Mayo 8:30 press conference (Edit: Names Brissett the starter)

[PatsFan2]

Brissett after hearing the news...

Half of us including myself.

 

[lancerman]

I'm more interested in you telling us which rookie QBs picked in the top 3 who's career ended because they got hurt in their rookie season.

Because you're talking about a scenario that doesn't apply to the Patriots in the random HOF QBs your name dropping.

RGIII. Picked 2 overall. Got hurt in the playoff game of his rookie season. Dumb coach was desperate and kept him on the field. Completely declined and was never able to stay on the field again. Totally burned his career.

 

[festy1986]

RGIII. Picked 2 overall. Got hurt in the playoff game of his rookie season. Dumb coach was desperate and kept him on the field. Completely declined and was never able to stay on the field again. Totally burned his career.

Great. So maye gets us to the playoffs and then we worry about his health.

What's the issue?

 

[lancerman]

Great. So maye gets us to the playoffs and then we worry about his health.

What's the issue?

Maye gets us to the playoffs if a miracle happens, this team is not as good as that Washington team. Then we lose our QB and go into QB purgatory for a decade like Washington. Hope a one and done is worth it

 

[festy1986]

Maye gets us to the playoffs if a miracle happens, this team is not as good as that Washington team. Then we lose our QB and go into QB purgatory for a decade like Washington. Hope a one and done is worth it

The point is, even in your own selected scenario, you've described a outstanding success.

Guess what? Rg3 didn't make it cause he sucked. Not because he got hurt.

They didn't go into purgatory QB hell either. They had a better QB in the waiting. Someone who has performed very well.

Pay your home grown talent.

 

[Rob0729]

Can we get off this seesaw of extremes?

1) No ones getting ruined because they sit and develop and no one’s getting ruined because they start week 1. Quit cherry picking individuals that conveniently support one end of the spectrum or the other. There’s no one right answer in how to develop a young player, otherwise we’d all just do it that way.

2) Maye can have performed better on the field and still not “win” a competition. Both things can be true. What you do on the field is only a piece of the puzzle. Maye looked just as bad as Brissett in joint practices and only after getting the “answers to the test” did he look better against the Eagles. I imagine Jacoby has a lot more answers to a lot more tests at this point and giving Drake time to learn that isn’t a bad thing. Plus this offense and this staff are also learning and developing- the whole operation can improve by having a known commodity at QB.

I think it was widely accepted when we drafted Drake we should be patient with his development, but now that it’s time to be patient there’s a group losing their collective minds because we’ve seen 3 weeks of preseason games against backups.

No one gets ruined starting day one? Tell that to Zach Wilson. There is a guy who desperately needed to sit a year and learn how read defenses and make quick decisions. He probably still would have not been any good, but he wouldn’t have become the absolute disaster he became. But that guy had no business starting year one.

 

[Real fan 02]

RGIII. Picked 2 overall. Got hurt in the playoff game of his rookie season. Dumb coach was desperate and kept him on the field. Completely declined and was never able to stay on the field again. Totally burned his career.

Yes. He was hurt and never should have been cleared to play. Then again we are talking about the then owned synder Washington team.

 

[lancerman]

The point is, even in your own selected scenario, you've described a outstanding success.

Guess what? Rg3 didn't make it cause he sucked. Not because he got hurt.

They didn't go into purgatory QB hell either. They had a better QB in the waiting. Someone who has performed very well.

Pay your home grown talent.

RGIII looked amazing his first year. He looked like he was going to be a force in this league. His rookie year was probably better than any rookie year since him by a wide margin.

He didn't fail because he sucked. He failed because that injury destroyed him and he couldn't stay on the field after. He was not the same runner he was, which was part of his game. They rushed him back earlier the next year and had to pull him anyways because they were afraid of injury. He immediately got injured the next year. The next year he was injured in the pre season, was not medically cleared to play so he lost the job to Kirk Cousins who became a legitimate starter. That ended his career in Washington. The next year RGIII was placed on IR in September. Then he went to the Ravens and backed up Joe Flacco and Lamaer Jackson before retiring.

They completely screwed his career up in the worst way. It wasn't "oh he was always bad". You can't just say "oh every QB that proves this wrong was bad anyways so it doesn't matter".

 

[festy1986]

RGIII looked amazing his first year. He looked like he was going to be a force in this league. His rookie year was probably better than any rookie year since him by a wide margin.

He didn't fail because he sucked. He failed because that injury destroyed him and he couldn't stay on the field after. He was not the same runner he was, which was part of his game. They rushed him back earlier the next year and had to pull him anyways because they were afraid of injury. He immediately got injured the next year. The next year he was injured in the pre season, was not medically cleared to play so he lost the job to Kirk Cousins who became a legitimate starter. That ended his career in Washington. The next year RGIII was placed on IR in September. Then he went to the Ravens and backed up Joe Flacco and Lamaer Jackson before retiring.

They completely screwed his career up in the worst way. It wasn't "oh he was always bad". You can't just say "oh every QB that proves this wrong was bad anyways so it doesn't matter".

He failed because he didn't have it. Everyone gets injured.

 

[Uptown]

No chance..

 

[lancerman]

He failed because he didn't have it. Everyone gets injured.

Okay if you don't want to have a real discussion then don't play games. If Maye started, this entire fanbase would kill for him to play at the level RGIII played before his injury problems.

