Maye must play

[PATSNUTme]

Let's just ruin another 1st round QB behind a questionable, at best, OL. Follow the Jets playbook for the past 20 year
The only place Lowe should be starting is Lowe's.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I really believe so. Mayo's already confirmed maye will getting first team reps the rest of the way. I can bet wolf was on board. Maye is the key here. He can elevate this team.. let him make all his mistakes ect. Let's say he goes for 24- 10 , 4,000 yards. He will attract FAs. He will be the face of the organization.

It's not just making and correcting mistakes. It's bad habits and loss of confidence as well. I'm skeptical that Maye can solve the mental part of the game in < 2 months, at age 21 and from a weak college program, especially given the hellfire that our current OL will put him in. Young QB's on bad teams get ruined in year 1, never achieving competency. Others like Trevor Lawrence might be better today if they'd sat a little while before being thrown to the wolves.

I agree that Brissette's and Maye's performances were eye-opening the other night and we actually do have a competition, but it has to be really clear-cut for Maye to start in week 1. We all want to see him, but maybe let's see if the OL can hold water first, in a real game. Plus I think Jacoby will rebound from the Eagles game and be sharper going forward.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

What I see in maye.. is the opposite of what I saw in Mac. A guy who the moment isn't to big for him.. he has a aura of confidence.. he steps up away from pressure, he uses his ability when plays break down. I don't think the media reports from camp did any justice. Maye should have had first team reps from the beginning.. but I firmly believe mayo was trying to challenge Drake to earn them. Maye like all QBs will learn more and more as the season goes on. Maye is the future of the franchise.. he will be the attraction for guys to come here to play.

What was really surprising was how fluid he moves within the pocket. Seems really at ease doing it.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you ever get tired of typing the same thing over and over again? Thats your POV, which is fine to have, but there is another side to that backed up by historical evidence. You bring nothing to the discussion by just saying your opinion with no sources, no examples, just nothing but you saying it, like thats all it will take to change peoples mind.

I dont have the gotcha quote i was looking for as i am going to once again just try to get you to acknowledge you dont know what you say is 100% undisputable fact. Tom Brady was on the Herd May 27th, would you agree he is a pretty good source on the value of sitting rookie year? Its a 20 min interview that goes around a bunch of topics but the jist was its not about the rookie QBs its about the people around them. He mentioned belichick, weis, bledsoe and how much he learned from them. How much he underestimated the prep time necessary to win in the NFL. How much the mental reps helped him to be ready when his turn came up for real. That the best thing that could have happened to Jordan Love was being able to watch Aaron Rodgers.

Point is there IS value to sitting and learning ANY job but one as complicated and high preasure as starting NFL QB? You'll forgive me if i roll my eyes every time i see you sprouting your opinion as fact for the 500th time as personally i much prefer giving Maye the time and opportunity to reach his HOF top 20 QB of all time potential.

When people keep commenting on my opinion, I respond.

There is not another side “backed up by historical evidence”. So now that you’ve made a misstatement I am compelled to post again.

There is a lot of evidence that a qb is better prepared by year 2 than in year 1.
That DOES NOT mean the value comes from sitting.
Maye will be a better QB next year than this year whether he plays or not because he will learn and progress.
But everything that he would gain while sitting he will also gain while playing plus he will gain the experience of playing and speed up his development that much faster.
Clearly from your post you either dint understand my position or hilariously you actually think not playing football prepares you to play football better than playing football.

 

[aluminum seats]

Brady and Mahomes sat a year. Not sure how that worked out though.

 

[pazrul72]

When people keep commenting on my opinion, I respond.

There is not another side “backed up by historical evidence”. So now that you’ve made a misstatement I am compelled to post again.

There is a lot of evidence that a qb is better prepared by year 2 than in year 1.
That DOES NOT mean the value comes from sitting.
Maye will be a better QB next year than this year whether he plays or not because he will learn and progress.
But everything that he would gain while sitting he will also gain while playing plus he will gain the experience of playing and speed up his development that much faster.
Clearly from your post you either dint understand my position or hilariously you actually think not playing football prepares you to play football better than playing football.

We’Ve gone back and forth on this 50 times Andy, starting with Mac and Cam 4 years ago, so unlike you I’m not going to post my verbatim argument that you will dismiss or ignore again. When 18 of the top 20 QBs of all time sat all or most of their rookie year that’s not causation equaling correlation and it’s not no evidence. If it was 10 or 12 maybe, but that is an overwhelming majority. There is also a huge amount of QBs that got rushed onto the field and developed bad habits they couldn’t shake cuz muscle memory is a b@#&$.

