Mac was playing hurt or he hit rookie wall

[Nikolai]

SA Smith?

I'd rather get analysis from some drunk guy still passed out in a ditch.

 

[Nikolai]

Well, I'll say it with my words: If you have the GOAT QB you live and die with the GOAT. If you dont, thats an unforgivable sin.

I would add that the second unforgivable sin is on RK: if you have to choose between the GOAT QB and the (maybe) GOAT coach, it should be a no brainer.

Strong Analysis and In Depth TB12 Things Here

 

[NFL Mystique]

What's puzzling is how the team has collapsed down the stretch for three straight years.

That's so unlike a Belichick coached team.

Every SB the team won they got better near the end of the season.

 

[0818NePa]

Brady leaving was best for the patriots.
Did you watch the second half of 2019. Brady’s numbers were horrible. He was 43.
There was no cap room to improve the team with and 2020 would have been worse than 2019.
Then there would have been 50 million less to rebuild with in 2021 so not much improvement there and you are rebuilding with a 45 year old QB with a 25 mill cap hit.
Brady’s says we’re ending. Him walking away ( his choice) was better in the long run for this franchise than keeping him and delaying the rebuild 3-4 more years while winning nothing.

The world did not started in 2019. BB was planning to move on from TB the night he drafted Garoppolo. It was spring 2014.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Brady leaving was best for the patriots.
Did you watch the second half of 2019. Brady’s numbers were horrible. He was 43.
There was no cap room to improve the team with and 2020 would have been worse than 2019.
Then there would have been 50 million less to rebuild with in 2021 so not much improvement there and you are rebuilding with a 45 year old QB with a 25 mill cap hit.
Brady’s says we’re ending. Him walking away ( his choice) was better in the long run for this franchise than keeping him and delaying the rebuild 3-4 more years while winning nothing.

I think it worked out for everyone.

Brady got #7. All the while turning a sad sack franchise into an elite level one. The Bucs now sellout every game and have a waitlist for tickets.

The Patriots took their lumps in 2020 and improved this year. They have a serviceable QB at minimum on a rookie deal. More cap space.

When Brady retires, you've gotta think Kraft will make plans for #12 to be retired at Gillette. Possibly a statue too.

Brady will always be remembered as a Patriots.

 

[RIpats88]

All I know it's he needs a true #1 type guy. People really about burrows success this year but he also just got chase who is outstanding.

Yesterday Titans had 2 guys on chase leaving everyone else one on one. That's what having a #1 does. Makes everyone else better

 

[0818NePa]

What's puzzling is how the team has collapsed down the stretch for three straight years.

That's so unlike a Belichick coached team.

Every SB the team won they got better near the end of the season.

I would answer quoting this one below:

The 1991 Browns were 6-7 and in the playoff hunt but lost their final three games.

The 1992 Browns were 7-6 and were in playoff track but lost their final three games.

The 1993 Browns were 6-6 and in the playoff hunt but lost three of their last four games.

The 1995 Browns, coming off that playoff season, were 4-4 before collapsing with a 1-7 finish, which most people write off to the team‘s imminent relocation.

The myth that Belichick teams always get get better late in the season is rooted in two things: Tom Brady (weird, huh…the Bucs are 12-1 after Thanksgiving), and the cake schedule to end the 2008 season, where the last four games were against teams that were a combined 25-39, with three of those games at home (and yes, I’m aware the Cardinals went on a Cinderella run to make the SB.)

I’m not crapping on Belichick, though I’ve learned you can’t state facts here because there are too many crybabies. What I like to do is point out that many of the perceived advantages aren’t actually there and are simply confirmation bias. With Brady, Belichick won at a .750 clip. So many of the winning trends are explained by regular dominance and expected winning pct rather than by some other 5D chess factors. This includes:

• Belichick teams have a built-in advantage after a bye week.
• Belichick teams don’t get blown out because they’re so well prepared.
• Belichick does better than expected against rookie QBs.

Again, when you combine a .750 win pct with these other factors, the results make sense. For example, winning at .750 against all teams, means you’ll be winning at a really, really high rate against rookie QBs who have a conglomerate winning pct. of .350 to .400. The teams don’t get blown out much because they’re dominant. They win a lot after the bye week because they flat out win a lot.

Without Brady, you can see that when Bill has had non-elite teams, all of these splits tend to be right on the bell curve.

 

[NFL Mystique]

The world did not started in 2019. BB was planning to move on from TB the night he drafted Garoppolo. It was spring 2014.

Wasn't Brady’s stats declining every year up until 2014? There was talk of that. And after the KC debacle, people in the media were wondering if Brady would be benched etc. Then in NE...

3 SB wins in 6 years.
4 SB trips
2 SB MVP's for Brady
1 NFL MVP for Brady
28-3
4th quarter of SB 49
Jacksonville comeback
3rd down conversions in OT to beat KC

Drafting Jimmy may have lit a fire under Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

The world did not started in 2019. BB was planning to move on from TB the night he drafted Garoppolo. It was spring 2014.

If that was the case he would have gotten rid of Brady before Jimmy g contract ran out.
Of course when his GOAT QB was 38 years old he was making contingency plans. Duh.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I would answer quoting this one below:

Good analysis.

I'd say Belichick teams did always get better as the season wore on. But we can't discount the fact #12 was his QB.

