Mac Jones' Last Five Games - 2022 vs 2021

[RodThePat]

Sorry, Brady was in his third season with Weis. So he’d been working with the same guy in the same offense and competent coordinator for three years.

There are a lot of ways to defend Mac Jones, comparing him to Tom Brady will always be a losing proposition. Don't know why you'd want to go there.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If you are in week 15 or 16 of the season and two of your receivers are still consistently running the wrong routes and they don’t have a history of running wrong routes, that is as much on the coaching staff as the players.

Smith sucked last year, but I never heard any complaints about him running the wrong routes. And Bourne certainly didn’t have that problem either. Everyone said they simplified the offense this year for the receivers because McDaniels’ offense was too complicated for a lot of receivers. And neither had problems with route running with their previous teams.

Again, whether it is play design or receivers just do not know what routes to run, that is still an indictment of Patricia and the offensive coaching staff. It just shows their incompetence goes beyond play calling.

We are very lucky that Matt Patricia is the root of all problems on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[BTTA]

Brady led the NFL in passing TDs his second season as a starter. Mac is 28th in year two. Tied with the second most washed up QB in the league (Wentz). And below Jacoby Brissett.

You moved the goal posts - "as a starter." Brady had a red shirt year because he couldn't beat out the incumbent. Jones hasn't had that advantage.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I know, but I would have to see what Matt Waldman said about his processing after the snap before I respond.

We agreed on some things - decision making, arm talent is plus besides velocity and disagreed on others - release point, overall mechanics, dealing with sudden pressure.

Matt's great but I hardly need help forming an opinion. Plus his real guide doesn't come out until draft time and post draft for fantasy stuff. My thoughts are known well before the draft, like they were on Jones. Btw this is where Matt had Jones for decision making.

LOL! The guy who praised Evan Lazar and Dan Orlovsky for saying Mac Jones sucks when they said the opposite telling me to bow out. Too funny.

But hey at least you admitted that you think Jones is a good QB.

And you are twisting my words. Glad to see that you don’t just twist experts you love words to fit your agenda. I have said everyone on both sides have been over the top at times and then I joke that I did it more than times. But I was including Mac haters like you.

If you don’t think your obvious biases affect your objectivity, you might want to look how you are using BS stats to try to make Matt Patricia a middle of the pack OC when everyone knows he sucks and he will be coaching his last regular season game as OC on Sunday. Just to try to make Mac Jones look worse. Sorry if I have self awareness that you lack.

You're sounding like DKF, lying making stuff up. I had a 2nd on Jones and think he's been an average QB so far. Hardly a "hater." Pretty low for a message board. I have plenty of post on Mac and I bet you couldn't find one that's unfair. Conversely you've already admitted to being over the top so I'm not sure you're qualified to be calling posters "haters"
Your opinion is biased though and your feelings are a puddle.

Also you're the guy that thought Patricia was as qualified as Josh just months ago. Then proceed to rage posting, bashing and blaming Patricia all year for everything. I doubt anyone takes you seriously besides the Mac fathead on your wall.

Again though I have plenty of thoughts and post on Jones out there. No need to drop to DKF levels and start lying.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

There are a lot of ways to defend Mac Jones, comparing him to Tom Brady will always be a losing proposition. Don't know why you'd want to go there.

Agreed but I am not sure why @Ian is discussing TB12 in the "Mac Jones Last 5 Games" thread. The owner of this site created a TB12 sub forum. Hopefully @ashley will move Ian's post to the TB12 forum.

 

[Ian]

Agreed but I am not sure why @Ian is discussing TB12 in the "Mac Jones Last 5 Games" thread. The owner of this site created a TB12 sub forum. Hopefully @ashley will move Ian's post to the TB12 forum.

No, obviously my posts were related to Brady's production in his second season as a starter vs Mac's production in his sophomore year, as well as the differences in the circumstances between the two players. And I've said it before, I'm not saying Mac doesn't shoulder some of the blame, but he's not three years into a system that had a lot better coaching and stability coordinator-wise on the offensive side of the ball. Not a fair comparison.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No, obviously my posts were related to Brady's production in his second season as a starter vs Mac's production in his sophomore year, as well as the differences in the circumstances between the two players. And I've said it before, I'm not saying Mac doesn't shoulder some of the blame, but he's not three years into a system that had a lot better coaching and stability coordinator-wise on the offensive side of the ball. Not a fair comparison.

It was a joke. I couldn't care less about TB12 vs. Mac Jones.

 

[Ian]

It was a joke. I couldn't care less about TB12 vs. Mac Jones.