 

[Clieb]

No one gets ruined starting day one? Tell that to Zach Wilson. There is a guy who desperately needed to sit a year and learn how read defenses and make quick decisions. He probably still would have not been any good, but he wouldn’t have become the absolute disaster he became. But that guy had no business starting year one.

I dunno man… how do you say in the same sentence he was ruined starting week 1 AND he probably still would not have been any good??

Water finds its level in this league. Did they do him any favors? Maybe not. If you read the next sentences of my post… I’m saying you can find 1-2 guys who fit your argument one way or the other and it doesn’t have any predictive power so it’s just a lot of hot air to say one way is right and the other is wrong.

 

[festy1986]

Okay if you don't want to have a real discussion then don't play games. If Maye started, this entire fanbase would kill for him to play at the level RGIII played before his injury problems.

Agreed. So it's time to play him.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

No chance..

8 of the top 10 QBs right now have played significant amount of games in their rookie year.

If it was as simple as sit your QB a year and he will be good everybody would do it. But it’s not because the teams realized right fully that Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady are outliers.

The decision to not start Maye has been driven by fear and that a sign that Mayo isn’t HC material. Like Lynn decided that Tyrod Taylor was a better choice than Herbert or McDermott choosing Petterman over Allen.

 

[Rob0729]

I dunno man… how do you say in the same sentence he was ruined starting week 1 AND he probably still would not have been any good??

Water finds its level in this league. Did they do him any favors? Maybe not. If you read the next sentences of my post… I’m saying you can find 1-2 guys who fit your argument one way or the other and it doesn’t have any predictive power so it’s just a lot of hot air to say one way is right and the other is wrong.

You can ruin average or mediocre QBs. Belichick ruined Mac Jones. He may never had become much of anything if Belichick didn’t.

And I say Wilson might not have been any good just because he has leadership and personality issues that I think would hinder him even if he learned to read defenses better and became more disciplined to make quicker reads. But he might be a top 15 QB.

And there are probably far more first round bust QBs that might have turned into a good or even great player If they were groomed correctly than any of us realize. There are plenty of QBs who were drafted with immense raw talent but lacked a lot of fundamentals like Maye who were thrown into the fire right away by bad teams and failed. How many of those QB might have turned into good or great QBs if those teams had patience and sat them like the Chiefs did with Mahomes?

Would Jordan Love had been any good if he started right away? The guy seems to be a different and much more rounded QB than the guy we saw in his limited playing time during his rookie season.

 

[Real fan 02]

Flacco ya, the other two are back ups. So's Brissett, but that's splitting hairs. The point is that whatever vet signed on to be a mentor was starting week one.

After 24 hours to take everything in. Like watching a guy you knew with your ex girl.. we have to move on.

Let's HOPE the team can at least be competitive against Burrow. I think that will do more for the confidence of the players and coaches. I also want mayo to get his first win!

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Plus, Maye looks like the real deal and Jones never did.

Mac Jones was second to Ja'Marr Chase in NFL offensive rookie of the year voting in 2021.

Of course it all went to hell after that.

 

[PatsFan2]

After 24 hours to take everything in. Like watching a guy you knew with your ex girl.. we have to move on.

Let's HOPE the team can at least be competitive against Burrow. I think that will do more for the confidence of the players and coaches. I also want mayo to get his first win!

IF it's Biscuit like he said that First win is going to be a long time coming.

 

[signbabybrady]

8 of the top 10 QBs right now have played significant amount of games in their rookie year.

If it was as simple as sit your QB a year and he will be good everybody would do it. But it’s not because the teams realized right fully that Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady are outliers.

The decision to not start Maye has been driven by fear and that a sign that Mayo isn’t HC material. Like Lynn decided that Tyrod Taylor was a better choice than Herbert or McDermott choosing Petterman over Allen.

Brady certainly needed the year.

One could argue a little more playing time could have better prepared Mahomes for his first matchups vs Brady.

And Rodgers definitely didn't need to sit as long as he did.

Love sat out several years too but I think I learned more in his first few games then he did sitting.

As plenty have said and I agree there is not one correct right way or wrong way to do things everyone is different.

The one thing I do tend to agree with is that if you are special enough to win a SB then you were probably going to succeed regardless of which approach was used.

 

[Rob0729]

8 of the top 10 QBs right now have played significant amount of games in their rookie year.

If it was as simple as sit your QB a year and he will be good everybody would do it. But it’s not because the teams realized right fully that Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady are outliers.

The decision to not start Maye has been driven by fear and that a sign that Mayo isn’t HC material. Like Lynn decided that Tyrod Taylor was a better choice than Herbert or McDermott choosing Petterman over Allen.

How many of those eight QBs were as raw as Maye when they came into the league? Josh Allen and who else? Most of the top eight receivers came into the league far closer to finished products than Maye. And many people thought Allen was going to be a major bust his first two years in the league.

The decision not to start Maye right away has everything to do with Maye. When the Pats drafted Maye, they did it with the knowledge that Maye came from an undisciplined system where was never taught a lot of the fundamentals. He never learned proper footwork and throwing motion. He never took a single snap in his college career under center. He played his entire career in shotgun. The guy has the raw talent to be Josh Allen. But if you judged him purely on fundamentals, he would be ranked as an undrafted free agent.