Without Brady, I still think Bill is a very good coach. Still top five.

Undisputed best coach? Not anymore. But that's expected. Many great coaches have great QB's.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wasn't Brady’s stats declining every year up until 2014? There was talk of that. And after the KC debacle, people in the media were wondering if Brady would be benched etc. Then....

3 SB wins in 6 years.
4 SB trips
2 SB MVP's for Brady
1 SB MVP for Brady
28-3
4th quarter of SB 49
Jacksonville comeback
3rd down conversions in OT to beat KC

Drafting Jimmy may have lit a fire under Brady.

No.

2012 he was magnificant.

Tom had a drop-off in 2013 because Gronk got hurt again, Amendola was playing with a torn groin, Dobson (who was doing pretty well) got hurt and from the prior year AH, Welker, Brandon Lloyd and Danny Woodhead were no longer on the team.

 

[Ring 6]

I think it worked out for everyone.

Brady got #7. All the while turning a sad sack franchise into an elite level one. The Bucs now sellout every game and have a waitlist for tickets.

The Patriots took their lumps in 2020 and improved this year. They have a serviceable QB at minimum on a rookie deal. More cap space.

When Brady retires, you've gotta think Kraft will make plans for #12 to be retired at Gillette. Possibly a statue too.

Brady will always be remembered as a Patriots.

Except for people who like to spend their time on football boards crying about why they don’t have the greatest team ever each season that they are entitled to by being a fan.

 

[NFL Mystique]

All I know it's he needs a true #1 type guy. People really about burrows success this year but he also just got chase who is outstanding.

Yesterday Titans had 2 guys on chase leaving everyone else one on one. That's what having a #1 does. Makes everyone else better

Agreed.

Would the Patriots pay up for Adams?

He's obviously the best receiver in football.

Having him means guys like Meyers and Harry get open more. Assuming Harry returns.

 

[NFL Mystique]

No.

2012 he was magnificant.

Tom had a drop-off in 2013 because Gronk got hurt again, Amendola was playing with a torn groin, Dobson (who was doing pretty well) got hurt and from the prior year AH, Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Danny Woodhead were no longer on the team.

Yeah by the time they faced Denver that year they were decimated by injuries.

But the media was going crazy that Brady hit a wall after that KC game in 2014. Even before that, analysts weren't impressed with how he played in wins against Oakland and Minnesota I believe?

In hindsight, the idea of Jimmy starting over Brady seems ludicrous.

At the time it wasn't so crazy of a thought. He was 37 and the Patriots were considering the future.

 

[zipster9]

2nd yr he needs to improve on his strength training and mechanics.
Needs to work with Tom House or Tony Romo (he helped Josh Allen).

 

[signbabybrady]

The world did not started in 2019. BB was planning to move on from TB the night he drafted Garoppolo. It was spring 2014.

Bill has to prepare for what is inevitable. Who could predict Brady would last this long. Yes he is still playing at elite level but sometimes players go out on top too. BBs bigger mistake was being more successful with Jimmy than Stidham otherwise the timing could have been smoother. He got Mac one short year later so little harm little foul. I think it really stinks that TB couldn't except the fact that Bill should have been allowed to consider what would happen to his team post TB and maybe he wouldn't have walked off on us.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah by the time they faced Denver that year they were decimated by injuries.

But the media was going crazy that Brady hit a wall after that KC game in 2014. Even before that, analysts weren't impressed with how he played in wins against Oakland and Minnesota I believe?

In hindsight, the idea of Jimmy starting over Brady seems ludicrous.

At the time it wasn't so crazy of a thought. He was 37 and the Patriots were considering the future.

Yes.

When Gronk was in the lineup they averaged 32ppg in 2013.

2 things happened after that KC game.

1. They started throwing more to Gronk and LaFell
2. The finally settled on Solder/Connolly/Stork/Wendell/Vollmer as their o-line.

 

[borg]

What's puzzling is how the team has collapsed down the stretch for three straight years.

Not puzzling at all
The common denominator has been their fraudulent defense getting exposed down the stretch
-More than capable containing weak teams
-Incapable of stopping competent/complete offenses.
Over the course of these seasons, prevailing defensive weaknesses come to light, and down the stretch, opponents attack these considerable flaws with little resistance.
The 2019 Boogiemen prayed on weaklings and shriveled vs bullies
More recently....wash, rinse, repeat.

Fraud indicators flashed early this year when the defense couldn't make critical stops in close games.
Verification arrived once again in December
January left no doubt....FRAUDs

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The entire team played terribly and went 1-4 after the Bye to end the year.

Mediocre coaching staff around BB and also mediocre analytics dept post-Ernie.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Not puzzling at all
The common denominator has been their fraudulent defense getting exposed down the stretch
-More than capable containing weak teams
-Incapable of stopping competent/complete offenses.
Over the course of these seasons, prevailing defensive weaknesses come to light, and down the stretch, opponents attack these considerable flaws with little resistance.
The 2019 Boogiemen prayed on weaklings and shriveled vs bullies
More recently....wash, rinse, repeat.

Fraud indicators flashed early this year when the defense couldn't make critical stops in close games.
Verification arrived once again in December
January left no doubt....FRAUDs

Looks like the D needs an overhaul.