Mayo's saccharine SJW approach includes 'bro hugs' for the media

[Jlaff]

Yes, of course you have a point. Maybe this radical new approach will be wildly successful. But after plunking down more than $3k for season tickets following 8-9 and 4-13 seasons, I chafe a bit at being told to "be patient," especially with all this SJW emphasis from the head coach. I have yet to see Mayo express or demonstrate a sense of urgency about WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES in 2024.

Damn, so many people banned and pushed out that Tunes is forced to fill the radical right-winger role.

 

[Tunescribe]

Damn, so many people banned and pushed out that Tunes is forced to fill the radical right-winger role.

Meh. My orientation always has been whatever makes the most sense. I want my football team to kick ass and win games, not be poster boys for the social crusades.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf hope drafting Drake Maye leads New England Patriots into next era of success

Can Drake Maye start a new era of success with the New England Patriots? Cameron Wolfe talks to Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf and Maye about how the QB ended up going to the team third overall in the 2024 NFL Draft -- and what the future might hold.

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"Robyn Glaser, who oversees all business elements of the football team."
"Notably, an asterisk is incorporated with each phrase, highlighting a key word: we, works, payoff, together."
"The asterisk symbolizes the north star, because, as Glaser said, the north star "constantly moves but it's something we always strive for." This is another core idea for the team."
"process to progress to payoff."

WTF. I just threw up in my mouth.
Talk about some corporate nonsense. If things don't work out, maybe she can get a job as a marketing executive for Bud Light.

 

[turkeyneck]

Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf hope drafting Drake Maye leads New England Patriots into next era of success

Can Drake Maye start a new era of success with the New England Patriots? Cameron Wolfe talks to Jerod Mayo, Eliot Wolf and Maye about how the QB ended up going to the team third overall in the 2024 NFL Draft -- and what the future might hold.

www.nfl.com

"Robyn Glaser, who oversees all business elements of the football team."
"Notably, an asterisk is incorporated with each phrase, highlighting a key word: we, works, payoff, together."
"The asterisk symbolizes the north star, because, as Glaser said, the north star "constantly moves but it's something we always strive for." This is another core idea for the team."
"process to progress to payoff."

WTF. I just threw up in my mouth.
Talk about some corporate nonsense. If things don't work out, maybe she can get a job as a marketing executive for Bud Light.

I don't think they have the faintest clue as to the role of the North Star ( i.e., Polaris, the Pole Star) in celestial navigation. You're right, these are just words to feel good by. Their actual meaning is irrelevant.

 

[DarrylS]

Still two months away from TC and there is a contingent that is ready to run Mayo out of town because of an effort to try to change the recent losing culture of this team??
A few posters or second hand comments won't tell us as much the season will.
Note of thanks to Sports Talk radio who plant the seeds of how bad this team is daily and how it will not improve...

 

[signbabybrady]

I don't think they have the faintest clue as to the role of the North Star ( i.e., Polaris, the Pole Star) in celestial navigation. You're right, these are just words to feel good by. Their actual meaning is irrelevant.

Can you explain it to us? And how they missed the mark so bad?

 

[Gumby]

Can you explain it to us? And how they missed the mark so bad?

How about you start w:

„Something to strive for…“

Exactly how many LIGHT-YEARs away is that star?
How do you strive for that?

I agree w/ tukeyneck that it is a senseless platitude metaphor.

But I also don’t really care. ACTIONS speak louder.

Let’s see what OTAs, pass camp and TC (at least) bring before condemning his whole approach.

Last thought: Most of us posters are 1,2,3 (me) age groupings past the current 21-28 year olds. Maybe it means more to them than us. [for ex: The Columbia students are (fascist) martians to me too. ]

 

[turkeyneck]

Can you explain it to us? And how they missed the mark so bad?

Polaris is a key feature in celestial navigation precisely because it does NOT move, giving a FIXED reference point above the North Pole. It is with reference to Polaris that, for example, the Vikings were able to know their latitude anywhere at sea whilst on their transatlantic voyages.

 

[Thelonious]

Personally.. I feel he has bills coaching principles ingrained in him as a Former player and coach. As a fan I enjoy watching the Interviews, the players amd coaches expressing themselves being more open and feeling like they can be more of themselves. Listening to pep & Uche you can tell these respect the heck out of bill but are embracing mayo, and will play hard for him. To your excellent point Mayo's not a carbon copy of bill like the others before him. Hopefully it translates to wins!

