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I am thinking Paul Kruger from Utah. I think he has the talent and the smarts to play OLB for us.
 
How about Mitch King from Iowa for that role? Didn't we already try Klecko at this before...

I was going to bring up the Kecko experimental failure. Then there was the bob Golic failure too.
 
I am thinking Paul Kruger from Utah. I think he has the talent and the smarts to play OLB for us.

I had great hopes for Kruger, but was very disappointed with what I saw at the combine, particularly in the drills where he looked still and with poor ball awareness compared to what I had hoped for. He looked more like a 4-3 end than a 3-4 OLB to me.
 
While I like your three players, I am greedy. I would also want to see an OG by the end of the first day.

I think Maualuga is the bomb. He and Mayo would absolutely ravage offenses for years. I dont understand where all the haters are coming from, this guy has been a star on one of the best college defenses since his Freshman year.

The idea that fans are toying with the idea of Connor Barwin at #23 is almost as idiotic as the idea of passing on Maualuga at #23. The one guy is a complete question mark that measures well and had one good year on a crummy team. The other has been the star and defensive captain of a team that has been arguably the best team in college the last few years.

I promise that BB will not draft Barwin in the first round. And I know he would take Maualuga at #23, if he somehow lasted that long. I think he'd even consider moving up a few spots.

BB could end Day One with Rey Maualuga inside, Larry English outside and Rashad Johnson in the secondary, and have the cornerstones of a fast, strong, young defense for years.

Note: According to the chart, #23 + #58 = #15. That sounds just about right, to me.
 
While I like your three players, I am greedy. I would also want to see an OG by the end of the first day.

With you, mg. Would you settle for OC/OG Antoine Caldwell in the 3rd?

Alabama guy = Saban guy. Got his degree in three years, so he's no dummy. Two years as team captain.

I don't know him from a hole in the ground, but his size is the same as (slightly larger than) Koppen.
 
I think Maualuga is the bomb. He and Mayo would absolutely ravage offenses for years. I dont understand where all the haters are coming from, this guy has been a star on one of the best college defenses since his Freshman year.

The idea that fans are toying with the idea of Connor Barwin at #23 is almost as idiotic as the idea of passing on Maualuga at #23. The one guy is a complete question mark that measures well and had one good year on a crummy team. The other has been the star and defensive captain of a team that has been arguably the best team in college the last few years.

I promise that BB will not draft Barwin in the first round. And I know he would take Maualuga at #23, if he somehow lasted that long. I think he'd even consider moving up a few spots.

BB could end Day One with Rey Maualuga inside, Larry English outside and Rashad Johnson in the secondary, and have the cornerstones of a fast, strong, young defense for years.

Note: According to the chart, #23 + #58 = #15. That sounds just about right, to me.

It must be nice to have your certainty and predictive powers. Personally, I don't think anything is a given when it comes to predictive what Belichick will do.

Of course Maualuga is not a "borderline JAG". He's obviously a talented player, as is Laurinaitis. The question is whether he fits the Pats and whether he is value at 23.

I personally question using 2 consecutive 1st round picks on ILB. Sure, it would be nice to have a long-term partner for Mayo at SILB, but Guyton showed significant potential, Adalius Thomas can always move inside, and there are significant other needs. The pass rush was anemic in 2008 and was one of our biggest deficiencies. Much as I would like to see a solid SILB to pair with Mayo, I personally feel the pass rush is a greater issue, but it's certainly debatable.

Is Maualuga a good fit for the Pats and a good value at 23? I year ago most would have jumped at the possibility. At the beginning of the season most would have dreamed of him falling to 23. But I'm not sure he is more than a 2-down thumper in the Pats system, and I'm not sure that justifies him at 23. He seems to lack some mobility and pass coverage ability, not to mention instincts.

The fact is, every year there are a bunch of hyped players who end up being busts while lesser knowns become solid players or stars. Chad Jackson and Greg Jennings is a painful case in point. In 2003 we just missed out on Jimmy Kennedy at DT (going #12 to the Rams, hyped as a potential #1 pick by many including CNNSI going into the college season) and "reached" for Ty Warren at #13. I was disappointed at the time that we had just missed out on the last "stud" DT. Kennedy has been a bust and Warren has been excellent for us. In retrospect I doubt BB would have taken Kennedy over Warren, but we'll never know for sure. In 2005 Derrick Johnson from Texas was the star-studded LB with the all-American track record and DeMarcus Ware was a small-college guy who blew up the combine. 4 years later it seems obvious which is the better player. There are dozens more similar examples.

