Man in the Arena Discussion

[TheRainMaker]

Or they’d say he’s objectively the greatest because of his resume and accomplishments, but then they’d project theoretical scenarios where Manning played with Belichick or Brady was drafted by the Lions. There was a divide between Greatest and Best. Kind of like Gonzalez/Gronkowski a few years ago.

Fun fact, Gonzalez said recently on the Fox morning show that Tom tried to get him out of retirement to play in NE. I can’t remember the reason he declined the offer. He also mentioned he’d have better stats had better QB’s like Brady throwing him the ball. I believe him as he was a beast and a game changer at TE.

 

[amfootball]

He was already the GOAT.

He won somewhere else.

Great.

That's fine. You don't think it's a big deal what he did last year. You are in the extreme minority. So we can just leave it at that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's fine. You don't think it's a big deal what he did last year. You are in the extreme minority. So we can just leave it at that.

...and you watch too much ESPN and listen to Felger so we can just leave it at that.

 

[amfootball]

...and you watch too much ESPN and listen to Felger so we can just leave it at that.

I don't do either but whatever floats your boat.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't do either but whatever floats your boat.

So where did the narrative come from?

You said it earlier.

 

[amfootball]

So where did the narrative come from?

I already told you where the narrative comes from. It is a combination of those closest to the game of football from former players, to current players, to coaches and executives, and Hall of Fame players.

It also comes from the professional sports world in general especially those associated with team sports. The media is just one small segment and many of them are made up of former players and former executives and analysts and those closest to the game with a great sense of history and understanding. Sure there are some tools that aren't worth the time at all to listen to or to read but my point is the vast majority of influencers in the football world looked at what Brady did last year as a separator of his career accomplishments precisely because he won away from New England in year one having one of the greatest statistical seasons of his career and winning another super bowl MVP at age 43.

 

[venecol]

Sport absolutely. Maybe a little in the industry. Society? Not really.

I think you're underestimating how popular Tom Brady is in the World. Since soccer, tennis, golf, basketball, and even cricket are played across the globe; most of the top 10 to 20 athletes are in those sports. It's pretty amazing that Tom is in the top 20 world athletes given that American football is basically only played in the States. I'm sure it didn't hurt his popularity being married to a Brazilian super model. Anyone that's top 20 at anything in a World of 7+ billion has had an impact on culture and society.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think you're underestimating how popular Tom Brady is in the World. Since soccer, tennis, golf, basketball, and even cricket are played across the globe; most of the top 10 to 20 athletes are in those sports. It's pretty amazing that Tom is in the top 20 world athletes given that American football is basically only played in the States. I'm sure it didn't hurt his popularity being married to a Brazilian super model. Anyone that's top 20 at anything in a World of 7+ billion has had an impact on culture and society.

Popularity does not mean Brady is impactful on an industrial or societal level.

 

[Foxypats]

This series has been enjoyable so far though I did miss the last one. A lot of great memories and great to hear all the players perspective on the season leading up to the SB. The next one will probably be brutal as well as it is the second SB loss to the Giants. Still looking forward to watching it, it will probably in part have Gronk in it !

 

[RobertWeathers]

I already told you where the narrative comes from. It is a combination of those closest to the game of football from former players, to current players, to coaches and executives, and Hall of Fame players.

It also comes from the professional sports world in general especially those associated with team sports. The media is just one small segment and many of them are made up of former players and former executives and analysts and those closest to the game with a great sense of history and understanding. Sure there are some tools that aren't worth the time at all to listen to or to read but my point is the vast majority of influencers in the football world looked at what Brady did last year as a separator of his career accomplishments precisely because he won away from New England in year one having one of the greatest statistical seasons of his career and winning another super bowl MVP at age 43.

Have a good night.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Popularity does not mean Brady is impactful on an industrial or societal level.