LOL, @crawhammer continues to pile on - and when I realized Brady was three-years in by 2002 (his second year as a starter) - that just annoyed me further.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

LOL, @crawhammer continues to pile on - and when I realized Brady was three-years in by 2002 (his second year as a starter) - that just annoyed me further.

Who cares about crawhammer's posts? I read 2 or 3 lines and think, "God this is awful, while am I reading it?" and skip to the next post.

 

[Ian]

Who cares about crawhammer's posts? I read 2 or 3 lines and think, "God this is awful, while am I reading it?" and skip to the next post.

He's OK. Loves his guy, just goes a little overboard. He's actually gotten a lot better, so I give him a lot of credit for putting in the effort. That's all I can ask for, so it's always great when people do that.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

We are very lucky that Matt Patricia is the root of all problems on the offensive side of the ball.

exactly, then we pnly have to get rid of patricia and our offense will be absolutely top tier next season

 

[Rob0729]

We are very lucky that Matt Patricia is the root of all problems on the offensive side of the ball.

He isn't the root of all the offensive problems on the offensive side of the ball, but he is clearly the biggest problem hands down. A lot of other people including Mac Jones and the rest of the players play a part in it. I have seen plenty of people who do not think Mac Jones is a good QB concede that Matt Patricia is awful and the biggest problem on the offense.

But if multiple players are consistently running wrong routes, that goes to coaching. That means players are not being taught the proper routes.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

But if multiple players are consistently running wrong routes, that goes to coaching. That means players are not being taught the proper routes.

Must be nice to never fo anything wrong. It's my teacher's fault.

 

[Rob0729]

We agreed on some things - decision making, arm talent is plus besides velocity and disagreed on others - release point, overall mechanics, dealing with sudden pressure.

Matt's great but I hardly need help forming an opinion. Plus his real guide doesn't come out until draft time and post draft for fantasy stuff. My thoughts are known well before the draft, like they were on Jones. Btw this is where Matt had Jones for decision making.



You're sounding like DKF, lying making stuff up. I had a 2nd on Jones and think he's been an average QB so far. Hardly a "hater." Pretty low for a message board. I have plenty of post on Mac and I bet you couldn't find one that's unfair. Conversely you've already admitted to being over the top so I'm not sure you're qualified to be calling posters "haters"
Your opinion is biased though and your feelings are a puddle.

Also you're the guy that thought Patricia was as qualified as Josh just months ago. Then proceed to rage posting, bashing and blaming Patricia all year for everything. I doubt anyone takes you seriously besides the Mac fathead on your wall.

Again though I have plenty of thoughts and post on Jones out there. No need to drop to DKF levels and start lying.

Yes, I gave Belichick the benefit of the doubt and believed Patricia was qualified to be OC. Guess what? I was wrong. And I admitted it. Something you cannot do apparently.

And I don't really care what anyone else thinks of me. If you are looking to a message board for validation, I don't know what to say. If people agree with me, great. If they don't, so be it.

BTW, Waldman seems to have given Mac Jones the highest rank he gave for decision making for any rookie from the 2021 class. He has him on par with Trevor Lawrence and higher than Fields or Wilson in that aspect according to your chart.

 

[Rob0729]

Must be nice to never fo anything wrong. It's my teacher's fault.

Again, if MULTIPLE PLAYERS are CONSISTENTLY running the wrong routes, a lot of the blame goes to coaching. Neither Smith nor Bourne are rookies and if they had a history of running bad routes all the time, I doubt they would have gotten the money the Patriots paid them.

I don't get how that is remotely debatable.

Yes, the players share a lot of the responsibility too, but this is a symptom of bad coaching. Just like the undiscipline of the offense is also symptom of bad coaching.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't get how that is remotely debatable.

It was not expected that you would know how it is remotely debatable. Everything is on track.

 

[Rob0729]

It was not expected that you would know how it is remotely debatable. Everything is on track.

Yes, everything is on track for Matt Patricia and probably most of the offensive staff to be either fired or re-assigned to non-offense related positions.

 

[crawhammer]

Sorry, Brady was in his third season with Weis. So he’d been working with the same guy in the same offense and competent coordinator for three years.

Third season but second as the starter, which is what I referenced. Comparing Brady and Mac in their second year as starters.

 

[crawhammer]

Brady had Charlie Weis for the second-straight year, Mac had Patricia. Fair comparison.

Talk to Bill about it. I don't pick the coaches.

 

[Ian]

Third season but second as the starter, which is what I referenced. Comparing Brady and Mac in their second year as starters.

Talk to Bill about it. I don't pick the coaches.

Still the third year in the system with the same - and far more qualified - coordinator. Unfair comparison