When I was searching for the Brady quote I didn’t remember the exact phrasing of I came across an interesting one from Nagy talking about the leaps and bounds in practice they saw from Mahomes and how crucial that year was to his development. There are things you can learn in the controlled environment of practice you can’t learn when the bullets are flying for real. It gives you a chance to slow down and do the rep right, or do it again when you make a mistake. I would rather Maye throw 50 INTs to the jones, figuring out NFL speed, than 20 during games.

I understand your position just fine, it’s wrong and I disagree with it, but it’s not difficult to comprehend. The difference is I don’t spam my opinion every chance I get, nor do I dismiss it as being 100% inaccurate. The truth is I am just a dude on the internet who has a full time job and a family so the amount of time I spend studying this is insignificant compared to the paid professionals. It’s hilarious that you consider your opinion as more relevant than Tom freakin Brady’s opinion. See I give important info to back my posts, take notes cuz after this I am done with your condescending broken record ass. The last word is yours

 

[Real fan 02]

It's not just making and correcting mistakes. It's bad habits and loss of confidence as well. I'm skeptical that Maye can solve the mental part of the game in < 2 months, at age 21 and from a weak college program, especially given the hellfire that our current OL will put him in. Young QB's on bad teams get ruined in year 1, never achieving competency. Others like Trevor Lawrence might be better today if they'd sat a little while before being thrown to the wolves.

I agree that Brissette's and Maye's performances were eye-opening the other night and we actually do have a competition, but it has to be really clear-cut for Maye to start in week 1. We all want to see him, but maybe let's see if the OL can hold water first, in a real game. Plus I think Jacoby will rebound from the Eagles game and be sharper going forward.

Player's say playing is the only way they can get better. I've seen all over the NFL. Especially the QB position. I agree that the game is as much mental as it is physical. We just really don't Know for sure until the player actually showcases is on the field. I agree the timing, the line all that is a factor. Jacoby is pro ready like mayo said. What I believe is the team knows maye is more talented QB and is the future will be the face of the organization going forward.

 

[Zuma]

I agree with what you wrote, and at the same time disagree with what is not written.

 

[Ring 6]

We’Ve gone back and forth on this 50 times Andy, starting with Mac and Cam 4 years ago, so unlike you I’m not going to post my verbatim argument that you will dismiss or ignore again. When 18 of the top 20 QBs of all time sat all or most of their rookie year that’s not causation equaling correlation and it’s not no evidence. If it was 10 or 12 maybe, but that is an overwhelming majority. There is also a huge amount of QBs that got rushed onto the field and developed bad habits they couldn’t shake cuz muscle memory is a b@#&$.

When I was searching for the Brady quote I didn’t remember the exact phrasing of I came across an interesting one from Nagy talking about the leaps and bounds in practice they saw from Mahomes and how crucial that year was to his development. There are things you can learn in the controlled environment of practice you can’t learn when the bullets are flying for real. It gives you a chance to slow down and do the rep right, or do it again when you make a mistake. I would rather Maye throw 50 INTs to the jones, figuring out NFL speed, than 20 during games.

I understand your position just fine, it’s wrong and I disagree with it, but it’s not difficult to comprehend. The difference is I don’t spam my opinion every chance I get, nor do I dismiss it as being 100% inaccurate. The truth is I am just a dude on the internet who has a full time job and a family so the amount of time I spend studying this is insignificant compared to the paid professionals. It’s hilarious that you consider your opinion as more relevant than Tom freakin Brady’s opinion. See I give important info to back my posts, take notes cuz after this I am done with your condescending broken record ass. The last word is yours

You can keep repeating yourself as many times as you like.Your argument does not sway my opinion in the least
Correlation is when 2 things happen together. Causation is when one thing happens BECAUSE OF THE OTHER.

Tom Brady is the GOAT and he didn’t play as a rookie (correlation). Tom Brady isn’t the GOAT BECAUSE he didn’t play as a rookie (causation) If Brady played as a rookie he still would have been the GOAT, in fact his career arc would have been sped up.
What you seem to not understand is that everything you can do while sitting can also be fine while playing, and you get the added development of playing.

What there is both correlation and causation to is that a QB improved through their first year whether they play or not. That’s what your quote represents. They don’t however represent that not playing is the reason.