The trend in discussion of this matter seems a little off to me. We have moved from one coach to another. I think we would do well to regard this, to the extent possible, as a chance to start over. In dwelling too much of the respects in which Mayo is or is not like Bill, or is a corrective for the effects of Bill's work, I think we distract ourselves too much from that work of starting over. Aside perhaps from giving a little context to our analysis, what diffrence do those differences or similarities actually make? Mayo is here; Belichick is not. Let's focus on what is, not on what no longer is. To the extent we do the latter, we run risk of being like the woman who, having dumped an angry, aggressive boyfriend, now commits, with an unhealthy degree of obsession, an equally unsuitable wimp of a man.

 

[Tunescribe]

Still two months away from TC and there is a contingent that is ready to run Mayo out of town because of an effort to try to change the recent losing culture of this team??
A few posters or second hand comments won't tell us as much the season will.
Note of thanks to Sports Talk radio who plant the seeds of how bad this team is daily and how it will not improve...

Yes, the kvetching very well might be nothing but premature noise that becomes moot. And as you say, the proof will be in the pudding. But this particular pudding recipe appears to include corn syrup, artificial coloring, ersatz fillers and little nutritive substance -- at least, so far.

 

[PScottman]

Well I tried to find any studies that deep dived and contrasted the "players coach" with the "disciplinarian" league-wide to see if either had a leg up on winning percentage, but am unable to find any studies (just blog posts - not the same because the odds of those having actual research behind them are the same as what I'm writing right now - 0).

That said, there are too many other variables to consider...many of which we often hear in these forums - offensive minded vs defensive minded for example; super delegator or micromanager might be another to consider...ultimately though it's probably (and this is just 100% opinion on my part again without research) more about three things - leadership ability, managerial acumen, and teaching ability.

Leadership - does the team respect the coach and therefore take requested actions without questioning/pushback and exert effort in the same way especially over time?

Managerial - a subset of leadership, does the operation run smoothly - are there good processes and procedures in place for all aspects of the organization? For a coach this is more so on the field (practice/games), but with tendrils in Human Resources, media, medical, financial, etc

Teaching - a coach's primary role more than any other is to take players and ultimately make them 1. better then THEY are personally and professionally and 2. synchronize that improvement across the WHOLE team such that the whole is MUCH greater than the sum of its parts.

That's how I'm going to measure Coach Mayo. Not by single actions disconnected from the whole, but upon review of the team's performance. I've never been a predictor...I suck at it. Evaluator? With actual empirical evidence to look back on? There I'm not so terrible.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Arguably the GOAT coach was just fired and replaced by a neophyte implementing polar opposite team culture philosophy. You don't consider that worth discussing? This is a message board for football fans, after all.

"Arguably the GOAT coach was just fired"

Yes, no question that he is the GOAT. So he had more latitude than any other coach would have had. He had four major screw-ups.

1. He messed up the succession from the GOAT quarterback. Whatever the background story is and whoever was responsible, relations with Brady soured and yet Belichick did not have a plan in place to replace him when he left.​

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2. He splurged in free agency and got very poor value, at the same time pushing the team so tightly against the cap again that their freedom of action was badly compromised.​

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3. He messed up the departure of Josh McDaniels. Of course, coaches leave to be head coaches, but Belichick let McDaniels take pretty much all of the offensive staff with him. Instead, he installed Judge and Patricia as key offensive coaches and the results were terrible -- not just in terms of losses, but in destroying the development of what had looked to be a promising young quarterback.​

4. When he brought in professional offensive coaches (O'Brien, Klemm) things got even worse. There seems to have been some kind of a purge of the disaffected during the Judge/Patricia experiment (Hoyer, Meyers, Wynn) and the newly-acquired players were a big drop-off (Elliott, Smith-Schuster). Not only was Belichick restricting who he drafted to players he felt he could get along with (not an unreasonable thing to do) but he was falling out with too many of those he did bring in (Jack Jones).​

So it was time for a change, even if Belichick didn't know it.

"and replaced by a neophyte implementing polar opposite team culture philosophy"

The team had three kinds of option, I think.