Brady has about 10 M IG followers (not a whole lot more than he had when he left NEP). On the other hand, David Beckham has about 70 M followers and Neymar about 166 M. I wouldn't put Brady in the same category as those guys in terms of their world celebrity status.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I already told you where the narrative comes from. It is a combination of those closest to the game of football from former players, to current players, to coaches and executives, and Hall of Fame players.

It also comes from the professional sports world in general especially those associated with team sports. The media is just one small segment and many of them are made up of former players and former executives and analysts and those closest to the game with a great sense of history and understanding. Sure there are some tools that aren't worth the time at all to listen to or to read but my point is the vast majority of influencers in the football world looked at what Brady did last year as a separator of his career accomplishments precisely because he won away from New England in year one having one of the greatest statistical seasons of his career and winning another super bowl MVP at age 43.

How about naming a couple of names of players, coaches, etc. (and providing proof) who said that Brady's Tampa super bowl changed this so-called narrative? Personally, I think it's in your head because of your hyper-sensitivity to anything Brady.

 

[amfootball]

Have a good night.

You too. I hope you know that even when we disagree which isn't too often, you are still one of my favorite posters up here.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You too. I hope you know that even when we disagree which isn't too often, you are still one of my favorite posters up here.

All good. We just see the circumstances very differently.

 

[JayNM]

I think you're underestimating how popular Tom Brady is in the World. Since soccer, tennis, golf, basketball, and even cricket are played across the globe; most of the top 10 to 20 athletes are in those sports. It's pretty amazing that Tom is in the top 20 world athletes given that American football is basically only played in the States. I'm sure it didn't hurt his popularity being married to a Brazilian super model. Anyone that's top 20 at anything in a World of 7+ billion has had an impact on culture and society.

He is in top 20... bc of his impact in the US

Look, Brazil is a top 5 market for the NFL and he IS the most popular Football player, by far, and yet he still is "Giselle's husband"

Football isnt popular outside America (yet) to reach mainstream.

 

[Ring 6]

I already told you where the narrative comes from. It is a combination of those closest to the game of football from former players, to current players, to coaches and executives, and Hall of Fame players.

It also comes from the professional sports world in general especially those associated with team sports. The media is just one small segment and many of them are made up of former players and former executives and analysts and those closest to the game with a great sense of history and understanding. Sure there are some tools that aren't worth the time at all to listen to or to read but my point is the vast majority of influencers in the football world looked at what Brady did last year as a separator of his career accomplishments precisely because he won away from New England in year one having one of the greatest statistical seasons of his career and winning another super bowl MVP at age 43.

“those closest to the game of football from former players, to current players, to coaches and executives, and Hall of Fame players” did not change their mind on Brady be cause their mind was made up. There was no doubt left, there was nothing to prove.

 

[venecol]

He is in top 20... bc of his impact in the US

Look, Brazil is a top 5 market for the NFL and he IS the most popular Football player, by far, and yet he still is "Giselle's husband"

Football isnt popular outside America (yet) to reach mainstream.

Sure, but to have an American football player in the top 20 is amazing in and of itself. Hell, you could easily have 20 soccer players in the top 20. I haven't looked at a list lately (there's many), but from what I recall there's several soccer players in the top 10 along with tennis, golf and basketball. LeBron is definitely in there since basketball is played across the planet because it's an Olympic sport. The SB is watched around the world and Tommy's been in 9 of them in 20 years. The point being, he's recognized around the globe despite football not being popular worldwide.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The SB is watched around the world and Tommy's been in 9 of them in 20 years.

Try 10

 

[Bella*chick]

Try 10

That is so freakin’ insane. He’s been in half the super bowls in the last twenty years.

 

[amfootball]

In terms of Brady's cultural relevance, I think some people may be short-changing his rise to the goat from a sixth round pick. He might be the most inspirational great player to have ever played a team sport because no one has his story. And this transcends outside of Athletics into all walks of life for people looking for inspiration and looking to him and his journey to greatness.