Of course, equally often a well-known player gets over-analyzed and put under the microscope to the point where their productivity gets overlooked and they drop. We won't known which is the case with Maualuga until years from now.

If Maualuga and some "star" potential 3-4 OLB like Everett Brown (who Pat Kirwan had falling to the Pats in a recent mock draft) were both available at 23, who would you choose? I suspect most would pick Brown based on the pass rush being the bigger need.

I personally think Barwin is still a reach at #23 (and I've been on the Barwin bandwagon for a while) and see him more as an option around #. But I do think that if Belichick feels that any player is his guy, he won't care what the draft boards and media hype says, and will "reach" for that player if he feels that the player won't last till the next pick. That could just as conceivable happen with Barwin as could BB taking Maualuga.
 
Belichick is unpredictable because his evaluation of players is the only thing that counts. But he is at least consistent. He picks players who are smart, strong, versatile. He picks guys that are good tacklers. What's unpredictable is that he reads his own scouting reports, not DraftCountdown.com, to form his opinion.

The reason I am confident that Barwin doesn't fit at #23 is the lack of film. All Belichick first rounders have been in tough games against top competition... so he can build a personal conviction that the kid is legit. Barwin doesn't have the table stakes to go in the top-25. That's all.

Maualuga's film is overwhelming, to the point where the Senior Bowl stuff is an asterix on a resume which is four years in the making. Belichick has been watching Maualuga film for years... he couldn't miss it-- BB drafted Oscar Lua, who got benched as a Senior to make room for Maualuga.

So, I don't know if BB likes Maualuga for the Pats, or if he likes Barwin for the Pats. But on credentials alone, the risk-value story between the two are entirely different.
 
Seriously people, where's the love for Maualaga. I remember last year some of the fans on here were disappointed at the fact that he chose to go back to school (When we had a top 10 pick). Now that he's in the draft, and may drop down as a late 1st, nobody wants him. But honestly I would take him especially if he dropped to 23rd. Isn't that the way Wilfork fell and look what we got out of him, the best 3-4 DT in the league. I would take a chance on a supposebly top 10 pick at 23rd next to the 2008 top 10 pick in Mayo. Out of those two, that would be future leadership and domination in the middle.

I think a lot of it is East Coast backlash vs. USC players. I live out in LA now so follow USC, and Rey is going to be the real deal. It's funny, because I'll pay attention to SC players when people talk about them on this board, and without fail 9/10 times people will always have something negative to say about SC guys. Just the nature of the Internet.
 
... he couldn't miss it-- BB drafted Oscar Lua, who got benched as a Senior to make room for Maualuga.

Really..you want to make that argument? Belichick drafted Lua in the 7th round, and since Maualuga beat him out of a job, he's worth taking at #23?
 
yes.
My preference is for Unger, Mack or Wood; but yes.

With you, mg. Would you settle for OC/OG Antoine Caldwell in the 3rd?

Alabama guy = Saban guy. Got his degree in three years, so he's no dummy. Two years as team captain.

I don't know him from a hole in the ground, but his size is the same as (slightly larger than) Koppen.
 
Belichick is unpredictable because his evaluation of players is the only thing that counts. But he is at least consistent. He picks players who are smart, strong, versatile. He picks guys that are good tacklers. What's unpredictable is that he reads his own scouting reports, not DraftCountdown.com, to form his opinion.

The reason I am confident that Barwin doesn't fit at #23 is the lack of film. All Belichick first rounders have been in tough games against top competition... so he can build a personal conviction that the kid is legit. Barwin doesn't have the table stakes to go in the top-25. That's all.

Maualuga's film is overwhelming, to the point where the Senior Bowl stuff is an asterix on a resume which is four years in the making. Belichick has been watching Maualuga film for years... he couldn't miss it-- BB drafted Oscar Lua, who got benched as a Senior to make room for Maualuga.

So, I don't know if BB likes Maualuga for the Pats, or if he likes Barwin for the Pats. But on credentials alone, the risk-value story between the two are entirely different.

I'm not sure what "credentials" mean. Maualuga has been a 4 year starter for USC. But he appears limited in his game and doesn't show the greatest versatility or intelligence. He was out of shape, sloppy and poorly prepared for the biggest job interview of his life.