1. It's striking that pretty much everyone off the Belichick coaching tree who moved on to be a head coach (Mangini, Crennel, Judge, Patricia, McDaniels) got fired. Maybe Flores was unfairly canned and O'Brien had some success before he was let go. But it's not a good record and it shows that what worked once for Belichick didn't seem to work for others. Should the Patriots have tried what failed in New York, Cleveland, Detroit, Denver, etc., etc. and appointed a Belichick Mini-Me?​

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2. They could have cleaned things out completely and gone for a coach with a quite different background and approach. The only one around who looked promising like that was Harbaugh. Not an easy man to work with or play for, by all accounts. It would have been a big gamble.​

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3. So they opted for a kind of mixed continuity-discontinuity approach. I have no idea whether Mayo has the strength of character to make that work. Maybe it's too milk-and-cookies to succeed in the NFL. I don't know. Just as I don't know if Drake Maye has it to be an NFL franchise quarterback.​

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But it's not a stupid choice and I'll back the team while we find out.

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[Thelonious]

The BB defenders are still hanging onto his ghost even though he is very much alive, just not employed by any NFL team because nobody wanted to hire him even after all compensation strings were removed by Kraft.

This sounds like just more of a case of 'complain, complain, we don't like the new guy'.

People need to take a chill pill and stop sounding like Karens. You know who was a "rah rah" guy? Pete Carroll. And he ended up not being the right guy for New England but he did end up winning a championship with the Seahawks and he gave those fans some pretty good years.

I'm not saying Mayo is Pete Carroll but he definitely has the reputation of being a player's coach, and that's ok even if it's different because player coaches can win in the NFL. Just give him some time and see how this plays out. Not a single snap has been made in training camp yet and the complaints are coming already. What because of a few pictures on the wall and different slogans put up? This is baffling.

Yep, the argument around these issues gets sort of weird. Bill was fired for being an abysmal GM toward the end and an erratic, declining HC. That he was a grump had, in my mind, little to do with it. This also means. very importantly, that it makes no sense as you choose your next coach to base that choice on any candidate's NOT being a grump. So the F what? Bill's grumpiness had nothing to do with his failings, and Jerrod's much-ballyhooed niceness will have nothing whatever to do with his success, if he has any, unless he grows so fond of being praised for his niceness that he forgets about developing as an actual football coach. I am concerned, frankly, that that might be exactly what could happen.

 

[Captain Cliche]

As far as head coach succession, I think they got it right.

Better one year too early than one year too late.
IMHO Mayo was a hot commodity and was going to get HC offers elsewhere...if he wasn't already turning them down.

My guess is BB was going to go all in on offense like he went all in on D the previous year. That seemed to be his style.
My thought process at the time was "Give him one more year. He earned it".
The reality is, he probably would have at least semi-screwed it up...while risking losing Mayo.

Mayo was a hardnosed and intelligent player and I assume he will be the same as a head coach.

I also feel they are swinging the pendulum too far in the opposite direction.
Quit referencing Bill would have done this...Bill wouldn't have done that. It smells of either disrespect or obsession. Not a good look.
I have moved on. They should too.

And Lord, FFS back off the Kumbaya, Thunder Chicken, etc. You got the job.
As you posters so eloquently put it:
"Milk and cookies." and "this particular pudding recipe appears to include corn syrup, artificial coloring, ersatz fillers and little nutritive substance." My first thought was pecan pie recipe...sugar, brown sugar, and corn syrup. WOOF!!!

Final rant with reference to the North Star:
Does anyone have to take science courses in college anymore? Do a little research before you publicly embarrass yourself. "Here, let me Google that for you!!" You get paid way too much to come up with stupid **** like that. Minimum run it by somebody.

 

[yukon cornelius]

What really bugs me is that their twit is so much more entertaining than our twit.

If by entertaining you mean really ****ing annoying, sure

 

[VJCPatriot]

That's how I'm going to measure Coach Mayo. Not by single actions disconnected from the whole, but upon review of the team's performance. I've never been a predictor...I suck at it. Evaluator? With actual empirical evidence to look back on? There I'm not so terrible.

Bottom line is wins and losses. That's the one stat line that never lies.

There are going to be growing pains and changes that people don't like associated with a new Head Coach.

That's going to hold true for anyone, whether Kraft hired Mayo or Jim Harbaugh.

I can't see the future. I'd rather give these guys a chance to get to work first and judge them based on the results.

Some companies take their employees on retreat and sing Koombaya around campfires. It really doesn't matter what they do as long as the company is producing results with those employees.

Football franchises are built around those employees - coaches and players. Let them build and let us see the result of those labors on the field.

Pretenders are easily smoked out in the NFL because the results on the gird iron can be seen by everyone. There's no place to hide at the end of the day.

We're in a rebuild. Give em a couple of years to build it and we'll see what they are really made of. Hopefully it's the good stuff.