The correlation is that most QBs sit all or part of their rookie year, so must good ones, and must bad ones sat all or part of their rookie year.
Causation requires a reason that one led to the other and there is no evidence, reason or logic that practicing and not playing develops a football player better than practicing and playing.


Tom Brady does not disagree with me and I’m sure he would say any okaying he did in his rookie year would have benefited him.

Look, you don’t have to read my posts. You don’t have to respond to my posts. You certainly don’t have to criticize me responding back to posters who comment on my posts.

I’m not sure why you would find me believing that you get better at football by playing football condescending, nor how you think misunderstanding correlation and causation allows you to take some moral high ground, but honestly you sound like a little whiny *****. We disagree, I’m not sure why that has to become some kind of windmill for you to tilt at.
You’ve given your opinion, I disagree. I have moved zero off of my belief after each time you gave it.
I do not care in the least whether you agree with me or not.

How about we have more posts about football and less posts about posters. I am sorry if you feel intimidated by me. The ignore feature maybe your best route.

 

[Ring 6]

Player's say playing is the only way they can get better. I've seen all over the NFL. Especially the QB position. I agree that the game is as much mental as it is physical. We just really don't Know for sure until the player actually showcases is on the field. I agree the timing, the line all that is a factor. Jacoby is pro ready like mayo said. What I believe is the team knows maye is more talented QB and is the future will be the face of the organization going forward.

What people seem to not comprehend is this.

If you play him today he will not be as good as if you wait until he has more practice.
But if you play him today he will be better after having that more practice than he would have been if he wasn’t also playing.
If playing early and struggling while learning “ruins” him, he was never going to make it any way.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady and Mahomes sat a year. Not sure how that worked out though.

Are you implying they are only good because they sat? They are good because of who they are. If they played week 1 they would have become exactly the same players, their learning curve just would have been shorter.

 

[lancerman]

Are you implying they are only good because they sat? They are good because of who they are. If they played week 1 they would have become exactly the same players, their learning curve just would have been shorter.

Both literally credit them sitting as helping them develop. Idk why this is that controversial lol. Brady was not NFL ready when he came into the league. If he started on that 2001 team, he would have struggled and the fanbase would have demanded Bledsoe and Brady might even be cut the following year and never get a chance in the league after that.

 

[Ring 6]

Both literally credit them sitting as helping them develop. Idk why this is that controversial lol. Brady was not NFL ready when he came into the league. If he started on that 2001 team, he would have struggled and the fanbase would have demanded Bledsoe and Brady might even be cut the following year and never get a chance in the league after that.

Wrong Brady credited what he learned. He would have learned that anyway.

And he shouldn’t have played because the team felt it could compete and still felt Bledsoe was the future.
But that doesn’t change the fact the Brady would have been better in sept of 2001 if he had a year of experience playing.

Funny that you think Brady would have sucked and his career isn’t his, it’s owned by the decision to sit him. People will make the strangest reaches to support their opinions.

 

[aluminum seats]

They are good because of who they are. If they played week 1 they would have become exactly the same players

OK, then so Maye will be good because of who he is and he will become exactly the same player, right?

 

[Ring 6]

OK, then so Maye will be good because of who he is and he will become exactly the same player, right?

Yes, and this year should be used to accelerate his development.

 

[aluminum seats]

Yes, and this year should be used to accelerate his development.

Ok. Fair enough, but I think there’s a more than zero chance playing behind this freak show line will actually hamper his development, not accelerate it.

 

[lancerman]

Wrong Brady credited what he learned. He would have learned that anyway.

Based on.....

 

[dliverey44]

Why the hell would he do that? Are we talking a few to add some wrinkles or was Zo insinuating that its because Maye isn’t picking up the Pats offense?

AVP said early on that he adjusts to players strengths, so those plays are in the Pats playbook I would suspect.

 

[Ring 6]

Based on.....

Because everything he did in 2000 he would have also done (and actually more of it) in addition to also getting on the field experience and learning want uou can’t learn from the sidelines.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok. Fair enough, but I think there’s a more than zero chance playing behind this freak show line will actually hamper his development, not accelerate it.

How? He wouldn’t be dealing with anything ever qb doesn’t have to deal with. Whether you get pressure all day or just sometimes, you have to learn to deal with it. Learning in live game day situations will never hamper your development.
Every QB has crappy blocking in some plays, part of the job is dealing with it.
There are just more teaching moments