For the record, while I have been a fan of Barwin's for 6 months, up till January 15 he wasn't my 1st choice at LB for the Pats. I think that Sergio Kindle from Texas has the potential to be a Ware-like player. I was disappointed (but not surprised) when he decided not to come out, and had he come out I would have loved to see how his agility numbers matched up with Barwin's. He will probably end up with similar size (around 6'4", 254# though he played a bit lighter for Texas in 2008), and has great speed, plus experience at LB. I also would have liked to take a hard look at Mark Herzlich from BC. Unfortunately, both those guys are likely to be top 20 picks next year.

As Patchick noted, it's rare to get a potential pro bowl 3-4 OLB at pick #23. Barwin has much better physical upside than Wimbley, Carpenter or Lawson (Lawson comes closest), and none of those lasted to #23.

I'm not sure what "tough games against top competition" means. Cincinnati won the Big East and played against top teams. Certainly better competition than Logan Mankins faced in 2005. I think there's plenty of film on Barwin to assess his game.
 
Matt Wiliamson on ESPN Chat today:

"Trade up a smidge for Ray M from USC with that first one? OLB with the next pick? SO many options. NEng is stacked".

It's nice to know I am not alone !!
 
Matt Wiliamson on ESPN Chat today:

"Trade up a smidge for Ray M from USC with that first one? OLB with the next pick? SO many options. NEng is stacked".

It's nice to know I am not alone !!
You're going to consider ESPN corroboration?
 
I also would have liked to take a hard look at Mark Herzlich from BC.

Herzlich is going to be a good player, but he won't be a 3-4 guy. He belongs in a 4-3 as a OLB, and will probably excel there.
 
Herzlich is going to be a good player, but he won't be a 3-4 guy. He belongs in a 4-3 as a OLB, and will probably excel there.

You're probably right, which is why I said "take a hard look at" him. He'll probably be a 3-4 SAM, but he could potentially be a 3-4 SILB. Sergio Kindle, on the other hand, looks like he could develop into a terrific 3-4 OLB.
 
I'm not sure what "credentials" mean. Maualuga has been a 4 year starter for USC. But he appears limited in his game and doesn't show the greatest versatility or intelligence. He was out of shape, sloppy and poorly prepared for the biggest job interview of his life.

I wasn't suposed to tell anyone... but I have a weak will. The Patriots told Maualuga to take it easy during the post season so they could take him at 23. There, the cat is out of the bag I feel better.

Maualuga was the heart and soul of one of the best defenses in college history.. but people still want to be haters. I have reservations and fears that he has peaked but still am comfortable projecting him an above average or better NFL LB.

Maualuga at 23 and Johnson/Barwin at 32, defense is instantly younger, faster and more athletic.
 
I wasn't suposed to tell anyone... but I have a weak will. The Patriots told Maualuga to take it easy during the post season so they could take him at 23. There, the cat is out of the bag I feel better.

Maualuga was the heart and soul of one of the best defenses in college history.. but people still want to be haters. I have reservations and fears that he has peaked but still am comfortable projecting him an above average or better NFL LB.

Maualuga at 23 and Johnson/Barwin at 32, defense is instantly younger, faster and more athletic.

He's obviously done a good job of taking their advice.

I'm not a "hater". Maualuga has some obvious assets and upside. But he has also looked non-chalant about approaching the biggest job interview process in his life, which is not terribly reassuring. Add that to some concerns about limitations in his game, and taking him is not at all obvious.
 
As I seem to be in a minority, I'll take whatever I can get.

You're singing to the choir.

The people here who are digging their heals in the sand over the idea had their minds made up weeks or months ago and now focus on supposed character issues [BB's doesn't know how to deal with that at all ], character issues about other USC players and the program itself!!, and Rey's underwhelming combine and unpreparedness to "interview for a job" [really a bad analogy when, among other things, you consider 4 years of solid performance speaks for itself] to try to counter what is increasingly solid case that Rey makes a lot of sense for us right now.

What they DO seem to agree on is that the Pats' need a major upgrade at LB--probably SILB being as important as OLB, that there's alot of room to upgrade over Guyton/Bruschi, quality LBs are the heart of BB's defenses, that we need a better pass rush from more than just the OLB position, and that Rey is about as versatile and physical an ILB as you can get.

I agree that BB doesn't usually take the "sexiest" pick, but this year it might just come together that way.
 
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