are you sold on Rosen's commitment to the game? That's been a knock on him since day one.

This is true, But if you recall our QB in 1985 our first SB was Tony Eason. They said the same about him. It might have been justified but he was N.F.L. here (not for long). I am sure Parcells thought so.
DW Toys

 

[TheRainMaker]

It's true. Kingsberry said before he was coach that he would want him.

Another reason 45 sacks. No way Murray has those numbers. He can move.

Also, the Fan base. They want to see a new offense and not what was served in 2018.

Steve Young was pretty bad his first year starting, yet led the Niners EVENTUALLY to a SB. I am sure the 49er fans wanted to ship him out of town.

Rosen has talent or he does not. BB's call.

Best chance to get a supposed first round talent at QB
DW Toys

Speaking of Steve Young, he really took at lot of heat or having that “monkey on his back” but his teams dealt with injuries at the worst times and had to face the Cowboys and Packers super teams.

He also didn’t get much help with the running game from ‘95,’96,’97 until Garrison Hearst blew up in 1998. Then Hurst goes down on the first play of the 1998 Divisional playoffs vs the Falcons.

Young was a damn good QB and it’s a shame his career was cut short.

 

[patfanken]

Are you sold on Rosen's commitment to the game? That's been a knock on him since day one.

I am until you can show me some quote from his time with the Cardinals that says something different. Larry Fitzgerald seems to think highly of him.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Rosen had a very poor first year. His stats were horrible particularly in this era where anything below a 90 QB rating is well below average. That said, his team stunk and he had very little to work with. Goff stunk his first year as well and was able to turn things around. I have no idea what his upside is but it BB thinks he can become a top 10 QB in a few years then it is certainly worth a late 2nd rounder as a flyer.

 

[kennyb]

Brady and rosen are opposites...brady looks like the all american guy, acts that way, plays that way, people love him. Especially teammates.

Rosen rosen is physically ugly, rubs his teammates the wrong way, is obnoxious and graceless and his teammates don't like him.

No thanks.

 

[Flash]

Comparing rookie Rosen to rookie Brady makes no sense whatsoever. OBVIOUSLY 99% of the rookie QBs are going to be worse than the greatest QB of all time.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't take a chance on Rosen though. If we can find the next potential franchise QB we have to do it. Fact is, Brady is turning 42 this summer. Even if Brady manages to play until 45 we should always have a young, talented QB behind him.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I wish we could have cryogenically frozen Jimmy G. until Brady hung them up. I have little doubt that would have been a Montana-Young type of situation. He would have been spectacular in NE with the only major question his durability (jury still out.). Hope they can find someone in that same general ballpark, but man, I think he really was THE perfect guy to take the reigns. Oh well. Sometimes you are just forced to make a decision like that. They made the right decision, but it still stings.

 

[patfanken]

Pro football weekly called the patriots the team farthest away from the Sb before the 2001 season. They were 0-2 and looking worse than the previous years 5-11 when mo Lewis changed the future of the NFL

I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that article.

Someone with internet skills should find it and either post it or give us a link. It would be good for some of the younger fans to ground them with what it was like to be a Pats fan BEFORE 2001.

BTW- IIRC the article named the Pats as the LEAST likely team to get to a superbowl in the next FIVE years. I can't remember who the other 4 teams mentioned as well. Though I can't remember the guys name (Stan Fishler or something?) he was a VERY respected analyst st the time and even the most rabid Pats fan would have had trouble contesting what he wrote in the spring of 2001. It looked UGLY for the Pats that off season....and then it all changed

 

[Ring 6]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that article.

Someone with internet skills should find it and either post it or give us a link. It would be good for some of the younger fans to ground them with what it was like to be a Pats fan BEFORE 2001.

BTW- IIRC the article named the Pats as the LEAST likely team to get to a superbowl in the next FIVE years. I can't remember who the other 4 teams mentioned as well. Though I can't remember the guys name (Stan Fishler or something?) he was a VERY respected analyst st the time and even the most rabid Pats fan would have had trouble contesting what he wrote in the spring of 2001. It looked UGLY for the Pats that off season....and then it all changed

Joel Buschbaum